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	<title>Comments on: Game 81, Mariners at Royals</title>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/04/game-81-mariners-at-royals-2/comment-page-3/#comment-203796</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#98.  I&#039;d say from his username, Bomberboy is someone who wants Ichiro traded to the Yankees for &quot;two solid pitching prospects&quot; -- no doubt not named Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, or Alan Horne.  Yeah, like Ichiro really WANTS to move to that train wreck of a team before all those expensive contracts expire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#98.  I&#8217;d say from his username, Bomberboy is someone who wants Ichiro traded to the Yankees for &#8220;two solid pitching prospects&#8221; &#8212; no doubt not named Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, or Alan Horne.  Yeah, like Ichiro really WANTS to move to that train wreck of a team before all those expensive contracts expire.</p>
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		<title>By: mln</title>
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		<dc:creator>mln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: #9. That YouTube video on Ichiro vs. Hargrove must have been made by Grover himself. Either that or somebody really hates Ichiro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: #9. That YouTube video on Ichiro vs. Hargrove must have been made by Grover himself. Either that or somebody really hates Ichiro.</p>
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		<title>By: bakomariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>bakomariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ichiro should be re-signed at all costs...period...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ichiro should be re-signed at all costs&#8230;period&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/04/game-81-mariners-at-royals-2/comment-page-3/#comment-203782</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Ichiro! is the single reason Hargrove left, then he&#039;s worth &lt;i&gt;much more&lt;/i&gt; than 18M.  That&#039;s called making the team better.  &lt;i&gt;That&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; leadership.

As for trading Ichiro! &quot;while he still has value&quot;: he&#039;s going to command value for some time (his skillset ages well, and he may take better care of himself than anybody in baseball), and not just on the field.  I realize asking you to read all the background material on this site may be like handing a dictionary to a cow, but at least understand the M&#039;s will likely &lt;a href=&quot;http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/20/letting-ichiro-leave-for-nothing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;get as much or more value&lt;/a&gt; if they just let him leave at the end of the season than if they pull off a deadline trade.  Sure, that value is longer-term in the form of draft picks rather than near-MLB arms, but given the FO&#039;s track record, wouldn&#039;t you rather have that value determined by Fontaine draft evaluations than by Bavasi&#039;s trading skills?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Ichiro! is the single reason Hargrove left, then he&#8217;s worth <i>much more</i> than 18M.  That&#8217;s called making the team better.  <i>That&#8217;s</i> leadership.</p>
<p>As for trading Ichiro! &#8220;while he still has value&#8221;: he&#8217;s going to command value for some time (his skillset ages well, and he may take better care of himself than anybody in baseball), and not just on the field.  I realize asking you to read all the background material on this site may be like handing a dictionary to a cow, but at least understand the M&#8217;s will likely <a href="http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/20/letting-ichiro-leave-for-nothing/" rel="nofollow">get as much or more value</a> if they just let him leave at the end of the season than if they pull off a deadline trade.  Sure, that value is longer-term in the form of draft picks rather than near-MLB arms, but given the FO&#8217;s track record, wouldn&#8217;t you rather have that value determined by Fontaine draft evaluations than by Bavasi&#8217;s trading skills?</p>
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		<title>By: IMissBenDavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>IMissBenDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ichiro is worth 18$M. In perspective the the cashola we lavish on Sexson, Beltre, and other players of mediochre/inconsisitent skills, I&#039;d take an always-healthy, always hard-working, always-feared-hitter who will become an ace pitcher when he turns 40. Cy Ichiro!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ichiro is worth 18$M. In perspective the the cashola we lavish on Sexson, Beltre, and other players of mediochre/inconsisitent skills, I&#8217;d take an always-healthy, always hard-working, always-feared-hitter who will become an ace pitcher when he turns 40. Cy Ichiro!</p>
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		<title>By: pygmalion</title>
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		<dc:creator>pygmalion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>98 There is so much wrong with what you say that I don&#039;t know where to start, but can only recommend that you read anything Dave has written recently about trading Ichiro.  

I will ask you one thing though: WHY isn&#039;t Ichiro worth $18 million?  I&#039;m sure that he is worth more than that just in terms of sales of team merchandise, especially in Japan.  (Hint: they aren&#039;t buying Ibanez &quot;Face of the Franchise&quot; jerseys in Tokyo).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>98 There is so much wrong with what you say that I don&#8217;t know where to start, but can only recommend that you read anything Dave has written recently about trading Ichiro.  </p>
<p>I will ask you one thing though: WHY isn&#8217;t Ichiro worth $18 million?  I&#8217;m sure that he is worth more than that just in terms of sales of team merchandise, especially in Japan.  (Hint: they aren&#8217;t buying Ibanez &#8220;Face of the Franchise&#8221; jerseys in Tokyo).</p>
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		<title>By: Carson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, it&#039;s not all that bad. After the two losses, and then a win, we GAINED half a game on the Angels. That makes me feel a hell of a lot better than the way the team took a dump after their last long win streak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, it&#8217;s not all that bad. After the two losses, and then a win, we GAINED half a game on the Angels. That makes me feel a hell of a lot better than the way the team took a dump after their last long win streak.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;trade Ichiro NOW…get two solid pitching prospects and move him…&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;

Because, you know, a team that concerns you about run scoring and gets what you consider winnable pitching is obviously improved by removing their best offensive player and getting zero offense in return, just some minor league arms.

With such deep insight, it&#039;s amazing you&#039;re not writing your OWN popular M&#039;s blog.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>trade Ichiro NOW…get two solid pitching prospects and move him…</i><i></p>
<p>Because, you know, a team that concerns you about run scoring and gets what you consider winnable pitching is obviously improved by removing their best offensive player and getting zero offense in return, just some minor league arms.</p>
<p>With such deep insight, it&#8217;s amazing you&#8217;re not writing your OWN popular M&#8217;s blog.</i></p>
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		<title>By: DKCecil</title>
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		<dc:creator>DKCecil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you just made a whole blog&#039;s worth of enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you just made a whole blog&#8217;s worth of enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Bomberboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bomberboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very concerned about the run scoring ability/inability. See M&#039;s total bases, extra base hits....The team gets more winnable pitching than we give them credit for but the run production is bad, very bad...even during these wins...by the way...trade Ichiro NOW...get two solid pitching prospects and move him...he will cost $18 M per for 4-5 years and will not be worth the money he will tie up....I say move him while he commands some value...and he is not a team guy, he is a stats guy...no leadership at all....probably the single reason why Hargrove left....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very concerned about the run scoring ability/inability. See M&#8217;s total bases, extra base hits&#8230;.The team gets more winnable pitching than we give them credit for but the run production is bad, very bad&#8230;even during these wins&#8230;by the way&#8230;trade Ichiro NOW&#8230;get two solid pitching prospects and move him&#8230;he will cost $18 M per for 4-5 years and will not be worth the money he will tie up&#8230;.I say move him while he commands some value&#8230;and he is not a team guy, he is a stats guy&#8230;no leadership at all&#8230;.probably the single reason why Hargrove left&#8230;.</p>
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