Comments on: Future Forty Updated for June http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: manny mariner http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/comment-page-3/#comment-191217 manny mariner Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:55:20 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/#comment-191217 I think everyone here is all to excited to categorize Clement as a bust. Let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He hasn't even played a full season start to finish. Last year he was promoted to AAA after an injury and only 15 AA games under his belt. Blame management for that. Alex Gordon was allowed to flourish the entire season in AA and was minor-league POY. Looks like the Royals managed to rush him this season, and so yes, he is in MLB ball with a a sparkling .170 BA. No doubt Clement has had a slow start this season in Tacoma, but all reports show that his catching has improved, and even though his BA sucks at .246, his power numbers are not that bad. He is batting .361 in his last ten games, and seems to be hitting a midseason stride. My guess is he'll be around .265 by season's end, with decent power numbers. Obviously we would all like him to be a little further along, but I have a feeling that this guy is going to breakout. I've seen him a couple of times live this year, and I think this 'slow-bat' stuff is BS. I think everyone here is all to excited to categorize Clement as a bust. Let’s give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He hasn’t even played a full season start to finish.

Last year he was promoted to AAA after an injury and only 15 AA games under his belt. Blame management for that. Alex Gordon was allowed to flourish the entire season in AA and was minor-league POY. Looks like the Royals managed to rush him this season, and so yes, he is in MLB ball with a a sparkling .170 BA.

No doubt Clement has had a slow start this season in Tacoma, but all reports show that his catching has improved, and even though his BA sucks at .246, his power numbers are not that bad. He is batting .361 in his last ten games, and seems to be hitting a midseason stride. My guess is he’ll be around .265 by season’s end, with decent power numbers.

Obviously we would all like him to be a little further along, but I have a feeling that this guy is going to breakout. I’ve seen him a couple of times live this year, and I think this ’slow-bat’ stuff is BS.

]]> By: DMZ http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/comment-page-3/#comment-190591 DMZ Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:59:42 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/#comment-190591 Yeah - if you look back I've done a lot of pitcher evaluations where I try and measure outcomes as a % of total batters faced. per/9 IP is an even worse measure of counting stats. Yeah – if you look back I’ve done a lot of pitcher evaluations where I try and measure outcomes as a % of total batters faced. per/9 IP is an even worse measure of counting stats.

]]> By: Chris Miller http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/comment-page-3/#comment-190588 Chris Miller Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:16:12 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/#comment-190588 #125, that is the best way for SO and BB. Per PA not per AB. #125, that is the best way for SO and BB. Per PA not per AB.

]]> By: Allen McPheeters http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/comment-page-3/#comment-190566 Allen McPheeters Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:15:08 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/#comment-190566 This is only moderately on-topic, but I've always wondered why people use BB/AB. Since walks are not at-bats, wouldn't it make more sense to measure BB/PA, and then to use K/PA as a reasonable comparison? This is only moderately on-topic, but I’ve always wondered why people use BB/AB. Since walks are not at-bats, wouldn’t it make more sense to measure BB/PA, and then to use K/PA as a reasonable comparison?

]]> By: gwangung http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/comment-page-3/#comment-190221 gwangung Fri, 01 Jun 2007 04:33:58 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/#comment-190221 <b> Dirkx throws from a low sidearm slot, giving him the potential to be death on right-handed hitters. His delivery is deceptive enough to potentially make up for a lack of stuff. </b> So, what are they working on in his delivery? Something to be concerned about? Dirkx throws from a low sidearm slot, giving him the potential to be death on right-handed hitters. His delivery is deceptive enough to potentially make up for a lack of stuff.

So, what are they working on in his delivery? Something to be concerned about?

]]> By: Dave http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/comment-page-3/#comment-190220 Dave Fri, 01 Jun 2007 04:27:46 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/#comment-190220 It isn't just about the numbers - you can have eye-popping numbers as a minor league reliever and still not be a prospect. Colter Bean has been proving this for years. Dirkx throws from a low sidearm slot, giving him the potential to be death on right-handed hitters. His delivery is deceptive enough to potentially make up for a lack of stuff. It isn’t just about the numbers – you can have eye-popping numbers as a minor league reliever and still not be a prospect. Colter Bean has been proving this for years.

Dirkx throws from a low sidearm slot, giving him the potential to be death on right-handed hitters. His delivery is deceptive enough to potentially make up for a lack of stuff.

]]> By: Kirk D http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/comment-page-3/#comment-190219 Kirk D Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:57:42 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/#comment-190219 Fair enough. You're probably looking for more eye-popping numbers like what Lowe was putting up last year when you're talking about relievers. Just curious what (if much) separates Barb from someone like Austin Bibens-Dierkx? Fair enough. You’re probably looking for more eye-popping numbers like what Lowe was putting up last year when you’re talking about relievers. Just curious what (if much) separates Barb from someone like Austin Bibens-Dierkx?

]]> By: Dave http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/comment-page-3/#comment-190217 Dave Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:52:43 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/#comment-190217 Minor league relievers have to be pretty special to be valuable. Barb's not special. The minors are full of Andrew Barb type guys. Minor league relievers have to be pretty special to be valuable. Barb’s not special. The minors are full of Andrew Barb type guys.

]]> By: Kirk D http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/comment-page-3/#comment-190216 Kirk D Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:36:40 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/#comment-190216 Dave, what about Andrew Barb? His numbers have looked pretty good thus far in his career - high K rate, decent walk rate, good K/BB ratio. Is this a case of a guy that posts good numbers but doesn't excite scouts about his future chances? Is he a little too old for the levels he's pitching to get too excited about? Dave, what about Andrew Barb? His numbers have looked pretty good thus far in his career – high K rate, decent walk rate, good K/BB ratio. Is this a case of a guy that posts good numbers but doesn’t excite scouts about his future chances? Is he a little too old for the levels he’s pitching to get too excited about?

]]> By: Dave http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/comment-page-3/#comment-190215 Dave Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:27:58 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/05/31/future-forty-updated-for-june/#comment-190215 He's in the 41-50 range. The low ERA is masking the fact that he's not throwing strikes or blowing hitters away. It's something of a mirage. He’s in the 41-50 range. The low ERA is masking the fact that he’s not throwing strikes or blowing hitters away. It’s something of a mirage.

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