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	<title>Comments on: Jeff Clement, A Conversation</title>
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		<title>By: bookbook</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/29/jeff-clement-a-conversation/comment-page-2/#comment-202121</link>
		<dc:creator>bookbook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 06:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is fascinating. Thanks for bringing us this insight, Dave.

I have generally believed the AAAA player is a jackalope, rather than an actual subclass of players. (No, Petagine&#039;s 7 plate appearances with the M&#039;s didn&#039;t convince me otherwise.)

I will neither write Clement off, nor raise him exalted to the heaven&#039;s based on the past month and a half. As I&#039;m sure you wouldn&#039;t want me to do.

Other sources of evidence: would a player with a slow bat hit more to the opposite field, because he wouldn&#039;t have time to pull the ball, or is that overthinking it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fascinating. Thanks for bringing us this insight, Dave.</p>
<p>I have generally believed the AAAA player is a jackalope, rather than an actual subclass of players. (No, Petagine&#8217;s 7 plate appearances with the M&#8217;s didn&#8217;t convince me otherwise.)</p>
<p>I will neither write Clement off, nor raise him exalted to the heaven&#8217;s based on the past month and a half. As I&#8217;m sure you wouldn&#8217;t want me to do.</p>
<p>Other sources of evidence: would a player with a slow bat hit more to the opposite field, because he wouldn&#8217;t have time to pull the ball, or is that overthinking it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/29/jeff-clement-a-conversation/comment-page-2/#comment-202051</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 20:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well his BABIP against LH is very high at .413 and his BABIP against righties is very low at .264, which would largely account for his weird reverse splits. Also, his K:BB against LH is 15:10 and against RH it is 30:20 so he is seeing the ball very well.  Also, don&#039;t guys with slow bats (especially LH) usually struggle against same handed pitchers first since the reaction time is a little slower?

I think the scout is a little off base and is defending his previous position as much as anything.  Clement can hit LH and RH and his bat will play in MLB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well his BABIP against LH is very high at .413 and his BABIP against righties is very low at .264, which would largely account for his weird reverse splits. Also, his K:BB against LH is 15:10 and against RH it is 30:20 so he is seeing the ball very well.  Also, don&#8217;t guys with slow bats (especially LH) usually struggle against same handed pitchers first since the reaction time is a little slower?</p>
<p>I think the scout is a little off base and is defending his previous position as much as anything.  Clement can hit LH and RH and his bat will play in MLB.</p>
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		<title>By: mlb2131</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/29/jeff-clement-a-conversation/comment-page-2/#comment-202049</link>
		<dc:creator>mlb2131</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clement does indeed have a double against Linecum, but only 1.

His other double against Fresno that won the game in the bottom of the 9th was against a reliever, righty Brian Wilson....does he throw hard? ;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clement does indeed have a double against Linecum, but only 1.</p>
<p>His other double against Fresno that won the game in the bottom of the 9th was against a reliever, righty Brian Wilson&#8230;.does he throw hard? <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Oly Rainiers Fan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/29/jeff-clement-a-conversation/comment-page-2/#comment-202041</link>
		<dc:creator>Oly Rainiers Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave:

I must be missing the plot.  The scout and the stats are both saying Clement can&#039;t get around on a good fastball, and the stats say he&#039;s not hitting well against RH pitching.  You&#039;re saying (I think) that the two are related (i.e., he&#039;s sucking against RH pitching BECAUSE they&#039;re largely throwing him good fastballs he can&#039;t get around on).

Then in post 10, you&#039;re like &#039;we (and everybody else) need LH power hitters&#039; (paraphrased), as if that has anything to do with Clement.

But isn&#039;t the point of having a LH power hitter that LH generally hit RH pitchers better than LH pitchers - which Clement isn&#039;t doing?  I&#039;m unclear how that makes him &#039;LH sock&#039; that us or other teams want...  I mean, isn&#039;t the definition of &#039;LH sock&#039; = LH batter who tears up RH fastball pitching?  And we always want it because the majority of pitchers are RH.  Isn&#039;t that what we&#039;re always looking for (and that we never find)?

As an aside...Carl Everett is playing Indy League ball for the Long Island Ducks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:</p>
<p>I must be missing the plot.  The scout and the stats are both saying Clement can&#8217;t get around on a good fastball, and the stats say he&#8217;s not hitting well against RH pitching.  You&#8217;re saying (I think) that the two are related (i.e., he&#8217;s sucking against RH pitching BECAUSE they&#8217;re largely throwing him good fastballs he can&#8217;t get around on).</p>
<p>Then in post 10, you&#8217;re like &#8216;we (and everybody else) need LH power hitters&#8217; (paraphrased), as if that has anything to do with Clement.</p>
<p>But isn&#8217;t the point of having a LH power hitter that LH generally hit RH pitchers better than LH pitchers &#8211; which Clement isn&#8217;t doing?  I&#8217;m unclear how that makes him &#8216;LH sock&#8217; that us or other teams want&#8230;  I mean, isn&#8217;t the definition of &#8216;LH sock&#8217; = LH batter who tears up RH fastball pitching?  And we always want it because the majority of pitchers are RH.  Isn&#8217;t that what we&#8217;re always looking for (and that we never find)?</p>
<p>As an aside&#8230;Carl Everett is playing Indy League ball for the Long Island Ducks.</p>
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		<title>By: darrylzero</title>
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		<dc:creator>darrylzero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>debaser... You&#039;re probably right, but I&#039;m not sure that helps Clement that much.  I mean, whether or not the bit about promotions is accurate this year (sounds like more of something to keep in mind rather than a knock against Clement specifically), he&#039;s still only killing soft-tossing lefties.  That&#039;s still a good sign, that he can kill even soft-tossing lefties, but it matter regardless of how many aces he might have faced sans-callups.  

Whether or not that&#039;s just par for the course in thinking about the AAA --&gt; MLB transition is an interesting question though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>debaser&#8230; You&#8217;re probably right, but I&#8217;m not sure that helps Clement that much.  I mean, whether or not the bit about promotions is accurate this year (sounds like more of something to keep in mind rather than a knock against Clement specifically), he&#8217;s still only killing soft-tossing lefties.  That&#8217;s still a good sign, that he can kill even soft-tossing lefties, but it matter regardless of how many aces he might have faced sans-callups.  </p>
<p>Whether or not that&#8217;s just par for the course in thinking about the AAA &#8211;&gt; MLB transition is an interesting question though.</p>
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		<title>By: debaser</title>
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		<dc:creator>debaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops.. I meant to say &quot;Tacoma has yet to play _Nashville_ this year,&quot; not _New Orleans_....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops.. I meant to say &#8220;Tacoma has yet to play _Nashville_ this year,&#8221; not _New Orleans_&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: debaser</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/29/jeff-clement-a-conversation/comment-page-2/#comment-202035</link>
		<dc:creator>debaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 08:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the implication that Clement&#039;s success lately is because top prospect arms are being promoted to the majors at a rate exceeding that of AA to AAA promotions should be challenged, or at least not accepted at face value without some evidence.

Of the elite arms named in post #1, only Gallardo and Lincecum played in the PCL, and Gallardo was called up relatively recently. Tacoma has yet to play New Orleans this year, and Clement held his own against Lincecum-- 2 for 7 with 2 doubles, a walk, and two strikeouts.

Furthermore, there are a number of prospects with major league arms still in the PCL: Ubaldo Jimenez, Humber and Pelfrey from New Orleans, most of the Round Rock rotation, a good number of arms from Omaha, and Eric Hurley just got added to Oklahoma.

I&#039;m just not sure we should buy the underlying assumption-- that AAA generally experiences a depletion of pitching quality from June through August. It&#039;s a narrative that seems to make sense on the surface, but does the evidence support Scout Friend&#039;s assumptions here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the implication that Clement&#8217;s success lately is because top prospect arms are being promoted to the majors at a rate exceeding that of AA to AAA promotions should be challenged, or at least not accepted at face value without some evidence.</p>
<p>Of the elite arms named in post #1, only Gallardo and Lincecum played in the PCL, and Gallardo was called up relatively recently. Tacoma has yet to play New Orleans this year, and Clement held his own against Lincecum&#8211; 2 for 7 with 2 doubles, a walk, and two strikeouts.</p>
<p>Furthermore, there are a number of prospects with major league arms still in the PCL: Ubaldo Jimenez, Humber and Pelfrey from New Orleans, most of the Round Rock rotation, a good number of arms from Omaha, and Eric Hurley just got added to Oklahoma.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just not sure we should buy the underlying assumption&#8211; that AAA generally experiences a depletion of pitching quality from June through August. It&#8217;s a narrative that seems to make sense on the surface, but does the evidence support Scout Friend&#8217;s assumptions here?</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Malph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Malph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hasn’t worked out to bad for Rick Ankiel.&lt;/i&gt;

Bit early to say that.  And you need another &quot;o&quot; in too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hasn’t worked out to bad for Rick Ankiel.</i></p>
<p>Bit early to say that.  And you need another &#8220;o&#8221; in too.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Carruth</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/29/jeff-clement-a-conversation/comment-page-2/#comment-201889</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Carruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is Scout Friend scouting Clement? At Cheney, on the road or a mix? If a mix, how heavy of a mix?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is Scout Friend scouting Clement? At Cheney, on the road or a mix? If a mix, how heavy of a mix?</p>
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		<title>By: Goose</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/29/jeff-clement-a-conversation/comment-page-2/#comment-201888</link>
		<dc:creator>Goose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 03:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Logan has made an appearance. Still touting Brian LaHair as the best prospect in the system? LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Logan has made an appearance. Still touting Brian LaHair as the best prospect in the system? LOL.</p>
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