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		<title>By: mutpup</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/26/game-74-red-sox-at-mariners/comment-page-13/#comment-209879</link>
		<dc:creator>mutpup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s Johjima at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s Johjima at all.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/26/game-74-red-sox-at-mariners/comment-page-13/#comment-201169</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birdie, you&#039;re in the wrong thread.  And that&#039;s been addressed.  He did the same thing with Burke.  And you are aware that most pitchers talk to their catchers before the game, and often establish how they&#039;re going to handle the first few hitters so the catcher is going to call what the pitcher wants?  Not to mention that if a pitcher has a very strong idea about how he starts games (or if the coaching staff has a &quot;philosophy&quot; that they want to see followed) the catcher&#039;s hands are tied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birdie, you&#8217;re in the wrong thread.  And that&#8217;s been addressed.  He did the same thing with Burke.  And you are aware that most pitchers talk to their catchers before the game, and often establish how they&#8217;re going to handle the first few hitters so the catcher is going to call what the pitcher wants?  Not to mention that if a pitcher has a very strong idea about how he starts games (or if the coaching staff has a &#8220;philosophy&#8221; that they want to see followed) the catcher&#8217;s hands are tied.</p>
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		<title>By: Birdie Double</title>
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		<dc:creator>Birdie Double</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much of the pitch selection problem is Johjima?  I don&#039;t see Felix shaking off a lot of pitches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much of the pitch selection problem is Johjima?  I don&#8217;t see Felix shaking off a lot of pitches.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/26/game-74-red-sox-at-mariners/comment-page-13/#comment-201135</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there are two people involved in every pitching matchup: the batter and the pitcher.  If the pitcher is &quot;anti-clutch&quot; (aka &quot;chokes&quot;) against certain batters (or certain kinds of batters) it&#039;s going to make those batters look better.  But unless you see that matchup a lot, that&#039;s going to show up in the pitcher&#039;s stats, not the batter&#039;s.

There are other factors, depending on how you define &quot;clutch.&quot;  If it&#039;s just BA/RISP, almost &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; batters look &quot;clutch&quot; because those baserunners got there somehow, and that typically means the batter is facing a bad pitcher, or a pitcher who&#039;s having a bad day, or is front of a shaky defense, or &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt;, and whatever that is it generally works in the batter&#039;s favor.  On TV you often will see a stat showing a batter&#039;s (higher) BAwRISP vs his normal BA, but what you won&#039;t see is how that compares to all batters&#039; stats: &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://retrosheet.org/Research/RuaneT/cl_batr_dat.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;most&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; batters have a higher BA/RISP vs normal BA.  And so a batter with a high regular average, like Jeter, is going to have an even higher BA/RISP, and that&#039;s going to look &quot;clutch&quot; because you&#039;re unconsciously comparing it to the ordinary BA of an ordinary batter.  Add to that selective memory (Jeter might be &quot;Mr. November&quot; because of one key hit and &quot;the flip&quot; defense, but he actually wasn&#039;t a very good hitter overall in that 2001 postseason) and it&#039;s easy to fool yourself.

There are other ways to define &quot;clutch&quot; of course, &quot;close and late&quot; being one of the other popular ones.  There&#039;s been a &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=clutch&amp;btnG=Search&amp;domains=hardballtimes.com&amp;sitesearch=hardballtimes.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lot&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; of research done on this, especially in the past two or three years.  See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/dp/1597971294?tag=tangotiger-20&amp;camp=14573&amp;creative=327641&amp;linkCode=as1&amp;creativeASIN=1597971294&amp;adid=1J29FZVPJ0TYKZ0Y9ZCT&amp;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Book&lt;/a&gt; by Tango (et al) for more.  It&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dolphinsim.com/ratings/notes/clutch.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;possible&lt;/a&gt; that clutch really describes a talent possessed by certain players, but if it exists it is small.

On the other hand, it&#039;s certainly true that clutch situations exist, and that certain players may find themselves in those situations more often than others, and that they may deliver in those situations (or not).  So as a descriptive record, rather than a predictable talent, it&#039;s possible to talk about players&#039; records of hitting in clutch situations. You can see this over at &lt;a&gt;Fangraphs&lt;/a&gt;,  (see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fangraphs.com/glossary/index.php?n=Glossary.Glossary&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;glossary&lt;/a&gt; for their definition of &quot;clutchiness&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there are two people involved in every pitching matchup: the batter and the pitcher.  If the pitcher is &#8220;anti-clutch&#8221; (aka &#8220;chokes&#8221;) against certain batters (or certain kinds of batters) it&#8217;s going to make those batters look better.  But unless you see that matchup a lot, that&#8217;s going to show up in the pitcher&#8217;s stats, not the batter&#8217;s.</p>
<p>There are other factors, depending on how you define &#8220;clutch.&#8221;  If it&#8217;s just BA/RISP, almost <i>all</i> batters look &#8220;clutch&#8221; because those baserunners got there somehow, and that typically means the batter is facing a bad pitcher, or a pitcher who&#8217;s having a bad day, or is front of a shaky defense, or <i>something</i>, and whatever that is it generally works in the batter&#8217;s favor.  On TV you often will see a stat showing a batter&#8217;s (higher) BAwRISP vs his normal BA, but what you won&#8217;t see is how that compares to all batters&#8217; stats: <i><a href="http://retrosheet.org/Research/RuaneT/cl_batr_dat.htm" rel="nofollow">most</a></i> batters have a higher BA/RISP vs normal BA.  And so a batter with a high regular average, like Jeter, is going to have an even higher BA/RISP, and that&#8217;s going to look &#8220;clutch&#8221; because you&#8217;re unconsciously comparing it to the ordinary BA of an ordinary batter.  Add to that selective memory (Jeter might be &#8220;Mr. November&#8221; because of one key hit and &#8220;the flip&#8221; defense, but he actually wasn&#8217;t a very good hitter overall in that 2001 postseason) and it&#8217;s easy to fool yourself.</p>
<p>There are other ways to define &#8220;clutch&#8221; of course, &#8220;close and late&#8221; being one of the other popular ones.  There&#8217;s been a <i><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=clutch&amp;btnG=Search&amp;domains=hardballtimes.com&amp;sitesearch=hardballtimes.com" rel="nofollow">lot</a></i> of research done on this, especially in the past two or three years.  See <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/1597971294?tag=tangotiger-20&amp;camp=14573&amp;creative=327641&amp;linkCode=as1&amp;creativeASIN=1597971294&amp;adid=1J29FZVPJ0TYKZ0Y9ZCT&amp;" rel="nofollow">The Book</a> by Tango (et al) for more.  It&#8217;s <a href="http://www.dolphinsim.com/ratings/notes/clutch.html" rel="nofollow">possible</a> that clutch really describes a talent possessed by certain players, but if it exists it is small.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s certainly true that clutch situations exist, and that certain players may find themselves in those situations more often than others, and that they may deliver in those situations (or not).  So as a descriptive record, rather than a predictable talent, it&#8217;s possible to talk about players&#8217; records of hitting in clutch situations. You can see this over at <a>Fangraphs</a>,  (see the <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/glossary/index.php?n=Glossary.Glossary" rel="nofollow">glossary</a> for their definition of &#8220;clutchiness&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;anti-clutch&quot; makes sense.  Nerves, worry, pressure cam cause someone to perform poorly.

Anyone that has ever done public speaking has probably encountered that.

But, clutch, in the sense that a player can somehow magically elevate their performance in key situations?  Doesn&#039;t happen.  Can&#039;t happen, unless the player dogs it in non-key situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;anti-clutch&#8221; makes sense.  Nerves, worry, pressure cam cause someone to perform poorly.</p>
<p>Anyone that has ever done public speaking has probably encountered that.</p>
<p>But, clutch, in the sense that a player can somehow magically elevate their performance in key situations?  Doesn&#8217;t happen.  Can&#8217;t happen, unless the player dogs it in non-key situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidi</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/26/game-74-red-sox-at-mariners/comment-page-13/#comment-201106</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there certainly is clutch hitting.  In high school.  And college.  Perhaps A or AA league.

At the high school level a lot of guys will freak out in important situations, and mess up. They won&#039;t be &quot;clutch&quot; because they can&#039;t deal with pressure.  At the collge level you will have fewer.  By the time you get to the MLB level all the players who have problems with important situations, by and large, will have been weeded out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there certainly is clutch hitting.  In high school.  And college.  Perhaps A or AA league.</p>
<p>At the high school level a lot of guys will freak out in important situations, and mess up. They won&#8217;t be &#8220;clutch&#8221; because they can&#8217;t deal with pressure.  At the collge level you will have fewer.  By the time you get to the MLB level all the players who have problems with important situations, by and large, will have been weeded out.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren, token chick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren, token chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>planB: Far be it from me to say I have absolute knowledge on random people&#039;s ethnicity, but just because Vlad&#039;s from the Dominican Republic doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s not of African descent.

Also: How does your race affect the matter?

Anyway. Enough of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>planB: Far be it from me to say I have absolute knowledge on random people&#8217;s ethnicity, but just because Vlad&#8217;s from the Dominican Republic doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s not of African descent.</p>
<p>Also: How does your race affect the matter?</p>
<p>Anyway. Enough of this.</p>
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		<title>By: colm</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/26/game-74-red-sox-at-mariners/comment-page-13/#comment-201104</link>
		<dc:creator>colm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BKM - just becuase the M&#039;s scored 8 runs off some fairly ropey Red Sox pitching does not jutisfy hitting Vidro third and Guillen sixth. They would have been more likely to score more runs with Guillen hitting higher in the order.  

I once won $200 playing blackjack in Vegas.  Does that mean it was a wise investment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BKM &#8211; just becuase the M&#8217;s scored 8 runs off some fairly ropey Red Sox pitching does not jutisfy hitting Vidro third and Guillen sixth. They would have been more likely to score more runs with Guillen hitting higher in the order.  </p>
<p>I once won $200 playing blackjack in Vegas.  Does that mean it was a wise investment?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>638- That was some hilarious reading, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>638- That was some hilarious reading, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: colm</title>
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		<dc:creator>colm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Vlad&#039;s not African American, but I&#039;m pretty sure Nathan Bedford Forrest would never have put his name forward to be Grand Imperial Wizard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Vlad&#8217;s not African American, but I&#8217;m pretty sure Nathan Bedford Forrest would never have put his name forward to be Grand Imperial Wizard.</p>
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