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		<title>By: tangotiger</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/23/frustrated-yes/comment-page-4/#comment-211808</link>
		<dc:creator>tangotiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All pitchers, min 400 batters faced, through age 21, since 1957, sorted by OPS+:
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/3V29 

Felix is 54th out of 182 pitchers

However, I prefer this list (since 1901), sorted by K/BB ratio:
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/hMTD   

Felix is 8th behind: Clemens, Sutton, Prior, Gooden, Blyleven, Saberhagen, Vida Blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All pitchers, min 400 batters faced, through age 21, since 1957, sorted by OPS+:<br />
<a href="http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/3V29" rel="nofollow">http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/3V29</a> </p>
<p>Felix is 54th out of 182 pitchers</p>
<p>However, I prefer this list (since 1901), sorted by K/BB ratio:<br />
<a href="http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/hMTD" rel="nofollow">http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/hMTD</a>   </p>
<p>Felix is 8th behind: Clemens, Sutton, Prior, Gooden, Blyleven, Saberhagen, Vida Blue.</p>
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		<title>By: Typical Idiot Fan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/23/frustrated-yes/comment-page-4/#comment-211735</link>
		<dc:creator>Typical Idiot Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re 148:

&lt;strong&gt;To those of you completely overreacting: do you guys freak out this much when one of your stocks or mutual funds has an off day?&lt;/strong&gt;

Define... off... day... because... maybe... yes... just... possibly... maybe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re 148:</p>
<p><strong>To those of you completely overreacting: do you guys freak out this much when one of your stocks or mutual funds has an off day?</strong></p>
<p>Define&#8230; off&#8230; day&#8230; because&#8230; maybe&#8230; yes&#8230; just&#8230; possibly&#8230; maybe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/23/frustrated-yes/comment-page-4/#comment-211715</link>
		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 07:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Dayve is saying what I’ve been saying: the M’s aren’t doing Felix any favors by forcing him to learn at this level. He’d be much better off out of the spotlight in the minors.&lt;/em&gt;

For the millionth time, no. Honestly. It&#039;s like telling a child prodigy that he has to stay in school until he&#039;s 18 before you&#039;ll let him go near a college campus. Eventually, he&#039;ll run out of things to do in high school. 

&lt;em&gt;The other issue, that I’m not seeing addressed, is his poor mechanics. It would be truly horrible if Felix blows out his shoulder at a young age and never gets to have a career at all.&lt;/em&gt;

You mean like Tim Lincecum&#039;s poor mechanics, with all those hitches? And yet, no one will suggest that he&#039;s a disaster waiting to happen.

You just don&#039;t know with pitching mechanics. Some kids with perfect mechanics at 18 end up with frayed labrums at 21. Some kids with gawd-awful mechanics end up with major league pensions. 

Leaving Felix in the minors to &quot;fix his mechanics&quot; is silly when they can be fixed at the major league level, and if he blows out his arm in Tacoma you still don&#039;t have him in Seattle. Leaving Felix in the minors because &quot;he has more to learn&quot; is dumb because the minors has nothing left to teach him that can&#039;t be taught at the major league level.

And one more thing: You send him to Tacoma until September, you&#039;re effectively conceding the season. Without Felix, you&#039;re hoping that Baek can come back better than before or that Feierabend can suddenly become a consistent major league pitcher.

Sending Felix to languish in Tacoma is far, far dumber than leaving Adam Jones to languish down there.

Just stop the meme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Dayve is saying what I’ve been saying: the M’s aren’t doing Felix any favors by forcing him to learn at this level. He’d be much better off out of the spotlight in the minors.</em></p>
<p>For the millionth time, no. Honestly. It&#8217;s like telling a child prodigy that he has to stay in school until he&#8217;s 18 before you&#8217;ll let him go near a college campus. Eventually, he&#8217;ll run out of things to do in high school. </p>
<p><em>The other issue, that I’m not seeing addressed, is his poor mechanics. It would be truly horrible if Felix blows out his shoulder at a young age and never gets to have a career at all.</em></p>
<p>You mean like Tim Lincecum&#8217;s poor mechanics, with all those hitches? And yet, no one will suggest that he&#8217;s a disaster waiting to happen.</p>
<p>You just don&#8217;t know with pitching mechanics. Some kids with perfect mechanics at 18 end up with frayed labrums at 21. Some kids with gawd-awful mechanics end up with major league pensions. </p>
<p>Leaving Felix in the minors to &#8220;fix his mechanics&#8221; is silly when they can be fixed at the major league level, and if he blows out his arm in Tacoma you still don&#8217;t have him in Seattle. Leaving Felix in the minors because &#8220;he has more to learn&#8221; is dumb because the minors has nothing left to teach him that can&#8217;t be taught at the major league level.</p>
<p>And one more thing: You send him to Tacoma until September, you&#8217;re effectively conceding the season. Without Felix, you&#8217;re hoping that Baek can come back better than before or that Feierabend can suddenly become a consistent major league pitcher.</p>
<p>Sending Felix to languish in Tacoma is far, far dumber than leaving Adam Jones to languish down there.</p>
<p>Just stop the meme.</p>
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		<title>By: John in L.A.</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/23/frustrated-yes/comment-page-4/#comment-211433</link>
		<dc:creator>John in L.A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... people really want to send Felix to the minors? For reals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; people really want to send Felix to the minors? For reals?</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/23/frustrated-yes/comment-page-4/#comment-211348</link>
		<dc:creator>terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like it or not, Felix is a major league pitcher. His days as a prospect are long gone.

I&#039;m not sure how this is even an issue at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like it or not, Felix is a major league pitcher. His days as a prospect are long gone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how this is even an issue at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Dayve is saying what I’ve been saying: the M’s aren’t doing Felix any favors by forcing him to learn at this level. He’d be much better off out of the spotlight in the minors. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, I think the exact opposite. He&#039;s not going to learn any technique or strategy if he always has the option of rarin&#039; back and blowing them away with sheer talent. And that means he&#039;s going to be learning it in the majors, because he CAN&#039;T learn it in the minors, spotlight or no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Dayve is saying what I’ve been saying: the M’s aren’t doing Felix any favors by forcing him to learn at this level. He’d be much better off out of the spotlight in the minors. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I think the exact opposite. He&#8217;s not going to learn any technique or strategy if he always has the option of rarin&#8217; back and blowing them away with sheer talent. And that means he&#8217;s going to be learning it in the majors, because he CAN&#8217;T learn it in the minors, spotlight or no.</p>
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		<title>By: beckya57</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/07/23/frustrated-yes/comment-page-4/#comment-211296</link>
		<dc:creator>beckya57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dayve is saying what I&#039;ve been saying: the M&#039;s aren&#039;t doing Felix any favors by forcing him to learn at this level.  He&#039;d be much better off out of the spotlight in the minors.  (I note most of the pitchers on the list in the original post were in the minors at this age.)  The other issue, that I&#039;m not seeing addressed, is his poor mechanics.  It would be truly horrible if Felix blows out his shoulder at a young age and never gets to have a career at all.  That&#039;s the other reason I think he should be in the minors; he could work with the coaches on improving his mechanics (and his pitch selection, and emotion management).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dayve is saying what I&#8217;ve been saying: the M&#8217;s aren&#8217;t doing Felix any favors by forcing him to learn at this level.  He&#8217;d be much better off out of the spotlight in the minors.  (I note most of the pitchers on the list in the original post were in the minors at this age.)  The other issue, that I&#8217;m not seeing addressed, is his poor mechanics.  It would be truly horrible if Felix blows out his shoulder at a young age and never gets to have a career at all.  That&#8217;s the other reason I think he should be in the minors; he could work with the coaches on improving his mechanics (and his pitch selection, and emotion management).</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
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		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Although I don’t ever recall Dave using that as an excuse, but I’m sure if he did, he probably had LOGICAL argument to back it up.&lt;/em&gt;

I believe it initially came up with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA200705150.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this game&lt;/a&gt;, where the Angels had three of the weirdest infield singles you&#039;ll ever see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Although I don’t ever recall Dave using that as an excuse, but I’m sure if he did, he probably had LOGICAL argument to back it up.</em></p>
<p>I believe it initially came up with <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA200705150.shtml" rel="nofollow">this game</a>, where the Angels had three of the weirdest infield singles you&#8217;ll ever see.</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
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		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;To those of you completely overreacting: do you guys freak out this much when one of your stocks or mutual funds has an off day?&lt;/em&gt;

For them, it&#039;s more like &quot;COME ON!!! The e-mail SWORE that SGN was going to hit $5 by the end of the week! It was SURE to rocket! That&#039;s why I bought 10,000 shares at only 90 cents apiece!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>To those of you completely overreacting: do you guys freak out this much when one of your stocks or mutual funds has an off day?</em></p>
<p>For them, it&#8217;s more like &#8220;COME ON!!! The e-mail SWORE that SGN was going to hit $5 by the end of the week! It was SURE to rocket! That&#8217;s why I bought 10,000 shares at only 90 cents apiece!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DizzleChizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>DizzleChizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>146 Thanks for the explanation, but it would have been better hearing it from Dave.  Although I don&#039;t ever recall Dave using that as an excuse, but I&#039;m sure if he did, he probably had LOGICAL argument to back it up.  I however have heard other people in here using that as excuse on more than one occasion.  I&#039;ll go back to conforming now Dave, every now and then I get out of line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>146 Thanks for the explanation, but it would have been better hearing it from Dave.  Although I don&#8217;t ever recall Dave using that as an excuse, but I&#8217;m sure if he did, he probably had LOGICAL argument to back it up.  I however have heard other people in here using that as excuse on more than one occasion.  I&#8217;ll go back to conforming now Dave, every now and then I get out of line.</p>
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