Game 38, Padres at Mariners
DMZ · May 19, 2007 at 6:37 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
Greg Maddux, future Hall of Famer, versus Horacio Ramirez. While Maddux is certainly not the absolutely amazing pitcher he used to be, you have to wonder what he might do to carve up this SHOCKING MARINER LINEUP!!
CF-L Ichiro!
DH-B Turbo
RF-R Guillen
1B-L Broussard
3B-R Beltre
C-R Johjima
2B-R Lopez
SS-R Willie “The Ignitor” Bloomquist
LF-R Ellison
What did Hargrove say about lineup changes? That once you started making changes, it was a sign of desperation or something? I forget.
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Also, USSM Suggested Trade Acquisition Scott Baker made his first start of the year today – 8 1/3 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 0 BB, 5 K.
South Kitsap High Wolves anchoring the bottom of the order! Stay tuned for impromptu parades through downtown Port Orchard.
Endy Chavez is singlehandledly destroying the Yankees!
Yes, getting hits is the key to the game.
Which would have the higher VORP: Vidro the Stealmaker, or Mentos the Freshmaker?
David Wright helped a little…
Yeah, but Chavez took out Darrell Rasner.
So Hargrove decided to go with the South Kitsap Mariners lineup. Woot!
I see that now… they really need to put stuff like that in the box score.
Ibanez and Sexson with the WELL DESERVED day off…
Go M’s!!! beat those hated Padres! i can’t watch it but am anticipating King Felix in the rubber game tomorrow.
Brian Giles = Raul Ibanez a year and a half from now. Not pretty.
glad we finally have a line-up change, but wouldn’t it be wiser to have the back-ups in with your best starting pitcher and not your worst…
Er? The “Five Star Play of the Game!” in the first inning? A double-play? Shouldn’t we hope the guys will do something more spectacular? After all, Ellison’s in the field; he may catch a ball, unlike, say, Raul.
Or was that because Willie touched the ball? There was a certain warmth in the way Rizz said his name.
Hargrove figures they’ll lose anyway, so why not play the scrubs?
That being said, he’s finally beginning to put the better hitters closer to the head of the lineup. Good idea, potentially; we’ll see if it works.
Why does MLB Extra Innings leave this game off their schedule? Do they know what we know about the likely watchability?
11. Giles walks at a significantly higher rate than Ibanez though, so it’ll be even less pretty.
With HoRam on the mound, two runs is all we’ll need.
Jose the OptionVester!
bringing the funk to the old man’s junk…
FUNK BLAST BABY!
Glad to see our boys bring the bats out for a big rivalry game!
The pitching coach rushes to the mound: There must be something wrong! These are the Mariners ringing you like a bell!
DMZ/Dave: Are we close to a “Funk anything” ban?
shit…that was going through…
Doesn’t it seem like the Mariners have hit the pitcher with the ball an extraordinary amount of times this year?
This is the “screw it, I give up” lineup. Good to see it is paying early dividends though. Looks like Guillen’s vendetta might apply to all of California.
Funk Ban? I think NOT! As long as the mariners are using it, i think it should be legal here, until they stop using it at the safe!
Even Niehaus could tell that was a bad pitch to swing at!
the last swing was terrible, but the ump missed the previous…he should have been on first…
Greene could have been 3-for-3 with 3 career HRs off Ramirez … if it wasn’t for that meddling Safeco.
Green’s Gameday photo makes him look like a skateboard punk…oh, wait….
Now be nice … it was decent of Khalil’s parents to let him go out to play with the neighborhood kids after supper without having to do any chores first.
who the fuck is kouzmanoff?
He’s Geoff Blum, 10 years from now.
First guy to start the wave here gets shot.
But what if it’s the “Funk Wave”?
I don’t know a single person who thinks that the wave is cool, yet a bunch of people do it at every game I go to.
Ellison’s batting .500!!!! MVP!!! MVP!!!!!
It’s one thing when you’re at the game and there’s a wave going on, but it’s unsettling when you’re watching on TV or the radio and all you hear is this background sound that reminds me of moans of despair.
Which can be sadly appropriate, depending on the game….
Hey, Pablothegreat:
The wave gets the fans, in their mind, involved in the game. If the team can garner any money at all in exchange for their paying audience standing up in intervals, I’m all for it. “Cheap trick” is a cliché, but in this case it actually applies.
“I’m all for it”
really should’ve read:
“I’m sure the team’s all for it.”
Ichiro!
I’m doing the wave in my chair at home!
GIDP TIME!
awwww, yeah…
Singles!
Vichiro!
YAY! Vidro made me eat my words!
perfect time for a double steal.
Mike G.:
You should be more negative. The M’s thrive on that shit. Srsly!
Poor Maddux is wondering: “Where’s my Hall Of Famer™ Strike Zone?”
if the Ms thrived from the negativity on this site, they’d be undefeated…
guillen was thinking cycle…
I’m digging the new lineup.
51. Nice!
Carlos Garcia: you’re out of a job soon, buddy. Good thing Doyle’s not still on the team, or he’d be out of the league already this year…
They tricked me, I was sure Vidro would be out at the plate and instead, it’s Guillen at 3rd. Someone had to be out on that play, but at least a run scored.
Bloomquist is starting, and the Ms are winning against a HoF pitcher.
Coincidence?
I think not.
Bloomquist for DH!
You know … I’d be enjoying this a lot more if I wasn’t so aware that as this inning ends … Ho Ram will be pitching for us and so this leads seems rather …. tenuous?
There’s that high strike Maddux wants. Better known as “Ball four” when thrown by anybody with fewer than 200 wins.
Joe Bo’D:
You’re counting your chickens… There’s still 2/3 of the game to go.
Thom Jimsen, #59:
Any chance Ho-Ram’s ERA managed the league exchange as well as Maddux’s non-strike-zone “strike?”
well since willie hasn’t done shit yet, i’m not sure he’s the answer at DH…vidro looks good tonight…i’d like broussard personally…
I’ve never understood the anit-wave sentiment. It just seems like there are better things to complain about – like the team on the field.
58: Temporary is the word you’re thinking of.
I was really hoping the M’s would make a bid for Maddux last year, but I’m sure he wanted to stay in the NL anyway. Just think of the starting pitchers we could’ve had: Felix, Maddux, Moyer, Washburn, and whoever #5 would be.
Guillen and Vidro – doing their jobs.
HoRam too.
Rizzs’ little pedo-target Kristin didn’t get much of a chance to talk, did she? To end the inning — Rick: “thanks, Kristin.” Kristin: “mmmmnh.” Awesome radio!
Thank god, short inning, don’t have to listen to what I’m sure is a delightful child say “Um” to every question.
Ichiro’s always the kid in the booth’s favorite player. I liked this results-oriented kid, though.
Rizz: Why’s Ichiro your favorite Mariner?
Kid: Because he gets at least one hit a game.
If only someone in management had such standards!
A+ drian!
BELT HIGH!!!!!
Funk Beltre!
Sims:
“They’re almost swinging with contempt up there!”
O RLY!? Is that the nickname of a Louisville Slugger model?
“I was really hoping the M’s would make a bid for Maddux last year, but I’m sure he wanted to stay in the NL anyway.”
Yes, nights like tonight show him why.
Gritty fielder’s choice.
Man, Giles is old. I remember going to a B. Giles Band concert in 1981.
will someone bottle this up and give it to horacio on his next road start…
So, last year, folks were talking about a “Jamie only pitches at home” strategy, before he left. Clearly, that’s something that should be considered for Ho-Ram.
Once again, Ichiro steals out of pure fear.
Where’s Corco? Is he hiding under the bed, weeping over the overdue release of John Mabry?
Once again, Ichiro steals out of pure contempt.
Wow, chased Maddux after 3.2
It’s nice to see the Mariners get some production out of their first baseman.
Baseball’s scoring rules sometimes don’t make sense. If Ichiro “steals” that in the 8th, with the same score and no throw from the catcher it would be indifference.
76… so we’ll only lose 17-16?
I’m surprised, frankly, that Maddux was left in as long as he was. Usually you don’t let Hall of Famers get abused like that.
The consensus on this site is: I should be awarded the W for this game and not Ho-Ram. Correct?
You remember Nolan Ryan’s last game, don’t you? Someone posted about it lately on this site. That game was amazing.
When he destroyed his arm on that last, fateful hurl to Dann Howitt?
How is Broussard’s defense at 1B?
Headline: RAMIREZ KNOCKED OUT BY KOUZ MISSILES
How good is Ho-Ram at home? These soft lefties dominate (when Broussard is not in right field).
If someone had told me that the M’s game was 7-1 going in to the top of the fifth for a matchup between HoRam and Maddux, I would’ve come to a very different conclusion as to who those runs belonged to.
If you’re the Padres, how do you not send the runners down 7-1 on that play, Ichiro’s arm or not?
89. According to MLB.com Broussard has a .991 fielding percentage with the bulk of his games played from 2003-06 with Cleveland.
come on, grit out a hit here so you can keep up with your teammates… nope, GRIT DP
yeah, willie should NOT be the DH…
Blowers, it’s hard for Willie to keep that stroke going for he’s facing legitimate pitchers versus the ones in Spring Training.
Ignite the double play!
and since we have scored a bunch tonight, does this mean we score 0 tomorrow?
Is tomorrows pitcher a HOF’er…well, not Felix, the other guy…?
99- we just have to score one run tomorrow to win.
Khalil: 3-5, 3 HRs vs. Ho-Ram.
I could not stand to listen to the Padres announcers all season long.
san diego’s commentator, matt whatever, just said the funniest thing ever, “green owns ramirez. he has his car keys in his pocket and a picture of his wife in his wallet…” that’s rad…
With Davis getting up, I just realized someting.
I don’t miss Mateo.
Sorry Julio.
Did you see that Arizona reinstated its wife-abuser after just nine days?
Was trading Gregorio Rosario for Jason Davis another blunder on Bavasi’s part? Opinions?
i think the davis deal was good…and he’s money in the video game…lol…
I can’t find anything that says that Rosario was a serious prospect.
Dave’s a secret poster on USS Mariner. He’s afraid that a 7-3 lead isn’t enough.
109. The Tigers wouldn’t have traded John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander if they thought Smoltz would have turned out be so good. Only time will tell if this move was wise.
111: Of course only time will tell — few predictions are 100% accurate — but that doesn’t mean we can’t make reasonable guesses based on lots of information. You asked for an opinion; “only time will tell” applies to any opinion you could have received in response, so I’m wondering if there was an answer you’d prefer to the reasonable one Thom gave.
it doesn’t look so good right now…lol…
Im not into back-to-back walks, especially when the lead to a run. Good on Grover for keeoing a tight leash.
114- do you really miss ben davis?
Top 5 batters tonight: 10 for 17 (6 R, 6 RBIs) … what are the chances we see this lineup again? It’s actually fun to watch.
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yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“George Sherrill and the Mariners get out of a jam”. WooHoo!
Did any one hear what Blowers just said?
112. No, thank you for your opinion.
Is Blowers an official USSM supported announcer now that he said the ballgame can be won or lost in the 7th?
120. Repeat please.
see 122
God, I love these fielders. They’re the thing that keep me watching–although, thanks to the insanity of my local cable company, I’m not able to watch, since they believe I’d want an Anchorage station over the Seattle affiliate, since, you know, Anchorage is in Alaska. Like I want to watch the nightly rundown of their drive-by shootings and corrupt politicians doing a perp walk.
I see “The Yankee Clippard” is making his MLB debut tomorrow.
but the basic recap was: That sometimes the time to use your best releiver (JJ) is not always in the 9th inning.
Me like watching Cla Meredith pitch.
This 7th Inning contest is the stupidest thing ever. If the Mariners score seven runs in this inning, someone should win seven million dollars, not $7,000.
Does Beltre hit 30+ HR’s and have 100 RBI this season?
129. Hilarious!
Nah. I see Beltre with 24 HRs, maybe 86 RBIs. Not that that means a damn thing.
Cuba Libre and B-Money are in the game.
Boatlift and Bone Marrow?
Khalil must have had a huge bowl of oatmeal before the game.
Or two icecreams.
Nice to know there’s one position Broussard can sort of field.
That was a professional play from a first baseman. Sexy doesn’t make that play with the near interference from Joh, IMHO.
136. Greene likes to stick to a steady diet, consisting of oatmeal for breakfast, along with tuna, and egg whites, every day. (source: Wikipedia)
B-Money is cash!
Ha! No way he committed on that swing. But … thank you veddy much.
Anyone else notice Morrow hop over the foul line? I wonder how many players are still superstitious about stepping on the line?
Will the M’s farm system ever produce a better hitter than Edgar Martinez?
#143: Alex Rodriguez. David Arias.
Grit comment.
GRIT!
That was a beautiful bunt.
“Willie beats it out, his THIRD hot fo the season.” Yeah-um, congrats local boy. This isn’t reason to play him again tomorrow is it?
144. Thanks for the memories but Pay-rod and Big Papi had their greatest success with other teams. I’m thinking of a player who spends the bulk of his career with the M’s.
I liked Ellison with the Giants–no particular reason–and I’m glad to hear him trying to show he should get more playing time.
I wonder what Port Orchard’s ISO is at…
Kid Dy-no-mite will retire the Padres 1-2-3!
Ken Griffey Jr.?
153. Was just going to say that Mike.
153. I have erased “Mr. I want to go home to be with my family” from my love list. However, it was Griffey Jr. that made me an M’s fan.
144 – I’m not sue that ARod’s biggest success has been with other teams. In fact, I’m almost positive it wasn’t.
Smokey!
I still root like crazy for Griffey. I saw the D-backs home opener this year and they just happened to be playing the Reds. It was nice seeing Junior live again.
His years in Texas were pretty successful.
156. Check A-rod’s three seasons 2001-03 with the Rangers.
Yes, but don’t you have to park adjust the hell out of his Rangers stats?
His 00 season has to be the gold standard of his career once you consider park factors. This year could surpass it, but it’s still way early to conclude that.
Also, ARod was here much longer than he was in Texas, and had more team success.
It’s either Seattle or NYY for ARod – Texas isn’t even in the discussion IMO.
M’s win!
JJ always makes it a little exciting.
That was weird, the MLB.tv video went down and after a couple minutes it came back and was showing the Padres feed instead of the M’s.
Now we’ll probably hear that Mike Hargrove is a lineup constructing genius. Maybe he’ll get a three year contract extension before midnight.
Headline:
“CRUZ, KOUZ SHOW FEET OF CLA”
162. The M’s had a much more talented team than the ones Pay-rod played with in Texas. Especially pitching.
162, no kidding.
There’s still no way his three years in Texas outweigh his 6 years here.
I was thinking — if there was a pitcher who had a 10 year career cut short by injury, say, and his final stats were
168-103, 3.07 ERA, 1600 K, 485 BB, 6 post-seasons where he was just as effective, including three starts in two trips to the World Series, four All-Star trips, two Cy Youngs and high placements in other years — ten years, most of which where he was consistently one of the five best pitchers in baseball — would you vote for him for the Hall of Fame?
Even if you value longevity over raw talent and greatness over short spans, I think you at least end up flipping a coin.
That’s half of Greg Maddux’s career. We say that half of Rickey Henderson’s a Hall of Famer, but I think that’s true of Maddux and Clemens, too.
Les Schwab R.I.P.
Good post, DMZ.
Maddux’s career is mind boggling, especially when you consider his lack of “ace” stuff.
Extraordinary ability to hit the spot you want to hit seems to me just about as much a matter of talent as having extraordinary stuff.
Basically half of Greg Maddux’s career was three-quarters of Frank Tanana’s career, minus the Cy Youngs and World Series appearances. Tanana won 240 games, and I don’t think he got a single HOF vote.
173, never suggested it wasn’t talent. It’s just much more rare of a talent. Which goes back to my point that it is “mind boggling”.
Yeah, Maddux never had the 95 MPH fastball. What he did have was ridiculous control, a multitude of breaking and offspeed pitches, and Leo Mazzone.
And, when he was really on in the Nineties, umps like Eric Gregg who’d give him a dugout-to-dugout-to-upper-deck sized strike zone.
I saw another HoF player in person tonight, and he was beated by a pitcher who will get into the HoF by paying at the door.
174, Frank Tanana was consistently one of the top 5 pitchers in the game for a decade?
For five years, before he blew out his arm in an era in which doing so usually meant your career was over.
Oh, and Koufax got in the Hall on a five-year stretch where he never broke 200 in ERA+. He peaked at 190 in his final season.
Maddux had a five year run of where his season ERA+ was 191 or more, including 273 in 1994 and 259 in 1995. Yeah, they were strike years, but who’s to say he couldn’t have maintained above 200 in those missing 17 or so starts?
And what’s even more incredible is that Pedro’s peak absolutely dwarfs Maddux’s. Pedro finished with an ERA+ of 200 or higher four times. If he hung it up now, he’d have the third highest career WHIP ever. None of the other players in the top 10 pitched past 1927; most didn’t pitch after WWI, and only two were even alive the day Pedro was born. And oh, he’s the career leader in ERA+, 12 percentage points ahead of second-place Lefty Grove.
Yeah, yeah, ERA and WHIP suck as useful stats, YMMV, but Pedro, Maddux, and Clemens are the three best pitchers this sport has ever seen, with Johan Santana starting to make his case to be added to that list.
Don’t forget Mad Dog, with his catlike reflexes and 16 Gold Gloves, is also one of the best fielders at his position ever.
well, that was fun, if cold by the end of the evening.
I assume Yuni is back after his day off, and hopefully Hargrove sticks to his day-or-two off for Sexson– does Ellison’s play in LF heal Raul’s back in time for the sunday game?
oh, apparently Joh has a bat humidor, too.
Can we get some for all the other M’s as well?
Drayer also posted about Pentland discussing Sexson & Chaves discussing Weaver
The expression you’re looking for is this:
When you start thinking, ‘Let’s try something new’ … that’s a panic move,”
http://www.seattlest.com/archives/2006/05/30/mariners_manager_hargrove_admits_hes_clueless.php
Oh yeaahh… we actually referenced that in a game thread.