Game 43, Mariners at Devil Rays
Horacio Ramirez vs Jae Seo, 12:10 pm.
Lousy LH pitcher vs Lousy RH starter. This should be fun.
Ibanez still not healthy, so we get Broussard in left field. And it’s time for another Adrian Beltre day off, so we get WFB at third base.
With a left-handed pitcher on the mound, we’ve dramatically reduced the defensive abilities of the left side of our defense. You know, the side that fields most balls hit by right-handed hitters. With a lefty on the mound, I’m guessing Tampa will have a few right-handed hitters in their line-up. (Yep, all nine Tampa starters are right-handed today).
I love how Hargrove doesn’t give this kind of stuff any thought at all.
Oh, and also, the Mariners have promoted Chris Tillman to High Desert of the California League. If he keeps his ERA under 6.00, it’s a great year.
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MLB.com’s preview line for this game is “Mariners hope Beltre’s bat could lead to sweep”, noting his 6-for-9 lifetime record vs. Seo. I think Hargrove’s just spiting everyone.
I was just about to say, “Geez, not having Beltre bat against a lefty doesn’t make sense.”
Whatever, this game has bizarro written all over it.
Horacio, on the road, in a Dome, with no real defense at 3rd.
so, either a blowout or a flukey no-no.
So I just noticed that Carlos Guillen hit his second home run of the game, giving him an OPS of .953. I know he’s not that great of a defender, but what is his defensive value, and why is his contract extension like half of Michael Young’s?
Well Detroit has done a bang up job so far against the Angels. GO M’s
Maybe they want Tillman closer to home for some reason?
The Michael Young extension was insane.
Maybe they want Tillman closer to home for some reason?
So his family can comfort him after he gives up 3 home runs a game?
I know Young’s extension was insane, but how does he compare to Guillen defensively (I know Young is terrible), what is Guillen’s defensive value?
Guillen’s defense is better than Young’s, but it’s not great. He’s a little below average defensively, and he’ll probably need to move off SS in a couple of years.
The bat is worth it, though. His extension was a bargain for Detroit.
No excuses today. The Angels are getting creamed. Time to step up.
You can’t put a value on that… Ichiro is invaluable to a championship run. Trading him is giving up on the season.
Ichiro is en fuego.
Hey, another double from Vidro.
Wait wait wait… Jose Vidro hit a double?
So why is it that Dave N. doesn’t get excited when Vidro hits? Anyone else notice that? I mean..was it a good hit?
I like the way this is starting out!
hey, Vidro’s a Professional Hitter. He’s just doing his job
Good things happen when your 1-4 hitters collectively hit .300. Yeah, I acknowledge BA doesn’t mean much, the 2-guy’s BA is empty, and the 4-guy’s BA is a small sample, but still. Like I said, good things happen.
I already had post 14 written, I just had to delete the word “play” after the word “double” before posting.
Now, if we could just slide Mr.177 down a couple of spots.
So is this the first time all year that we ran out Batista and Ramirez on consecutive days and both their opponents had a higher ERA? (not to overvalue ERA, but I have to laugh when I see 6.xx vs a 8.xx)
Now it’s HoRam’s turn
22 – don’t laugh… we have a guy with 14.32 we may be running out there soon.
It’s amazing to me that Johjima is only averaging 3.20 P/PA. It seems like every time I see him hit he’s seeing a ton of pitches. He’s actually averaging fewer pitches than Betancourt (3.53), which is hard to believe.
Speaking of Weaver, it would have made sense to give him a start in this series…wouldn’t it have? It probably would have helped his ERA a bit.
24 – once it gets to double digits it’s not funny any more.
jesus christ ho-ram, throw it over the plate.
Can someone show HoRam how to throw a stike??? Or is the ump squeezing the zone?
there’s your strike…
any one else watching this from the cubicle?…Gotta love the modern world!
So would it be a valid strategy to just send White out there now since they have an all right handed lineup? Cut our losses on another wasted start and heck Ho-Ram would be availble from the bullpen for a day or two at least.
Yes via Yahoo
listening…not watching
/\/\/\/\/\ cube farmer.
That didn’t take long for the prediction of “weakened left-side defense” to play out.
Wish Dream Weaver was available
I really can’t stand Ho.
get ho-ram out of there! put in jason davis already
This is a bitter pill indead! How is Soriano doing???
Rafael Soriano: 20 IP, 8 H, 5 BB, 19 K, 2.61 ERA.
I’m just saying.
Does HoRam have any options left? How about a “shoulder injury”? Wow. Like batting practice.
hey look! an out!
make that two outs in a row. that’s a streak… or something.
I like these Rays announcers.
holy cow he retired 2 batters in a row!
That just makes the pill a little harder to swallow Dave!
Ya think we can get the Delorian from Back to the Future and go back to When Atlanta called about the availability of Soriano and lock him in a closet before he pulls off that deal?
Is there a statistic for most times staked to a lead only to blow it in the bottom half of the inning. I’m pretty sure HoRam would be in the top five of all time.
Wait, wait… we’re winning? That’s not right…we need to play from behind. Ahh.. there we go. — Horacio Ramirez
This has to be a situation where a bunt would be smart.
Jesus, this may be the worst pitching matchup of all time. Maybe contraction of a couple of teams wouldn’t be a bad idea, just to get some of these turkeys out of the league.
i don’t know if The Ram has been around long enough, but he’s probably up there in percentage.
OK, this would be a good moment for Ichiro NOT to return to his double-play tendency from earlier in the season.
Thank you Jae Seo!
Hmmm lets see which pitcher can suck worse. Gonna be a long game.
Way to walk our sub .100 hitter… that’s just terrible.
i’m sure bavasi only looked at ramirez’s rookie year when he made the trade…on the bright side, as long as we keep it close, we will win a battle of the pens…their’s is terrible and ours is one of the best…we’re good unless ramirez keeps sucking…
You weren’t kidding about lousy RH pitcher. How do you walk a guy hitting .095 on four straight pitches? Or should that be why?
Lauren – Ichiro hasn’t hit into a DP all year…
On XM, the Rays announcers even seemed to insinuate that HoRam, as bad as he clearly is on the road, was maybe getting squeezed a little.
(Saying stuff like, “The pitch is just a little inside I guess” on multiple pitches)
Fwiw, ANY pitcher that walks Bloomy should be sent to some independent league
Aiighh J. Lo! This is one of those decisions, like marrying creepy Marc Anthony, I just don’t get.
Of course, I’m only watching via Gamecast. Was it J. Lo’s fault?
Well, we’ll take that I guess.
Wheeeee, tie ballgame! The suspense is killing me!
Dave: whaa? Really? Wow. I must have been smoking the crack. I guess all the occasions I was thinking of were hitting into fielder’s choices.
I should probably burn some incense on the USSM Ichiro altar now.
How could it be J.Lo’s fault, unless he ran through a sign or made a bad slide? If it’s anyone’s fault it’s almost certainly the coach.
JoLo got a bad jump but should have been held at third
I have work to do and can’t get any done waiting to see what else will happen. LOL
On the bright side, the M’s are taking lots of pitches. We should be feasting on the Tampa bullpen sooner rather than later.
how did bloomy score at home on the wild pitch and ichi not advance??
I like Tampa’s front office, but at some point, they have to give up the ghost on Jae Seo, Casey Fossum, and Edwin Jackson. Jason Hammel, Andy Sonnanstine, and Jeff Niemann would all constitute pretty significant upgrades at all three spots.
Wasn’t Seo something of a decent pitcher in the bullpen? Doesn’t Tampa Bay have something of a less than decent bullpen?
Ichi was only on first he did advance
What’s up with Edwin Jackson anyway? Why was he ever a top five prospect in all of baseball?
Dave, don’t you think they’re just biding their time until they feel like the youngsters are really ready?
Oh, guess my gameday hadn’t updated. Not that it mattered anyways.
And the streak of 3 outs comes to an end…
Edwin Jackson used to throw 94-97 with a hard biting slider. Then he got hurt, lost velocity, and is a shell of himself.
And Sonnanstine and Hammel are ready – they’re both low upside command guys who are basically Tampa’s versions of Cha Baek. Niemann could probably use another couple months in Triple-A, but there’s no way all three of them should still be there.
Good time for a DP
Hopefully Hammel stays A LOT more healthy than the last TVCC Chukar to be in the bigs…Jeff Zimmerman. I think Jeff’s bro was in the M’s organization for a few years. A lefty perhaps?
Jordan Zimmerman, and he actually pitched for the M’s for a while.
I love how Hargrove doesn’t give this kind of stuff any thought at all.
Earl Weaver would be turning over in his grave, if he was dead yet.
Drayer had a brief note today about Broussard’s “going nuts” with lack of playing time
The score is headed for Seahawks/Bucs territory.
If the starters are left in passed the fifth, it may be more like Magic/Sonics
Any wagers on HoRam giving it up THIS inning?
A lead!
This is nice, but we’re falling off the pace. We’re going to need 2 runs an inning.
First pitch dp to kill a potential big inning (which is any inning Seo pitches I guess)
That’s the M’s line up we all know and love!
Funny thing, the Rays announcers actually sounded surprised
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Any wagers that he actually DOESN’T?
well, that was quick.
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So were those .300 obp asipirations for Yubet
Regarding the youngsters, I meant more like Longoria and Brignac and everyone, along with more improvement from Upton/Dukes/Young. I just think Tampa sees next year as their first real shot, and they’re not burning extra service time if they don’t have to. Maybe not, I don’t know.
I don’t think Vegas would cover that line #89
Okay, Hargrove is definitely scared. Or is HoRam injured?
Service time stopped being an issue about 3 weeks ago. If you hold a guy in the minors past the first week of May, he won’t get enough service time to qualify for a year of service.
Sean White, already?
White’s in? This is interesting. Has HoRam just lost his job?
Hey, Hargrove did realize it’d be better to have a bad righty than a bad lefty against nine RHB’s.
That could be Ho’s last start for a while. He has an option year left. I wouldn’t be surprised if he went to Tacoma.
I’m sure White is an upgrade over Ramirez, but when are we going to pitch someone who’s struck out more hitters than he’s walked?
Sean White had a lot of warm up time. It must have been an injury to HoRam.
Oops, Crawford is a lefty. And Navarro switch hits.
Actually, Crawford is lefthanded.
Well, they should bring ‘em all up then, see what happens. That and the Salty trade you were talking about. What an exciting team.
what happened to ramirez? just sucking? i only have a box score to keep updating today…hate being at work on gamedays…
If Ho goes to Tacoma, who starts? Weaver? Morrow?
Dave,
Whatever happened to Edwin Jackson? He was one of the top prospects in the Dodgers system at one point wasn’t he?
woods will probably come up for ramirez…did well his last couple outings…
Well, it seems like Sean White is more than up to the task of sucking as hard as HoRam has.
WOW…are we out there to throw BP? Dood…get some outs.
107, meet 78.
Wow our pitching really sucks
Ha-ha!
Ugly ugly swing by Young.
Spokane – 32
You got your wish
Ho’s injured, apparently.
Wonder if this means we see Weaver back. Dear God…
Yes! Bring up Felix…that’ll keep us tuned in.
This is actually a pretty exciting game to follow on Gameday.
Throw strikes! Navarro sucks!
Tightness in his left shoulder.
HoRam that is.
Are we trying for back to back walks for a .178 and .183 hitter???
Tightness in his left shoulder… sounds like Weaver’s injury.
We were better off walking him.
HOOK… GET HIM OUT OF THERE.
This is getting obsene.
Well White wasn’t the answer.
Good thing they traded that injury-prone Rafael Soriano away.
Uh oh. I was initially quite confident we would come back, but this isn’t looking so hot.
there goes the sweep and only being 3.5 games back…this is ridiculous…
This is akin to the A’s bringing in Colby Lewis to get shelled by the White Sox, only this is our normal rotation.
How embarassing… getting clobbered by Tampa Bay.
And the D-Rays(!) bat around.
So much for an exciting game.
I really was joking about having to score 2 runs an inning to keep pace…
Come on, end this.
Not that this is an excuse but the ump is giving our pitchers nothing at all in the lower part of the strike zone
Turning a perfectly winnable game into a laugher. The genius of Hargrove on full display.
How many runs does it take for Mike to realize this guy isn’t having a “good day”
Well, we knew that White would have the occasional total implosion…
get white the hell out of town…the cheap experiment (a good try by bavasi) has failed…
Not even a visit to the mound to let our bullpen get up and throw???
how do you leave white in right here?
OK lets see another Crawford Triple.
ugggh – when will it end? And will it demoralize our offense into quiet submission
I can’t listen to this anymore…
Yeah, now go get him. Genius, Mike.
Yahoo says he left the game with tightness in his shoulder? I didn’t know throwing 70MPH fastballs could tighten your shoulder?
Can we fire Hargrove now, in the middle of this game, even though he is not really responsible for this loss, but just out of pure irrational anger and frustration?
Thank GOD!
Haha now White has a higher ERA than Ho-Ram…
What’s the point of taking Sean White out now? We’re down 6 in a game we’re unlikely to win, we don’t have another day off until 2013, and White’s stretched out enough to burn through a couple more innings and save the bullpen.
Leave him in.
As a sympathetic gesture, Sean White raises his ERA to above HoRam.
Starting pitching. The key to everything.
3 of the 5 hits that White gave up were in Broussard’s direction. Just sayin’.
Only took Hargrove 7 runs to realize white was having an off day.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
How many of the hits squeezed by WFB or fell near Broussard?
What an ID10T… 3 runs, I can understand. 7?
151 – then toss him to the curb…
Still think Horacio Ramirez doesn’t suck, Auburn?
White was probably screaming inside for Hargrove to take him out. He’ll probably never recover from this.
No worries, this bugs bunny game will get better, I promise.
115 – I did form word as a question, which I now have an answer of no to.
Wow, take a potty break and 5 runs score. I agree with Dave, leave White out there and burn him up. Then send him back to Atlanta. Pocket the $25k and have a late lunch. Leave a good tip.
OK, that was pretty spectacular. The funny thing is, though, with Tampa’s pitching, this game’s really not over yet.
I did word it, not form word
Seo will probably pitch shutout baseball from here on out knowing he’s got a easy win locked up.
Over/under 26 total runs in this game?
Over.
Bad day for Carlos Garcia.
#160
Yes. I think he is a marginal #5 starter. “Suck” is what we just saw from White.
Oh my goodness… we’re down 6!
Fire Carlos Garcia!
Good lord. Why would you send Lopez there?
gosh, remember when Mesa & Mabry gave up 11 runs in an inning in Tampa?
today has been a bad day for Garcia.
168 it will only take two innings to reach that threshold.
Holy shit, I can’t remember the last time I heard Dave go off like that. Wow.
we have by far the worst 3rd base coach in baseball. I was saying it all last year, i have never seen a team thrown out at home more than us ever.
1 pitch out… lovin it.
Aaaaaaaahhhhhh! Bloomquist, I shake my fist at you.
Days like today make you appreciate Batista, Baek and Washburn. Not dominant, but not disasterous.
wtf?!?!
Horacio Ramirez is a marginal #5 starter on a Triple-A team.
Hey DMZ, what did Dave say? I love hearing him be old and angry.
Seo is looking relaxed, tanned, and rested after that last inning.
So Lopez has been thrown out at home twice this game?
Good god, what’s going on in that third base coach’s head?
I’m speechless.
When the starting pitcher’s name is Ho Ram, well, somebody’s getting fucked.
Holy moly. I’m only watching on GameCast, and getting thrown out trying to stretch a triple into a homer in a 6-run game looks reeeally bad. I can’t believe it comes through that clearly when I’m not even watching the game. Wow.
Garcia has a AVGFOB of 15 so far this game, according to Niehaus.
Let me attempt to do my best rendition:
“Lopez is rounding third–”
Dead-to-me tone: “And he’s out by twenty feet.”
Increasingly angry: “Why in the world they sent him home, don’t ask me, I thought he might have a chance at it but when he was coming into third… (long rant)”
Who’s watching on MLB TV? The Rays announcers are hilarious. The bit about the newspaper ad with a family wearing 1 Bucs hat, 1 Lightning hat, and 1 Yankees hat…
I really like these guys.
The only explanation is that Bloomquist was on deck and Garcia absolutely knew that the only was for Lopez to score was to wave him on.
Otherwise, the inning goes like:
Bloomquist pops out.
Ichiro is intentionally walked.
Vidro hits to another double play.
when the announcers say “7 runs in 2/3 of an inning”
I die inside.
And here we go for round 2
193, that kind of logic might work against not-Seo with a non-TB defense behind him. But in this situation, I think it’s that much more indefensible.
After 4 innings, the M’s have brought 19 players to the plate and seen 60 pitches. That’s 3.16 pitches per plate appearance. And I’ll bet that it goes down for the rest of the game, because it’s time to get out of town….
What’s with the Devil Rays and triples?
And this, my friends, is why we’re tied for 2nd despite the crappy run differential.
Hey lets put WFB in to pitch maybe he can stress his elbow and save him fro Hargrove use.
196, believe me, I wasn’t trying to defend him. My post was intended to be quite tongue in cheek. TB probably wouldn’t have walked Ichiro with a 6-run lead anyway!
Is this not a lesson in why the bullpen is not starting pitching?
Not even bad starting pitching?
Die Hargrove.
The Rays are gonna hit 20, I can feel it.
Actually, we are tied for 2nd because:
1. Texas has been awful.
2. Oakland has 11 players on the disabled list.
Well, yeah, that too.
A taste of what we’ll see with Weaver in the bullpen.
Hard to complain with an 8 run deficit, but that pitch to Wilson on the 3-2 looked pretty good from my cheap seat. Apparently, Joh thought so too.
It took Sean White and Jason Davis 77 pitches to get through two innings.
Wow, I left for 20 minutes and Tampa scores 9 runs. Impressive.
So who is the most likely starting CFer for Tampa next year? Upton? Dukes? Crawford?
Let’s assume and hope that Ramirez misses some starts. Who gets the spot in the rotation?
Broussard making a case for everyday action.
It took Sean White and Jason Davis 77 pitches to get through two innings.
Next time, let’s sign them to contracts that pay by the out, not by the pitch.
It should be Upton. He really doesn’t belong at 2nd base defensively.
Ugh. I mistakenly went to grab lunch. Or maybe it was better not to know this was happening while it was happening.
Hey! Broussard’s 3 for 3!
At least Sexson has bumped up his batting average to .175! WOOOO!
which means he sits tomorrow.
Food for thought…Richie Sexson’s pitches per at bat and batting average during his career:
99 3.72 .255
00 3.99 .272
01 3.93 .271
02 3.83 .279
03 3.96 .272
04 3.97 .233
05 3.98 .263
06 3.95 .264
07 3.62 .177
2004 was the year Richie was hurt and only had 90 AB’s, so it’s a small sample size. It seems likely that Richie’s problems might directly correlate with his patience at the plate.
But you think he’ll be good in center? Do both Dukes and Crawford end up with starting jobs next year? In Tampa?
Let’s not give up hope, here. The M’s are down by 8 in the bottom of the fifth, but:
(1) This is Tropicana Field, and the ball flies pretty well there and
(2) This is the D-Rays, and their relievers suck.
The M’s have a chance to get back in this game. They just need to grab onto it in the next inning or two.
Dave – if Ramirez goes down with a mysterious DL-inducing shoulder injury like Weaver did, shouldn’t MLB investigate the veracity of these injuries? At least in the case of Weaver, everyone knows he’s not hurt. Don’t the Mariners have to validate these injuries in some way? Or is it the equivalent or just providing a doctor’s note? It’s amazing that teams can just hide players on the DL like that.
sigh. apparently the Hancock family doesn’t believe in personal responsibility
Yeah, Sexson. That was pretty nice.
it seems unlikely that Hargrove would try to burn through his bullpen with 13 more games to go on the road trip, unless there was an injury
After 5 innings….23 batters, 72 pitches. 3.13 per plate appearance.
224- does it?
Hargrove is a fool.
Comeback time!
Come on, Lopez…
don’t look now, but the tying run is only 6 batters away.
Upton is a goofy looking mofo, and goofy running, and goofy diving…
so from now on does Garcia over-do the stop sign?
I’ve talked about the DL issue before, but the short answer is no, nothing will happen.
The Devil Rays are totally in Garcia’s head.
Niiiice. Did you see the numbers on Betancourt with RISP, btw? Pretty impressive.
The Bloomstick!
Corco is coming in for the D-Rays?
Just to put Ho Ram’s line in perspective to Soriano’s, Ho Ram has 14 Ks in his 40 IPs, compared to Soriano’s 19 Ks in 20 IPs.
The other GMs must have been falling all over each other to trade with the Mariner’s front office last winter. Me, I just want to play a little poker with them.
I’m really surprised the Mariner’s owners don’t insist on approving every single deal Bavasi does. In every company I’ve ever been around guys who waste millions of dollars repeatedly on bad deals don’t get to keep making those deals for long.
Could we see a change in the front office after the trading deadline, or will they last until the last out of the season?
And Willie raises his average 27 points!
So, despite being pretty horrible, does this still count as Seo unsustainably stranding runner, considering all the hits he gave up?
If the Rays were smart they’d intentionally walk Ichiro right now.
237, I think it’s quite likely the ownership had soured on Soriano as well, and Snelling for that matter though it’s not exactly related.
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I suspect the front office agrees with Bavassi’s moves, and thinks it’s just bad luck
Ichiro, what was that?
OHhhh Ichiro. Kathud.
somehow, i believe we are still in this game
BAD LUCK? Naw, that deal was obviously bad to every writer and analyst as well as the fans as soon as it was made. I don’t think the result is too surprising.
Well, at least Vidro can’t GIDP now.
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But was it bad to the FO?
Real pitchers duel here.
turbo!!!
246, we know it’s not just bad luck, but the ownership…
Did vidro just hit the ball past the infield?
ahh gotcha.
To think I almost turned this game off…
It’s definitely not over yet. The TB pen is horrible and the M’s have 11 outs to go.
…10 outs to go.
The M’s need to find a way to get Broussard in the line-up 5 times a week.
Of course it’s not bad luck, but the management group isn’t baseball savvy enough (except, perhaps, for Chris Larson) to realize that.
254 who’s to say the Rays don’t pad their lead even more…it’s not like our bullpen has been spectacular today either.
This at-bat does not look easy for Broussard.
Is it not clear from my post that the FO thinks it’s bad luck, and not I?
Trading Soriano for a Ho was so stupid I hurt myself pounding on the desk when I read about it.
Hargrove thought it was killer tho’
So what do you think goes through Bavasi’s head watching his acquisitions from this winter? He must realize now that the Soriano thing wasn’t a good idea, even if he’s still happy with Vidro, though I imagine his throught process with Weaver is/was much like ours… something like “eh, why not?”
The good news is that I may be able to catch the end of the game by the time I leave the office. The bad news is that I’m eaving the office at 6pm, pst. Go M’s!?!?
Sexson has been tagging guys out on bad throws really well. Is that something that most first basemen can do just fine? I feel like I don’t see it that much, but maybe throws to first aren’t off often enough.
i just can’t believe the Angels got so creamed and then we did too…by the fucking d-rays…we still have nine outs! GO Ms!
262: He does that pretty well. The master of getting to balls like that was John Olerud. I’d never seen someone quite so smooth in the infield at catching throws off-line and doing something positive with them.
scary to think that we might be winning this game if ramirez actually stayed in…white killed us…
There are some GREAT stats I should try to gig up on how Olerud improved his infield’s fielding percentage more than almost any other first basemen. He was the master.
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another lesson on Hargrove
And Pena… the anti-Olerud.
So far, the M’s have 14 hits. Sexson has none of them. It looks like the announcement of the end of The Slump was premature.
Do not swing.
Dude, you walked Yuniesky Betancourt. Don’t you feel like a fool.
YuBet walks!
Corco in trouble…
Thank you.
That’s more like it Jose. An outside the park HR is much better.
Jo- se! Jo- se, Jo-se jo-se…Jooooo- SEEEEEEEE
should Beltre be coming in?
Lopez!!!!!!
well, that is ONE way to be sure you don;t get thrown out at home.
he did? I don’t recall him ever talking about it when it happened.
How HUGE are the two outs at the plate now?
Making up for Garcia…
A comeback would be really nice.
267: except that Ho was hurt.
Lopez!
Seriously, why won’t they pinch hit for Bloomquist?
funk blast!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, J-Lo. You’re awesome. You just put the M’s back in this game. They need two runs to tie with eight outs left.
Wacky game.
Willie, grab a stick and kill this rally!
Funk you, Jose!!
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No, I was just bitching about Hargrove, with no basis.
Willie’s just finished collecting his hits for the month.
Come on, Ichi…
We definitely look more patient up there. I really liked how after Yuni got walked Jose Lopez took the strike after working the count 2-0. This series i feel we have definitely shown a lot more patience; even though the rays pitching is horrible.
Is bloomshits over .100 now?
Willie Bloomquist, your 2014 Ms first-base coach.
Who called the over-26 on the total score tonight?
um. doesn’t the tie go to the runner?
According to Rizzs Ichiro was safe…was he safe?
Wow that was a big cut by Vidro.
hmmm, it was also Dreckman who called Guillen out monday vs Cleveland, when they had a chance to take the lead
297, Devil Rays announcers agree. I don’t think it was such a bad call, but yeah he was probably safe.
This is the most inconsistent strike zone I’ve seen in quite a while.
294: I’ve got no problem with Bloomquist as a base coach. The first base coach’s responsibilities often include base-running, and WFB is a good baserunner. It’s about his only baseball skill, but he does run and steal well.
extremely close call..Maybe a tie maybe out…usually goes against the runner on those…he hit the middle end of the bag…if he had hit the front he would have been safe
AAAaarrrrgh
How do you take a called third strike in that situation?
You know, if Yuni could keep up this kind of walk rate he’d be a great candidate for the #2 spot. Move Vidro down, way down, bring Joh up to bat 3rd.
Unfortunately, the M’s aren’t going to face Ray’s-bullpen-”quality” pitching the rest of the season.
How does Hargrove look here? If he had limited the damage to 3 runs instead of 7 in the 3rd.
Davis has thrown 59 pitches and he’s missing up now. Is there anyone else available in the pen, now that this is a close game?
Thank you.
You only have so many available pitchers though…Adn with no off days coming up you can’t treat every game like game 7.
I want the M’s to take the lead on a 3-run homer. That in itself isn’t nerdy–the fact that I want to see what the WPA swing on that would be on Fangraphs is.
Brutal commentary on the pirates…
even if they lose…and even though it is the D-Rays…this could be a confidence builder in the HUGE showdown with The KING vs. The Artist Formerly Known as “Future Ms Ace” Gil Meche tomorrow…
ICHIRO!
sign him now
It’s fascinating to watch the chart on this over at Fangraphs. The LI bottomed out in the fourth through the middle of the sixth, saying, “Oh, this one’s over.” Suddenly the game got interesting again.
What were we saying about Ichiro again?
So that Ichiro character is a pretty good player, isn’t he? Seems to me I saw a post about that somewhere online recently….
Also, I kind of like that Kenji guy.
And I’m reading the M’s Notes about Johjima catching base stealers right now!
Gilgamesh vs. the King
sounds like an epic tale from the ancient past
They should repurpose that commercial for Sidney Ponson. “Can’t you see? He’s not even Dutch!“
If they run out of pitchers, call someone up from Tacoma.
That’s a good way to help team, Richie. Good to see.
A quick break from this epic game for the Soriano/Ramirez trade discussion….since Bavasi was hired in Nov, 2003, he has made 28 trades. Here is the list of the players he’s traded and what he received for them. I have omitted the players that we both traded and received (ie, Miguel Olivo, Dave Hansen). Players who are currently in the ML are in caps:
Traded
Greg Colbrunn JEFF CIRILLO
Brian Sweeney CARLOS GUILLEN
Ryan Ketchner Glenn Bott
Terry Mulholland Ben Davis
FREDIE GARCIA RICH AURILIA
MIKE MYERS Travis Blackley
Pat Borders Randy Williams
Aaron Taylor Bret Boone
RANDY WINN Emiliano Fruto
RON VILLONE CHRIS SNELLING
MATT THORNTON Cody Ransom
Ashrubel Cabrera EDDIE GUARDADO
Shin-Soo Choo Shawn Nottingham
JAMIE MOYER RAFAEL SORIANO
Received:
Quinten McCracken Wiki Gonzalez
Kevin Jarvis Vince Faison
Ramon Santiago Juan Gonzalez
Jolbert Cabrera JASON ELLISON
Jeremy Reed Mike Morse
Jon Huber B.J Garbe
Billy Hogan SEAN GREEN
Jesse Foppert Nathaniel Mateo
Miguel Ojeda Yorman Borzado
Jon Borchard Jose de la Cruz
Eduardo Perez Travis Chick
BEN BROUSSARD Andrew Barb
Andrew Baldwin SEAN WHITE
HORACIO RAMIREZ JOSE VIDRO
You tell me whether we’re better or worse off….
Yeah, but it’s still >75% for TB. Then again, TB has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory more than once already this season….
Our best hitter lately, Guillen really is hurting us today. Probably not as bad as say….our effin’ dumb third base coach.
Then of course there’s the pitching…sigh
Rays need the extra point for 14 (eyes rolling)
Dammit, now it has to be a grand slam.
[don't be a jerk]
Tampa Bay has a closer? Isn’t that a bit like putting a cupholder in a dragster?
[no]
I hope YuBet doesn’t get on…Hargrove will have Lopez bunt!
more like a roll-bar on a Vega.
I had no idea Al Reyes had been such a rock star this year.
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Uh what? They have 19 wins after today, 2 less than us. WOuld you say there’s no need for Putz?
Ichi ichi ichi ichi
[no]
Why would you give Ichiro anything to hit here with Turbo comming up?
Yeaaaaaahhhhhhhh…
YES!
That was the most confused I think I’ve ever heard an announcer.
Hilarious, after all of Dave’s “SWUNG ON AND BELTED! AND… it’s caught in shallow center” — this time you can hear him deliberately calm himself down and then get excited late.
ICHIRO!
sign him now
Ichiro is awesome.
Ichiro decided to remove the GIDP possibility
This might be the second weirdest game I have ever seen the Mariners take part in. With the exception of the 12 run comeback by the Indians in 01.
Just walk Vidro now.
Sweet! We’re now officially one bad base coach or managerial call away from having already tied the game.
Ichiro The Underrated. How apropos.
C’mon Guillen. Keep this one rolling.
I didn’t say there was no need. A cupholder in a dragster is potentially useful, you just don’t get many chances.
Game ball to the 3rd base coach!
Letdown. Sigh.
DAMNIT
Augh! And man, 168 hit the over/under number pretty damn’ well.
Brutal, brutal game by Mr. Guillen.
I’ll bet Beltre enjoyed watching that one….
[no]
Was it the bad managerial calls that cost us the game or the patience at the plate? I can’t help but think the 9 BB’s for the D-rays, versus the M’s 4 is a difference maker.
I’ve been calling him that for 2 years now.
At least Guillen didn’t swing at that high pitch, I guess…
Mt beer tastes sour.
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My comment was regarding getting deleted for a Bavasi dis.
Please, continue!
Only a Hargrove coached team could find a way to lose to TB while scoring TWELVE runs, lol
I honestly can’t even imagine how many mistakes there were. You know, like the Garcia abortions, the dp’s, not getting runners from third home w/ less than two outs, Guillen catching Sexson’s disease, leaving AA quality Sean White in for too long…sigh
Like I said…only the M’s. I mean you can’t say it would happen to the D-Rays, lol
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Grover is responsible for in game management decisions. Obviously he didn’t address the FIRST Garcia screw up well enough to prevent the 2nd one. And obviously Grover will let him keep on coachin’ after this.
Plus, four walks is actually good for US.
Sad, sad state of affairs. The Angels were just begging us to gain a game and we just wouldn’t take the charity. Not from them or the D-Rays.
You all had to know that home run in the eighth was going to be the Mariners’ demise, after they rallied back within two runs.
The Ichiro two out, 2-run homer in the ninth makes it perfect. That’s Mariner baseball.
You can’t expect Grover to have a heart to heart with Garcia in the dugout during a game. In front of the team.
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So, I can blame Hargrove for the Lopez throwout?
I want him to be the whipping boy for all onfield disasters.
Although it’s hard to blame himn for the gullien strikeout…
Wow, the plays at the plate must have really been bad for the post game show to be ragging on them.
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not what I want to hear,
but probably fair…
We can’t really blame O’flaherty for that homer can we?
It seems like we should have had ebough runs, given the hits…
They sure better be looking at video and talking about it tonight or tomorrow morning, though.
word
Oh, and also, the Mariners have promoted Chris Tillman to High Desert of the California League. If he keeps his ERA under 6.00, it’s a great year.
Aaron Cotter, Marwin Vega, Nicholas Allen, Jose Escalona, Austin Bibens-Dirkx and Roman Martinez all say hi. And most of those guys aren’t exactly bright prospects.
I think Tillman’s numbers will actually look passable. The space park isn’t destroying the pitching staff as much as the park factor would suggest. Sure, Tillman’s still developing and he may get taken deep on a couple flyballs that would stay in most yards, but an ERA in the 4’s is not improbable.
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No, you worry about hurting his pride and let him do it AGAIN. There are clubhouses to take him aside for a kindly “chat.” Or at least ask him for SOME sort of “explanation.”
Believe me, with Grover, I’d expect nothing more or less than well…NOTHING from him.
Not blaming O’Flaherty. White takes the loss, for good reason. Or Hargrove for watching while his pitcher gives up six hits and seven runs in 2/3s of an inning.
The Mariners were lucky to be in that situation. But, it’s almost like Ichrio had to hit that 2-run home run so we could look back at that eighth inning homer and wonder … what if?
Again, that’s Mariner Baseball. They want to refuse to lose, but they can’t find a way to win without running into trouble.
It’s good to see them make a valiant effort to come back, despite many missed opportunities to actually win the game, and then to lose by only one run. I would hate for them to break the norm.
If you’ve ever managed anybody you know you don’t reprimand or question a subordinate in front of other subordinates.
Nor can a manager and his coach go into the clubhouse during a game. It’s just not possible.
Obviously Garcia misjudged both situations. He didn’t choose to send Lopez to be out by 20 feet. There is no explanation other than that he judged it wrong.
So are we hoping that Ramirez is ok, or that we get some kind of replacement?
I can’t think of who we could bring up that would be any better.
he still has 13 games with no days off to nurse his bullpen through, and the last two times out, Felix has not gone deep into the game.
is it just me or does that homer reveal that ichiro is absolutely the last problem this team has?
How much more leadership is necessary than a 9th inning home run?
I despair for the future with Hargrove less expendable than Ichiro
eh
8th, wasn’t it
9th
Here is the game summary from seattlemariners.com:
Felipe Lopez went 4-for-4 and Ichiro Suzuki homered in the ninth as the Mariners rallied late.
per Drayer, Garcia is killing himself about getting Lopez thrown out on the triple, he has no explanation for what happened and is v. unhappy with himself (as are we all).
Ramirez said this isn’t like his previous shoulder trouble; he mentioned the tightness after the 2nd, and Chaves shut him down immediately. Hargrove put his concern at an 8 on the ever popular 1-10 scale. HoRam will see a doctor tomorrow in KC, and Drayer says that if demeanor and level of worry is anything to go by, HoRam is missing his next start.
What does dropping Ramirez do to Felix Day?!?
I really want to see him in Anaheim this week and now I might miss it.
Oh, and I hope Horacio is OK. Yeah, get better.
I just want to see Felix!
Well, one way to manage the bullpen is to keep stashing guys on the DL for some rest and flying in more guys from Tacoma. Sure, it’s a bit hinky but MLB isn’t going to challenge it: even if they normally policed such a thing (and as Derek says, they don’t) the Mariners could just point out that thanks to forces outside their control they’re being asked to play a schedule and travel distances that no other team in baseball has to endure — and of course that in itself can cause injuries, which is a sufficient fig leaf for MLB (and in some cases, like Ho Ram, it might even be true).
it’s a no brainer, the M’s need a shake up, either manager, gm, hopefully both, but seriously we need atleast a new manager just to shake things up!
Little bit of a rough outting for sean white… And he had been doing well since MIN roughed him up. In his defense, he was facing the TB all-stars though.
Not the best line you’d want to see. Three walks is killer in 2/3 of an inning.
0.2 6 7 7 0 3 1
Actually, I had Edwin Jackson on my fantasy team earlier and the radar showed he hits 96-98 on his 4-seamer. It’s a straight fastball and got hit out of the park too often. His 2-seamer worked consistently at 94. It’s not all about velocity though.
So they picked my question on the text and win thing but they never said how to collect the watch. What up with that?
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“Little bit of a rough outting for Sean White”
That’s really like saying Mike Tyson has had a little bit of a rough time being a solid citizen.
OR
Grover has had a little bit of a rough time not being an effin’ retard in managerial decisions.
don’t they usually say to go to the Croton website? you can always text them again, I suppose
The M’s’s problem starts at Lincoln. He was, after all, the one who thought hiring Bavasi was a non-horrible decision.
I called them. They said they call you back on thrusdays. Hooray for a free watch. Though after looking at the website, there’s a bunch on there I wouldn’t wear unless it was to a pimps and ho’s party.
a lot of people thought hiring Bavasi was a non-horrible decision at the time.
ooooh, the Gladiator
Bavasi’s not the only problem in the front office, and it goes beyond the known execs. By himself, Bavasi’s problem with talent evaluation can be ameliorated by effective scouts and player development people; after all, he can’t do it all by himself, and SOMEONE is feeding him information. It’s an organization wide problem, starting with a flawed, dated philosophy, extending to inconsistent implementation and ending with terrible self-evaluation and correction.
That’s why they can pass off Ramirez’ and Weaver’ performances as bad luck…
we r teh suxorz!1
Yuniesky has three BBs in the last two games!
383: One Rainier the Ms should bring up is Mateo. I certainly don’t want to watch him in Tacoma.