Comments on: Game 38, Padres at Mariners

By: DMZ

DMZ — Sun, 20 May 2007 11:06:49 +0000

Oh yeaahh... we actually referenced that in a game thread.

By: Seth

Seth — Sun, 20 May 2007 09:59:41 +0000

The expression you’re looking for is this:

When you start thinking, ‘Let’s try something new’ … that’s a panic move,”

http://www.seattlest.com/archives/2006/05/30/mariners_manager_hargrove_admits_hes_clueless.php

By: msb

msb — Sun, 20 May 2007 09:10:44 +0000

Drayer also posted about Pentland discussing Sexson & Chaves discussing Weaver

By: msb

msb — Sun, 20 May 2007 09:07:24 +0000

oh, apparently Joh has a bat humidor, too. Can we get some for all the other M's as well?

By: msb

msb — Sun, 20 May 2007 08:46:59 +0000

well, that was fun, if cold by the end of the evening.

I assume Yuni is back after his day off, and hopefully Hargrove sticks to his day-or-two off for Sexson– does Ellison’s play in LF heal Raul’s back in time for the sunday game?

By: Sports on a Schtick

Sports on a Schtick — Sun, 20 May 2007 08:43:26 +0000

Don’t forget Mad Dog, with his catlike reflexes and 16 Gold Gloves, is also one of the best fielders at his position ever.

By: dw

dw — Sun, 20 May 2007 08:38:10 +0000

Oh, and Koufax got in the Hall on a five-year stretch where he never broke 200 in ERA+. He peaked at 190 in his final season.

Maddux had a five year run of where his season ERA+ was 191 or more, including 273 in 1994 and 259 in 1995. Yeah, they were strike years, but who’s to say he couldn’t have maintained above 200 in those missing 17 or so starts?

And what’s even more incredible is that Pedro’s peak absolutely dwarfs Maddux’s. Pedro finished with an ERA+ of 200 or higher four times. If he hung it up now, he’d have the third highest career WHIP ever. None of the other players in the top 10 pitched past 1927; most didn’t pitch after WWI, and only two were even alive the day Pedro was born. And oh, he’s the career leader in ERA+, 12 percentage points ahead of second-place Lefty Grove.

Yeah, yeah, ERA and WHIP suck as useful stats, YMMV, but Pedro, Maddux, and Clemens are the three best pitchers this sport has ever seen, with Johan Santana starting to make his case to be added to that list.

By: Thom Jimsen

Thom Jimsen — Sun, 20 May 2007 08:22:05 +0000

For five years, before he blew out his arm in an era in which doing so usually meant your career was over.

By: dnc

dnc — Sun, 20 May 2007 08:18:05 +0000

174, Frank Tanana was consistently one of the top 5 pitchers in the game for a decade?

By: dw

dw — Sun, 20 May 2007 08:18:00 +0000

Yeah, Maddux never had the 95 MPH fastball. What he did have was ridiculous control, a multitude of breaking and offspeed pitches, and Leo Mazzone.

And, when he was really on in the Nineties, umps like Eric Gregg who’d give him a dugout-to-dugout-to-upper-deck sized strike zone.

I saw another HoF player in person tonight, and he was beated by a pitcher who will get into the HoF by paying at the door.