Comments on: Ichiro, $20 million a year http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: joser http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/comment-page-4/#comment-207341 joser Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:55:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/#comment-207341 From TangoTiger's comment (link above #143) I just have to quote:<blockquote>[Ichiro] is 34 years old, an age where you won’t find anyone be able to hit an inside the park HR standing up… ooops. Who knows what age adjustment to apply to this guy. He’s got reverse platoon splits, a fantastic bunter, becomes a CF into his 30s, great with men on base. He’s every sabermetrician’s nightmare, and every fan’s love. The human equivalent of Fenway.</blockquote> Beautiful. From TangoTiger’s comment (link above #143) I just have to quote:
[Ichiro] is 34 years old, an age where you won’t find anyone be able to hit an inside the park HR standing up… ooops. Who knows what age adjustment to apply to this guy. He’s got reverse platoon splits, a fantastic bunter, becomes a CF into his 30s, great with men on base. He’s every sabermetrician’s nightmare, and every fan’s love. The human equivalent of Fenway.

Beautiful.

]]> By: Scotts http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/comment-page-4/#comment-206956 Scotts Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:13:02 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/#comment-206956 Now official per AP. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BBA_MARINERS_SUZUKI?SITE=CAVIC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT Zippity! Now official per AP.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BBA_MARINERS_SUZUKI?SITE=CAVIC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Zippity!

]]> By: tangotiger http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/comment-page-4/#comment-206850 tangotiger Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:54:03 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/#comment-206850 David Samson is one of the two most hated men in Montreal. David Samson is one of the two most hated men in Montreal.

]]> By: Nate http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/comment-page-4/#comment-206823 Nate Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:18:10 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/#comment-206823 interesting whine by Marlins president about this extension. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlb_experts/post/Five-and-Fly-Apocalypse-prediction?urn=mlb,39045 interesting whine by Marlins president about this extension.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlb_experts/post/Five-and-Fly-Apocalypse-prediction?urn=mlb,39045

]]> By: tangotiger http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/comment-page-4/#comment-206555 tangotiger Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:58:43 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/#comment-206555 The fielding spectum I have come up with is: +1.0 C +0.5 SS/CF +0.0 2B/3B -0.5 LF/RF -1.0 1B So, an average fielding SS is worth the same as an above average fielding 2B of +0.5 wins. If Ichiro is +2.0 wins as a RF, he's probably +1.0 wins as a CF. I set DH to either -1.5 or -2.0 The fielding spectum I have come up with is:

+1.0 C
+0.5 SS/CF
+0.0 2B/3B
-0.5 LF/RF
-1.0 1B

So, an average fielding SS is worth the same as an above average fielding 2B of +0.5 wins.

If Ichiro is +2.0 wins as a RF, he’s probably +1.0 wins as a CF.

I set DH to either -1.5 or -2.0

]]> By: nathaniel dawson http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/comment-page-4/#comment-206514 nathaniel dawson Fri, 13 Jul 2007 05:25:55 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/#comment-206514 It's generally called the "Defensive Spectrum", and it goes like this: SS 2B CF C 3B RF LF 1B DH It’s generally called the “Defensive Spectrum”, and it goes like this:

SS
2B
CF
C
3B
RF
LF
1B
DH

]]> By: M's Fan in Red Sox Nation http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/comment-page-4/#comment-206466 M's Fan in Red Sox Nation Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:16:35 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/#comment-206466 #143 - Thank, tangotiger, interesting stuff! #143 – Thank, tangotiger, interesting stuff!

]]> By: joser http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/comment-page-3/#comment-206463 joser Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:04:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/#comment-206463 BTW, did anybody notice that they got the ASG MVP exactly right <a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/2007-all-star-win-probability" rel="nofollow">according to WPA</a>? BTW, did anybody notice that they got the ASG MVP exactly right according to WPA?

]]> By: joser http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/comment-page-3/#comment-206453 joser Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:22:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/#comment-206453 I take the Hafner contract as proof that Ichiro at $100M/5 is a good deal. Vladimir Guerrero got $70/5 (plus a $15 club option) three years ago, and at the time there were concerns (at least in some quarters, mostly by people who hadn't seem him) about his ability to transfer his numbers to the AL; he had also missed part of the previous season due to a back injury, which had to cloud his value too. In retrospect, it's a great deal for the Angels; given the salary inflation and the numbers he's put up since, is there any doubt he'd get more than $100/5 today? I take the Hafner contract as proof that Ichiro at $100M/5 is a good deal. Vladimir Guerrero got $70/5 (plus a $15 club option) three years ago, and at the time there were concerns (at least in some quarters, mostly by people who hadn’t seem him) about his ability to transfer his numbers to the AL; he had also missed part of the previous season due to a back injury, which had to cloud his value too. In retrospect, it’s a great deal for the Angels; given the salary inflation and the numbers he’s put up since, is there any doubt he’d get more than $100/5 today?

]]> By: jayheykid http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/comment-page-3/#comment-206451 jayheykid Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:21:49 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/11/ichiro-20-million-a-year/#comment-206451 I'd like to see more info on position value. Off the top of my head, my view is something like: SP C SS CF / Closer 2B Left-handed RP 1B RP 3B / RF LF DH Add points for batting lefty. I’d like to see more info on position value. Off the top of my head, my view is something like:
SP
C
SS
CF / Closer
2B
Left-handed RP
1B
RP
3B / RF
LF
DH

Add points for batting lefty.

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