Game 100, A’s at Mariners
Dave · July 26, 2007 at 6:26 pm · Filed Under Mariners
Haren vs Weaver, 7:05 pm.
I don’t have it in me to root for this team tonight. Six straight losses, return of the ridiculous line-up, Ibanez still in left, obvious moves to help the team still not made. Whatever.
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You sound bitter
agreed
I don’t blame you… Dave, you are gonna kill me for this but wouldn’t Jeremy Reed even be an upgrade over Raul in LF at this point?
what would be better overall, both offensively and defensively: ellison or ibanez?
No. 3, but if you’re going to call someone up, why wouldn’t you get the bat AND the glove? Putting Reed in the lineup and sitting Vidro would be a net loss, offensively, as at least Vidro can set the table. I’m with Dave — where’s Adam Jones?
So, are we all still sold that McLaren is an upgrade over Hargrove?
Dan Haren is on my fantasy team. My team is sinking beneath the waves. Therefore, I can just about guarantee an M’s win tonight.
5- I’m not advocating calling up Reed, I’m merely curious how far down the list of minor league outfielders we have to go before we decide we’re better off with Raul out there.
I’m wondering: Would being an Aqua Sox fan be an upgrade over being a Mariners fan right now?
dw/7 — me too. I also have Felix. Grr.
Would Julio Franco be an upgrade over Richie Sexson?
Would Doris Kearns Goodwin be an upgrade over Raul Ibanez?
Would Jerramy Stevens be an upgrade over Julio Mateo?
Would anything funny written by DMZ or Dave be an upgrade over that awful thing that passed for “humor” in today’s P-I?
Is Mike Morse still hurt? Why is it that the only prospect the M’s have brought up in recent memory that could show any ability to hit consistently is stuck in AAA? I know he doesn’t really have a position, but it’s not like we have a stud DH or anything.
Wait, that last question isn’t even worth debating.
Dave-
Couldn’t agree with you more…friend of mine was telling me ‘M’s have the lead in the 8th’ and I told him ‘watch, they’ll find a new way to blow it’, and, sure enough, they did.
I am beyond tired of laboring the point that Vidro needs to be benched, that Jones should be playing every day, that the lineups are ridiculously bad night in and night out.
The coaching staff and management are not giving this team the best chance to win.
dw Says:
Would Julio Franco be an upgrade over Richie Sexson?
Would Doris Kearns Goodwin be an upgrade over Raul Ibanez?
Would Jerramy Stevens be an upgrade over Julio Mateo?
That’s good thinking. How about Adam Jones for Julio Franco? Straight across. Then maybe we can sign Julio to a multi year deal.
They’re due.
statistically speaking, of course
Exactly as I feared… the way in which we lost last night has completely given these guys the wrong thing to fixate on.
That was the worst case scenario – lose the game, but lose in a way that allows the idiots to continue to justify not bringing up AJ.
It sucks to lose AND not make progress toward change.
Oh, gem: “You have to give Texas Pitchers credit.” No, I don’t.
Ichiro is the one player where it is worth mentioning hitting troubles? Yeah, Ichiro is the problem.
Yay enthusiasm!!! Go Mariners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Last 2 times they had a 6 game losing streak they ran off 8 game winning streaks if I am not mistaken. History do you thing!
Two-thirds of Dan Haren’s losses this season have come against the Mariners, so the M’s should win this one easily. That’s my statistical analysis.
Seriously, though, I’m gonna stay positive for at least another week. There have been too many terrible M’s seasons recently to keep me from loving this one, even if the front office is maddeningly frustrating. Go M’s!
What’s this PI piece we’re talking about? I’m not finding it for some reason.
13 – You react to the question as if Morse were the worst prospect you’ve ever seen. I get it that he doesn’t have a spot on this team and I get it that it would take an incredible amount of injuries before he would have a spot, but he did produce while he was here and I never really heard a good reason why they didn’t want him around. But, the more I think about this the farther I get from the topic so I’ll save it for another day.
23: Bad defense + no power + steroids = no spot.
Mariner OPS against RHP:
Burke .880
Ichiro .849
Beltre .830
Ral .788
Broussard .781
Vidro .746
Ellison .714
Lopez .703
Sexson .694
Guillen .684
Kenji .659
Willie .648
Yuni .626
I’m waiting to see who is batting second, third, and fourth tonight. I’m guessing it won’t make any sense.
23:
I don’t think 13 was talking to you.
I wonder what the MLB record is for consecutive losses by one run. Maybe we can break it during this stretch.
25 – At this point I wouldn’t be surprised to see Willie batting second, Yuni third and Kenji fourth.
Paul — I love the lack of a “U” in the name of Mr StumbleGlove
I’m going to try a little something different for this thread tonight. Instead of the “oh crap” stuff that just gets us all pissed off and/or depressed, I’m going to channel Rick Rizz for all of you and say this:
Big series this weekend against Oakland. Play some good ball, win 3 out of 4, and when the Halos come to town for the BIG series we could be maybe just games back.
Here’s some positives:
* Last night Ibanez appeared to be getting out of his slump
* Putz finally has the pressure of the “perfect season” off
* Sexson is showing some signs of coming to life
* Starting fresh with a homestand should wake up Yuni and Lopez from the doldrums
* Weaver has been keeping us in ballgames (except one) since he came back from the DL
* We may have lost 6 in a row but over the past 10 games the Angels have the same 3-7 record as us – so we really have lost any ground
* There are still over two months left
* Cleveland and Detroit are struggling as well, and they have much better line-ups than we do. So lets not feel so bad
Now back to your regularly doom and gloom. Time to go watch the beginning of the 8-2 homestand.
15-
I was thinking about that possibility earlier… Julio does bring a veteran bat to the team and you CANNOT discount his leadership and clubhouse presence.
got it
I’m glad “special” people like me are allowed to contribute as well.
But we should be using OPS+ to get the field adjustment (especially if we’re looking at RH/LH splits).
Number 29
One thing… the Yanks are coming on strong now though. I think we’d have to win the division in order to make the playoffs. This year, the playoffs wont come through Seattle. But that’s alright, I didn’t think it would anyhow.
Guillen is hitting 4th, of course. Even though he hits righties worse that Sexson. And Sexson hits them 100 OPS points lower than our other firstbaseman who is on the bench.
But we should be using OPS+ to get the field adjustment (especially if we’re looking at RH/LH splits).
Knock yourself out.
But the M’s players all play in the same park on any given night. And since most of them are regulars, …
Couldn’t agree with you more…friend of mine was telling me ‘M’s have the lead in the 8th’ and I told him ‘watch, they’ll find a new way to blow it’, and, sure enough, they did.
It’s like Washington State football! (Sorry, but sitting at the bar last night when JJ Putz gave up the HR I really heard someone behind me yell “And they coug it!”)
34 – Yes they are back in the hunt. But “Rizz” wouldn’t talk about them because they would ruin the positivity he’s trying to instill in us.
In honor of team unity I will be shaving my back and covering no ground in LF tonight. I will be attending the game tomorrow in full throat whether we win or not because I love my M’s. I also will be taking somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 of those Missing Adam Jones posters, that Sports on a Schtick gave us, to the game and posting them all over the right field portion of the stadium.
I feel stupid for asking this, but what happens to the rosters in September? Do they expand?
And…a gift from the HP ump to start the game!
uh oh
Two-thirds of Dan Haren’s losses this season have come against the Mariners, so the M’s should win this one easily. That’s my statistical analysis.
Well, if Blanton has managed to torment the M’s for entire seasons in the past, why not? It’s not statistically valid, but once the game starts it’s all about hope, right?
Knock yourself out.
You know, I started to right after I posted that and then I stopped and said “Wait, what am I doing?” :s
when I saw Morse at Safeco a month ago he was still in a cast …
I can’t hear Piazza anymore without rhyming it with “hide the matzoh.”
Looks like Bad Weaver is back.
Please please please don’t decide to revert to “Bad Weaver” tonight….
Neihaus calls Nick Swisher “Steve” and Weaver gives up a 1st inning run. This can only mean one thing: All is right in the world again. The M’s will win 7-3.
But weaver of course needs to pull him self together here.
Just what the f’ing doctor ordered.
nice
Wow that was extremely close.
Not bad, Richie.
That’s crap….smokin hot Asian chicks never work at burger joints.
That’s a whole lotta Suzuki at home plate.
Friggin Steve.
If Ichiro ends up with 2500 hits. Is he a HOF?
Absolutely
It’s not totally out of the question.
“reminiscing of edgar days ” este caliente, mr double
With all the lineup changes, why has Raul not moved? He has to be one of the worst #3 hitters in all of baseball
Make Haren throw a lot of pitches, guys.
Welcome back Adrian, please make yourself comfortable, stay as long as you’d like!
Raul, way to not make an out!
61, on this team, he doesn’t hit righties half bad. Against lefties though, he’s the equivalent of the worst hitters in baseball, and he should never come to bat against a lefty.
Wow, he just missed that one huh, angry kid
It’s tough to look cool throwin your bat.
Now, the guy who shouldn’t be in the lineup tonight is hiting fourth.
40: Yeah, from 25 to 40.
Vidro the weakest hitting 5 hitter of all time.
Sexson isn’t hitting fourth tonight…
are you kidding me?
Wow, Vidro up with the a dp ready to go, but he can’t get one because there are already two outs. Frustration!
Wow…Vidro looked like a roly poly.
That was comedy!
71, good point. Two guys that shouldn’t be in the lineup against righties.
Vidro’s new music has got to be the “Chariots of Fire” theme after that bit of running =)
9 years ago he beats that out.
Too bad he wasn’t safe, there would have been more joy in watching that tumble..
I guess Ben Broussard made far too much sense for McLaren to start him vs the righty
Didn’t we watch this game yesterday?
Absolutely 58
BAD WEAVER!! THATS A BAD WEAVER!!!
Welcome back, Jeff Weaver!
Adam Jones would have caught that…
duuuuuude…that baaaaaall…went like a loooooooooooooong way…..
I feel sorry for Weaver. He’s got to be thinking that he has already given up more runs than his team is likely to score.
Well, better warm someone up.
Weaver is horrible. I knew it was too good to be true.
“They come out hacking today.”
It’s not hacking when you’re hammering meatballs.
Is weaver throwing softballs?
Raul must be winded from those few short runs.
nope, just longballs.
I can’t believe Raul caught that one.
My real fear is that Bavasi is retained as GM–although what the next one can do, other than bring up Jones, is not clear. I think we have Sexson, Vidro, and Ibanez under contract for next year.
What kind of COntract does horrible ramirez have?
It’s your diehard Mariners fan watching the game from down here in Oakland…and about to pull and Elvis and blow away the TV. Weaver…Why? Why? Why?
Anybody want to predict the final score? I’m going with 11-0.
Maybe this is Weaver’s sick ideal of exacting revenge for the lack of run support he received the last time he pitched?
I think we have Sexson, Vidro, and Ibanez under contract for next year.
And we are trying to sign Guillen, a guy that only hits lefties and has bad wheels, to a long term deal.
That said, it doesn’t mean that the next GM has to keep all 4 of them. They can always release 1 to 4 of them and just eat the contract. It’s been done before.
*97, u should of used a kurt reference there.
98 – 11-3, as richie and raul will homer in the ninth to give more false hope to the FO
#100
I hope you are right–but that is why I think getting rid of Bavasi is only the first step. They have to get rid of Lincoln too, because he does not seem to understand the idea of sunk costs.
97, 101 or a Budd Dwyer reference..he who inspired “hey man, nice shot!”
100- a great nugget from Bavasi on signing Guillen to a two year extention:
“I know he’s got another gear,” Bavasi said. “He knows he has another gear. And I know that because he told me and I believe him. He’s just got to get there.”
Great way to evaluate the talent, Bumbling Bill!
I have another gear, maybe i should play for the m’s, anyone have bavasi’s number?
102 – I can already hear the “raul and richie are showing signs of breaking out” spin they will put on it if that happens.
RICHIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
105 – Please tell me thats a joke…
richie’s homer is a fluke..he will have two more all year.
Richie must really like Dan Haren, the man who served him up the original Funk Blast (with some help from Bobby Crosby, of course).
“Hey kids, maybe the Mariner’s just don’t have enough money to employ anyone who knows jack about stats/player analysis”
“I betcha we could raise some money, we could… put a show on in my Dads barn, Sure!”
“Yeah! DMZ could tell some jokes, Dave could maybe do a little analysis, and we could all sing a song, maybe ‘AJ, my AJ, where for art thou’ “.
“Sure! That could raise some cash money really quick! I only hope it’ll be enough to save the Mariner farm! Lets do it!”
(Apologies to the young Judy Garland , Andy Rooney, and all USSM participants under the age of 45.)
free Jamie Burke!!
101, 104…Very nice references. Luckily, the inning ended and I am still with the living. Sexson just hit one out. Reason to believe?
Reported by our good friend, Mr. Baker, in the Times.
Lopez looks like a midget.
110 – Richie decided not to wait for the ninth, but the point remains that we better be prepared for all the propoganda thats gonna come from the FO about those two…
116- and he runs like someone tied his legs together at his knees!
when was the last time our lineup was turned over in the second inning..i’m a non-believer.
why does he swing at crap in the dirt everydamn time.
105- Maybe he does have another gear. He may not have had to put it in 1-low yet.
First and third with one of our best hitters up, that is a good thing even if he makes an out.
anyone notice all the wierd things that Beltre does at the plate, all the bat flips.
105/115 – Thanks for those comments. I feel so much better about our GM situation. I really trust that he knows what hes doing…
105 Made me throw up in my mouth… twice.
Well, Jeff “I pitch like I’m throwing hams at wolves” Weaver is about to come back out…Does anything more really need to be said?
I went out of town at the begining of the Tex. series, and I was wondering how our pitchers are? I know that double header had to use up some arms, so whose available tonight?
wtf was that? ill take it!
Lowe is avail
When things go Weavers way they really do, i.e. that play and the WS last year.
When they don’t they really don’t, i.e. every start before the DL and the rest of his career.
So, who is “Don Sulton”?
How slow do you have to be to not get to the base?
Tom Searer???
Don Sulton???
The FSN graphics guy must have given up, too.
Somebody tell Weaver that is not the ideal way to field his position.
Lol makin hockey references now huh? whats next cricket!
Nice Catch!
Ichiro might not dive, but he leaps!
After all that talk earlier about Ichiro maybe being a marginal center fielder.. he spits in our faces!
Holy Smokes what a play
He better smile cuz ichiro just saved his ass again, he better buy ichiro dinner or something cuz other wise…BAD WEAVER!!!
That was a great catch.
Wow, great catch.
I would debate the “graceful” though. It’s hard to be graceful when you’re slamming into a solid wall at high speed.
Outfield Defense!!!!!!!!!
Well, Richie made contact anyway. I’ll be happy as heck if he keeps putting into play. Better than striking out all the time.
OMG My cable box just went out
DAMN COMCAST
I will be happy when he stops swinging at the first pitch for a easy ground out. A K would have made Haren throw at least 3 pitches.
at least Kenji can’t get into a DP this inning
FIgures, i think burke needs more playing time, its getting fustrating watching kenji wiff and dp all the time.
Chase Utley broke his hand. Maybe they’ll take Vidro and give us Moyer back. Or maybe they’ll just take Vidro and give us a thank you.
godamnit
That was crushed.
Damn you Steve Swisher
Hits better than that hairball Nick.
Dammit Weaver!
Beltre!!
Thanks for showing up tonight Raul
GARBAGE
Adam jones would of hit a double in that situation.
Anyone else recognize Ibanez and Bavasi may be long lost twins?
When will AB finally be ready to go back into the three hole? A small piece of me dies with every Raul at bat
Come on, Turbo!
Everytime Raul gets an AB god kills a USSM member.
Is that Vern Fonk?
At this point I feel that the Mariners will lose 12 in a row, each by one run. Whatever happened to our nifty RISP batting average? (Answer: regression…)
Jones could of cut that off.
Simms thinks the A’s O has been struggling? has he been drunk the last week of Mariners games?
why do they always give the rally fries in the wrong half of the inning?!?!
Mariners Mantra: If it doesn’t make sense, DO IT
167- Haven’t we all? Is there another way to watch the Mariners struggle?
169- now there is a t-shirt idea
170 – I wonder if I could prove a correlation between watching the Mariners and alcoholism/drug use…
171 – Who could we put on there? theres too many choices, mine being Scott Spezio, but maybe it could be like the train set and be a season long theme where theres a monthly shirt of an absurd M’s move…
What was that, the Blair Witch Cameraman? Sheesh.
LOWE! If that was a correct lip reading and it wasn’t he said O! We waiting for Lowe to put him self in a game, pinch run or something?
Weaver not a bad night, please I prey you are done though. I don’t need to see that ugly mug on the field for another 5 days. Go thank Ichiro if you haven’t already.
how can our guys get rolling if they call strikes 6 inches off the plate?
… or they swing at balls int the dirt?
I have the sinking feeling we missed our one chance to score waaay back when two were left sadly on base ….
176 – Thats Mariners hitter’s favorite pitch
Let’s hear it for the Rally Fries!!!
179 – they weren’t swinging. The UMP called it a strike then Joe’s Tracer showed it at least 6 inches inside
well, i think im goin to get drunk that way at least i can be happy about something.
yup, reitsma, its over again.
181 – I think the ump was used to calling strike on those kind of pitches and realized too late he didn’t swing…
Ya it is the O-ffence, cuz all we see is OOOO
Well, as far as i can tell, from watching Raul’s AVG plummet day by day, is that the only way the mariners are going to bring up AJ is if Raul gets hurt, other wise were goin to sit here and wait for raul to “breakout” of his slump, in return we might get a week of production, then back to k’s and dp’s.
even if Raul gets hurt, they’ll probably just sit him for a few days like they did earlier in the year… AJ should have been up back in June!
here we go, lets see what happens, maybe he will ” breakout” like rizz and sims are chatting about all time.
What was that familiar sounding music Ibanez just came out to? Something from a movie…
Walk Beltre to get to Ibanez? This Haren guy is pretty smart.
predictable… unfortunately
OMFG im am soooo sick of this crap, everyday. We should boycot safeco.
I wish people who went to Mariner’s games were actual fans… Even the front office wouldn’t be able to block out the boo’s that Raul deserves right now.
Edit to comment 190. Haren is a genious!
Therse a bunch of damn women at safeco right now, knitting, you wouldnt hear boo’s if it said it on the boards.
Raul got booed hardcore..my buddy is at the game…but damn…what the hell does Ibanez have to do and Adam Jones have to do to make someone say ‘hmmmm’
Raul should just ask to be benched if he wants to help out the team. Thats the only way its going happen.
Guillen looked a little annoyed there. Oh well. Go Ichiro.
The whole knitting thing bothers me a lot (and my girlfriend knits). It’s a bad thing to encourage people in the stands to be distracted from the game, for safet reasons. How long will it take for a knitter to be nailed with a foul ball or bat?
Safety, even. Stupid laptop keyboard.
Well there’s nothing Adam could do, as he’s done everything he could possibly do to get called up… on Raul’s end, he needs to pull a Julio Mateo and get in trouble so we could send him down
What gives McLaren? Down by a run in the 8th a couple of nights ago and you put Reitsma on the mound. Down by a run today and you elect not to use Reitsma in 8th? You’ve been pretty consistent with putting the same crap lineup out there every day so why not just stick Reitsma out there again tonight?
/clap *197 *196
i wish i was right above the dugout, i would make a sign that said “Hey raul, wanna help out the team! bench yourself”
Lucky
198 If Guillen is concerned about that play then somebody should mention to him that they are about to lose their 7th game in a row because his priorities are all effed up.
Hey, that was a really smart play by Lopez there. And Chavez knew he was toast as soon as Jose threw it to first.
201- Great plan. We get him drunk and then try to force him to pick a fight, or if that doesn’t work convince him to drive home and call the cops. A DUI or assault charge would force the Mariners to dump him. Or maybe the DUI only works with good players.
You never know, chavez could of pulled an Arod and karate chopped at the ball.
199 – I’m pretty sure the knitters are not in premium seats. It’s just a way to fill some cheap seats on a Thursday night game. Just a goofy promotion.
I don’t much about knitting, but are the old ladies experts and rarely even look down once they get on a roll? Maybe it’s management’s way to show Raul what his new career is going to be VERY soon.
Guillen, Vidro, and Sexson..not looking good guys and gals.
203 – I tried yelling from the bullpen area that he should act hurt so he didnt have to face the lefty the next day. He turned so I know he heard me, but sadly he didn’t listen. I don’t usually yell at my own team, but he pushed me to that point
I thought it was the bottom of 9th already.
212- might as well be
I’m not mad at Raul, he’s not the one that is supposed to be calling up Adam Jones.
I just want a number, Bill… how many losses before you pull your head out of your Gillick? What am I rooting for here?
Freaking ridiculous.
207 – As Fans of the Mariners I believe it is our duty to do it. Or we could photoshop some pictures of him clubbing baby seals and send em to the front office…
Great, so they all cut their hair. I guess we’ll see how far chemistry can take a team!
Well, it’s true that many of the good knitters can do basic stitch entirely by feel, but all the complex stuff requires some watching to ensure even sized throws and such.
Unless I was in the very highest bleachers I think I’d always be a bit worried about a high foul tip or other circumstance sending an object my way. Plus, I’m there to watch the game, anyway.
maybe they should have spent that extra time in batting practice instead…
just our luck huh godamnit.
Dang. That sucked the life out of me.
I think that was exactly all the power Turbo’s got.
No, Dave Sims, I’m pretty sure Vidro DID get all of it.
Wheres our fan that catches home runs like the cubs got?
I know a couple guys we could use that have HR potential…another 1 run loss huh?
Ya know. I will give Vidro credit there. That may have been his best at bat of the year, that ended up as an out. He was swinging hard, and that would have been a home run in almost any other park.
Result? Out. But, there was no way he was grounding out with the cuts he made there.
Sexson don’t you dare strike out or hit a weak ass…GODDAMMIT!
I’m surprised the guy who called Richie Sexson a “$12million/year mulleted sasquatch” in last night’s game blog hasn’t noticed that the mullet is gone!!
Yeah, I came downstairs from watching the game just to post this little nugget. Our Samson has been shorn…
How many crappy pitchers have the Mariners made look good? If I were a kid fresh out the farm system I would love to have to face us
Are you serious Sexson?
Someone, please make the pain stop.
Rietsma? I hate McClaren. I can’t believe I want Hargrove back.
Does the front office live in the Twilight zone? Ben Broussard doesn’t get to start because he’s a good pinch hitter? WHAT? AJ doesn’t get to come up because we dont want to hurt Raul’s feelings? WHAT? I really cannot think of any reason why this continues other then that
Mac, dead set on not losing another 1 run ballgame, brings in Reitsma.
230- Reitsma will end the pain quickly here.
Maybe he’s a reverse Samson…
Having O’Flaherty, the 6-0 win vulture is a good sign of things to come? We will find out shortly
You have got to be kidding me. Reitsma again??
234 Wouldn’t Reitsma prolong the pain? Unless of course you were being sarcastic.
Are they afraid of using Lowe or something?
ok ok ill predict the 9th inning, Kenji = k, lopez = ground out, yuni = pop to catcher.
How many times will we have to see Reitsma before he gets DFA’d?
John “I use to think it didn’t matter what deodorant I used, DUMB!” McLaren at the helm has been more then a disappointment so far.
Reitsma now 9K/7BB in 24 appearances. Thats SUCKTASTIC!
Lowe is never going to pitch at the rate were going, Mac said he wants to put him in when we have an easy situation for him to pitch, not these 1 and 2 run debocle games.
Actually I like Kenji=popout lopez=k and yuni= ground out
yuni will get PH for by Broussard
238- No, I define 1 run losses as pain, not 3 run losses. Which are obviously coming when your worst reliever is in. You know its coming, unlike what happened to JJ. That was painful.
Imagine what Soriano would be doing right now if he was still with us, we probably wouldnt be sick to our stomachs like we are right now.
Will the As bring in Embree?
Upcoming career vs Embree
Johjima: 1/2 with a 2b
Lopez: 1/1
Yuni: 0/1
Ichiro: 3/9
Beltre: 1/10
Jesus, Reitsma.
How do you leave him in for another batter?
What is wrong with these people?
245 you’re right Broussard=flyout
DFA DFA DFA DFA
I’ve had it!
I’ve been trying to be positive for weeks on this site. I’ve been saying we’ll turn this around and we’re still in it.
But the eternal optimist in me is dying out with every Ibanez and Johjima AB; with every over swing by Guillen and with every 0-2 hole about 6 of our batters start each AB with.
This team just looks so lost right now and our manager and FO have shown their cards. Their philosophy is “stick with the veterans because they will eventually hit to their average” is driving me crazy.
At what point do you finally say “we need some new blood in the clubhouse to get this thing going again?”
A 5th straight one run loss just tells management that we “are one key hit away” from winning these games – so they will not make any changes!!!!
Ahhhhh. I can’t take it. Maybe I should take up knitting!
I don’t know how Mac could not have predicted that outcome. Does he even watch his team play?
“Coaching visit to mound”
Ya think?
&*$#^*^!
C’mon, lets be positive here!
Let’s see. It’s the top of the ninth at home, and you don’t have the lead. So, it is impossible to get a save, which also means “setup man” means nothing. You can choose from JJ Putz, Sean Green, George Sherrill, or Mark Lowe. And.. you pick Chris Reistma.
This is a laugh riot. The 3 batters he’s facing are a combined 0 for 8 and he’s managed to allow two of them on base.
#254 Well, at least it wasn’t Chaves going out there to tell Reitsma to “settle down, go right after them!” Like Bender says, look at the bright side.
McLaren says he wants Reitsma to be the setup man no matter how hard Chris tries to prove that he can’t
The good news is that with runners on, Opponents Batting Avg off of Sherrill is .094
Think positive people!
Just got back from a poorly played 18 holes of Frisbee golf. I see I haven’t missed much. Nice George!
He smiles when he strikes out cuz he knows that he’s still going to win.
258 – The only bright side I can think of is that if GS can come in here and bail out our manager’s dumb self, maybe, just maybe, he’ll think of him first next time.
I’m positive now that McLaren put in one of our best relievers. I’m sorry but I can’t be so positive about our offense though… especially since We’ll make Embree look like Dennis Eckersly
Oh, please, George… your very future could hinge on this one at bat with these numbskulls making the decisions.
Speaking of hairiness, it looks like someone Photoshopped Nick Swisher’s MLB picture. He was pretty shaggy early this season, then got his hair all cut off. The picture has no background, as if someone Photoshopped all the excess hair and the background out.
Have you guys seen the Seahawks home schedule this year? There are some good games to look forward to:
Cincy, Chicago, New Orleans, Baltimore, St. Louis, San Fran. I can’t wait.
And if this becomes the lost weekend at The Safe we can all start looking forward because it will be OVER.
2-2-2 I think of Vin Scully, “Deuces are wild!”
26 year old nolan ryan.
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Dammit.
Pitcher’s park my ass.
And that’s the ballgame.
There’s just no way we can win a baseball game, is there?
You have got to be shitting me.
Oh well, at least this will make our comeback all the better, right guys?
Right?
This haircutting thing works better for them than for our guys, evidently….
Fuck my ass… glad I won’t be able to watch them over the weekend.
The problem here is, McLaren now won’t use Sherrill for anything except lefties, but that was absolutely Reistma’s fault, not George’s.
Well, that sucks. Talk about sending the wrong message to these guys. Poo.
Double poo.
Thanks for the baserunners Reitsma!
HAHAH…Mariners suck…Trade Ibanez, Sexson and Jose Guillen..Fire sale time
Nothing is going right… even the Governor can’t get it done. The past seven games have all been the worst case scenario.
Thanks Steve Swisher, at least we won’t lose by one run again
Time to think about getting in on the trade market. I mean trading some guys who have value who are blocking our AAA players. Jose Guillen anyone? Jeff Weaver?
What’s the point of keeping these FAs to be?
Watch this, they will score the 1 run they needed and then thats it.
Regarding my post at 267:
Right after I sent it I checked my e-mails and noticed I received one from the Seahawks saying my season tickets will be here tomorrow. Simultaneously as I was reading that Swisher goes yard.
Coincidence? I think not!
Carson, John in LA – This is a perfect example of how managers make their useless notebook of matchups.
278 yup
At this point I don’t know who’s the bigger joke in baseball. The Devil Rays or the Mariners. I say the Mariners because at least the Devil Ray don’t try to pretend to be a good team.
hmm… Maybe, now this might be crazy but hear me out, but just maybe we should have left O’Flaherty in, as he was pitching well, but, again, that would make sense so as Mariners Mantra goes that wouldn’t happen
Here comes an Adam Jones/Jason Ellison trade for Jon Rausch/Chad Cordero.
add Raul and horam and rietsma
Something needs to change around here. Big time. And soon.
Asif that hasnt been said a few thousand times.
“Wouldn’t you know it. We’re on the road to winning and we get interrupted. But for guys like us with BD…”
(that’s baseball dysfunction)
lol they are booing street
Lauren – Is there a pill for BD?
BTW – I wrote a letter to Bill Bavasi thanking him for ruining our seaon.
No young talent traded please..trade the old pieces..I know its coming…a Wlad for a washed up arm…some shit like that. I swear I’m gonna burn down Safeco if they do that shit
296- but thats what the mariners do, and have always done. why change it now..
I was going to write a long post about how this site has gone down hill the last couple of years with inconsistant arguments and obscure facts. And how it was unbelievable how so many fans take this as gospel, but after the post tonight, I am just speechless… Are there any fans left on this site. Anyone who doesn’t get pissed off anytime Vidro gets a hit or Sexson hits a homerun? This site is just plain depressing for a team in the hunt. Oh yeah.. please go buy the Cheaters Guide.
How sad is it that we can see a Weaver loss and Sherrill rocking leading to the FO going nuts and making trades we don’t really need. Why will we give up on a struggling pitcher so quickly yet leave corpses in our lineup?
How about this:
Tacoma and Seattle just switch, that way the horrible team has nobodys instead of veterens.
298-Have you watched the last week? 1 week of inaction and horrible management. Its like your foot being on fire and feeling pain but just looking at it. To your left is a glass of water, a fire extinguisher, sand and a blanket…You look to your left, and think, “I have had these lungs for soooooo long…I might as well go with these” and you start blowing on your foot. That is our management right now..fucking retarded and the season is slipping away. Don’t be naive
300-I would love to see the M’s go off the tv for a week in favor of watching the Rainiers play (hit..i could care less about their pitching)
298 – Satire?
I hope so.
LOL at “obscure facts”
298 – Sorry but the Front Office has basically sapped my will to be a happy fan. It’s sad, and I will always love the M’s, but theres only so much I can take
oops, typo
I would venture to say I am not naive… maybe I just haven’t swallowed the koolaid yet. I am not saying the front office is anything to do the wave for, just can’t believe the post on the home page… still speechless.
298 Care to show me the correct way to root for a team that is flushing their playoff hopes away with a 7 game losing streak? Well??
If the front office and manager admitted that changes needed to be made I would be much happier watching us lose because I know we tried. Watching a team suck and watching the people in charge watching the same way us fans do is frustrating. Especially when said team charges $175 for a damn jersey
306-Can you believe what you’ve witnessed in the ballpark? With an amazing 1st half, and glarring needs (like Ibanez and Richie going far far away in favor of Broussard and a guy in AAA..whats his name), our FO/management has done nothing..not even moved Ibanez out of his ‘automatic out’ spot in the lineup.
To watch a team challening for the division lead was fun, but watching this team fall hard and likely to finish in 3rd again, you beter believe this site is gonna go nuts.
I take it they went out quietly in the 9th? I went away for a few minutes and the game was over.
You know, until that three run shot, I felt like we had acctually done better then we had the last couple games, even though we were still behind most of the game. I didn’t have the overwhelming sense of dread I’ve had while watching the other games.
Season’s over, good night.
well, (as of monday) since June 15th Soriano has been on “a 16-appearance stretch in which he’s put up a 6.91 ERA and .339 opponents’ average while allowing 21 hits, 11 earned runs and six homers in just 14-1/3 innings.”
Even though our GM and Manager are eternal optomists (Raul will come out of his slump! Richie is gonna catch fire in the second half! Reitsma is a good set up guy!) it doesn’t rub off on the fans
314-Sounds kine of like “the media keeps showing the bombings in Iraq” but we rebuild the schools they do it to…progress!
306 – Wait, not satire?
“just can’t believe the post on the home page… still speechless.”
Wait… speechless? Wow. That’s pretty strong. What post can it be?
Did I miss the “Underrated: Hitler.” post?
Can you mean this one:
“I don’t have it in me to root for this team tonight. Six straight losses, return of the ridiculous line-up, Ibanez still in left, obvious moves to help the team still not made. Whatever.”
That renders you speechless?
The team is making a ton of really dumb decisions these days… if you know baseball, they have to upset you. If you don’t know any better than it probably won’t. Either way… fans come in different flavors.
In defense of the FO/being optimistic… If they are trying to trade away any of the players everyones asking to be demoted, how would demoting them effect their Trade Value? It would plummet to nothing. Adam Jones most likey won’t be called up until a trade is made (or after unsucessful attempts). I’m being patient until the end of the month, i think it’d be the wisest thing for everyone else to do, instead of asking the FO to make all these moves that conflict with trade interests.
315 – Sadly we can’t vote for who gets to run our team
Guys, the team is not THIS bad. Outside of Beltre, every player has been about as bad as possible the past seven games. Chill out.
I have this feeling it’ll be a long time before we see Reitsma in a 1 run game again which would piss me off considering McLaren has been stubborn about everything else.
I feel like I was promised a raise only to find out that I have been laid off. Bill Bavasi is a decent Minor League coordinator and a horrible GM. Stand by, a terrible trade is coming.
317-I know its only a few more days, but we dont have any time to wait..we’re gonna be lapped by the time August 1st comes around with the way we are playing. AT LEAST MOVE IBANEZ out of the #3 spot if you aren’t gonna bench the POS.
317 – They have even less value when every other team can watch them consistenly suck on tv
319 – Raul and Richie have been BAD for much longer then the last seven games (you could even say this is one of Richie’s better stretchs, 2 hr in a week)
good thing they snapped out of the 1-run losing streak.
Dear Mike Hargrove,
First off, I’d like to say I hope you are enjoying your new red pickup truck. And, your wife is a lovely woman.
Anyhow, believe it or not, we miss you. And like, I want to apologize for calling you a “complete boob” 274 times over the past few years. Any chance you’d like to come back and manage this bullpen the way you did in the first half? Please?
Thank you in advance,
Alex Carson
326-I think he got **SS*-wipped by wife to leave the team..she seemed like a total….ya know
thebrick, maybe this just isn’t the site for you. There are other places you can post comments. Try Geoff Baker’s blog if you’d like, it’s usually pretty good. Or, if you really disagree with Dave, hey, http://www.blogger.com and you can start your own blog. More M’s blogs is a good thing.
323- I can hear your frustration but put it in perspective. It’d be like the Braves sending Andruw down to the minors right now because he’s hitting .215. GM’s are not stupid, (well, most of them), Ibanez is only hitting 20 pts lower than his career avg, 30 pts lower than his career OBP, and 50 pts lower than his career SLG. You can’t expect Ibanez to do what he did last year. The only player that would fit better statistically at the 3 spot is Vidro, they are pretty much a wash to me. The trade deadline needs to pass, so the Ms can make some moves and make up some ground!
For people getting home from the game I have a question, what was the reaction to Ibanez and Sexson like tonight? Especially Ibanez. I know Richie might have been cut some slack from most fans at the game tonight but just wondering.
Watching this team play has been horrible this week. I have been trying to put it into words to people but couldnt really. Until 301 came up with a great post!
330-My buddy called me from the game and said Ibanez got booed pretty good..especially after his last k
We need more “Free Adam Jones” Signs at the park. It is so annoying watching this stupid postgame show and hearing nothing about how the M’s can get better with ONE call to Tacoma. Just ONE call!
Dangit. I put the o.t. words in my reply to post 327, and now I must await moderation.
Short version: kentroyals, please accept my invitation to suck it. Lame.
333-touche…
329 – Why shouldn’t we expect him to do what he did last year? Isn’t that why hes in the 3 hole in the first place? and umm theres this guy named Jones who couldn’t do much worse then Raul. My point is even if someone were to trade for our guys, they wouldn’t give us much because they see how bad they are, and they aren’t Bavasi so they won’t be easily fooled.
317, 329 – You cannot claim both that GM’s are not stupid AND that their decision on whether to get a guy would be impacted in the slightest by what his current team does with him.
They’ve got the numbers and the tape, they’ll make their own decision.
So that is a completely invalid reason to field less than your best team for an extra month.
Also, with regards to Raul, if you’ve read this site long at all, you will realize that most of the suggestions about Ibanez have to do with his defense and his platoon splits. Use him as a platoon DH = awesome.
327 – Boy is that comment unworthy of this site.
333 – Oh, you just cleared up a moderation-queue mystery for me. No idea words triggered it. Thanks.
335- I see what you’re saying but my original point (optimistic point) was that Ibanez is doing for the most part what he’s done his whole career (except for last year) You want a High Avg/High On Base guy at the 3 spot obviously and Ibanez and Vidro are the only players on the Ms current roster that have shown that ability in their career. I’m saying wait until the trade deadline, we will see how this turns out in a couple days. Basically I’m being very optimistic so it’s easy to disagree with me.
Reistma sucks komo…stop defending him…he’s not just been garbage since he got off the DL
336 – I agree that Ibanez’s best fit for the team would be as a DH, and also batting 5th, but with our current roster, him and Vidro are the only two players that fit in the 3 spot of the lineup.
339-Jose Guillen…even Beltre?
337 – I guess my main point is that we cannot wait until the deadline. If we get there and we are out because we left Raul rotting in the three hole, its a moot point. Now I understand that by history Raul SHOULD be in the three hole, but sooner or later someone needs to realize that its just not working, and put ANYBODY there but him. I like Raul but he shouldn’t be anywhere near the three hole right now. Say he goes on the DL and rests, and comes back in better form, then put him back
339 – If you could show me why Raul and Vidro are the only two players for that spot, I would appreciate it, and then want to pour gas on myself and light a match knowing that our team only has those two to choose from.
340- It’s all a matter of opinion. Myself, I want the 3 hitter to have at least a .330 OBP and a proven track record being able to hit in the middle of the lineup. Raul has been horrible this year but still has a .341 Career OBP. The way Guillen has been stroking it lately, I would accept him in the 3 spot, but he wouldnt be my ideal choice. Beltre is very borderline 3 hitter for me, but like I said its all opinion in my mind.
Our #3 hitter should slug over .400.
Anyone listening to the komo-post game show? Outrageous commentary by the retards doing the show
“Raul has been clutch, he’s hitting in the upper .270’s…leads the ball club in rbi’s…i think you need to look at the people struggling before Ibanez”
Who the hell hired these idiots
341- I like the idea of putting Raul on the DL to rest.
I’m new here, I was wondering what everyone’s opinion is on Balentien’s future? His stock is as high as it’s ever been, but you can’t forget he hit .230 last year. Was something wrong with him last year injury wise? If he wasn’t injured, then I’m all for trading him while his stock is through the roof
There are SO many players on this team I don’t want to see another minute of. It would be nice to have someone new confidently swagger up to bat.. someone that I wouldn’t look at and instantly know that the inning is over.
This team bites sack.
339 – There is no possible configuration that you could come up with that wouldn’t be improved with Raul hitting only against right-handers.
To use your own preferences there, Raul has a .250 OBP against lefties. .250.
Heck, his career OPS against lefties is 140 points lower. His aging isn’t going to make him better.
I like Raul. Use him anywhere from 3-5, but as DH and only against lefties.
What we need is a good jinx breaker, something like Ron Gardenhire throwing the live lobster in Guardado’s lap. Kill me
343 – As long as your onboard for ANY change to the three hole I’m with ya
After the recent defense post, I checked into the Out of Zone stat, and Ibanez lead the AL in OOZ plays last year… what gives? is it an accurate stat? is Ichiro that much of a ball hog? Is Ibanez injured?
Also, 343 – Beltre is better in OBP and OPS against RH’s and LH’s… significantly in both cases.
By 40 or 50 points and righties and 220(!) points against lefties.
If Dave’s cool with it I’d like to post this everyday until it finally happens. It’s my form of civil disobedience because I’m about to break something soon.
Adam Jones Missing Poster
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popsey – there is an exceptionally good entry by Dave about our outfield defense, just a couple posts down on the main page.
It answers that question and more.
348- Im all for Platooning, and all for change, but Dan Haren is a Right Hander and my original post said that I was being optimist towards the GMs knowing what they are doing. I was never trying to doubt anything you said, I’m just an optimistic person, and I’m hoping that the Mariners Coaches/FO know at least as much as people on this site. lol
348 (John in L.A.) – I believe you meant to say only against RIGHTIES. and 346 – I don’t know if he was hurt but hes hitting for avg., power, and hes stealing bases very well (14/16). His stock is as high as it will be trade wise but I don’t know if we’re better off keeping him and putting him in RF next year instead of Guillen
John in LA- Oops, I didnt read the whole article earlier. I thought he was comparing them by OOZ plays, my bad
We would even be better with Ellison over Ibanez, as he would bring better D and more speed. It’s sad that I just said Jason F’in Ellison should start over our 3 hole hitter
thats sad for Ibanez. Jason Ellison? If Ibanez is hurt at all, he needs to come out and say it. Even if he’s not hurt, say it anyways so he can at least have some kind of excuse
355 – Shockingly, I am a very optimistic person. Just not, these days, about my Mariners or my beloved Miami Dolphins.
It was a sad day when I realized that, although there are a thousand intricacies of the game and the business about which they know more than me… I came to realize that they really DON’T know more about a lot of things related to strategy and personnel.
They just don’t.
And I watched my favorite teams in two sports freaking implode in a series of bad decisions that were very, very often foreseeable and avoidable.
There is not a doubt in my mind that the operators (and some posters) are thinking at a higher level than our manager and GM on some SPECIFIC aspects of the game. They have a lot more on their plate, and all of them are better at some things than others.
I mean, all you need to learn everything you need to know about coach or gm fallibility is to look at Dave Wannestadt. Or pick a dozen others…
Even a casual fan would notice that something is wrong, and anyone with knowledge of Adam Jones would MOST LIKELY do very in the majors, and at the least would be an improvement over Raul in Left. Sadly, the FO either doesn’t see that or won’t do anything about it, which is why my optomism is waning…
Did you guys check out the Firstinning article on Adam Jones I posted the other day?
http://firstinning.com/content/200707142
It compares players Isolated power from players under 22 in AAA over the past ten years. Adam Jones ranks right up their with Konerko and Fielder in terms of ISOP, ranks ahead of Aramis and Vernon! Scary
Which is why he should be batting #3 for Seattle instead of Tacoma…
#363: And also why the Mariners don’t need to extend Jose Guillen’s contract, we have a #4 hitter for the next 10 years in Adam Jones rather than a power hitter for the next 3 years like Jose Guillen would be if the M’s extended him.
We are all asking for Jones to come up I-5, but are we even sure he wants to?? With the current condition of the Mariners offense and the fact he can only fill 1 of the numerous slumping/poor lineup spots with a likely improvement, I can see him saying “no Bill, I don’t want to play for that team”. Hes probably praying to be a future Marlin…………. Heaven forbid..!
345: The appropriate response to that question, of course, should be “no one in their right mind.”
Aside from Drayer’s inside reports/interviews, that post-game show has largely sucked ever since New York Vinnie stopped doing it when they went over to KOMO.
post-game last night was Pitman & Valle, not the leading lights of the KOMO staff … but New York Vinnie?? that pillar of impartiality?
Was at the game last nite, a few random observations:
There was a guy a couple of sections away yelling at Richie every time he was up (”.207 you call that a batting average? how about .206 now?…”) He was kinda funny.
There was some Ra*l booing as stated earlier. I had a sign that I’m sure he saw as I was along the 3rd base side that said “Adam Jones’ mom called & she wants her fries delivered to Safeco soon! FREE ADAM JONES” Ra*l took a longer route out to left after that. Pretty sure Blow saw it as well.We also had a “Cult of Doyle 4ever” sign. Needless to say we spect a little time explaining those, but well worth the effort.
Once they put in Reitsma, the consensus was were would be throwing the game away with both hands. But really chaps my hide was all the blame laid on George Sherrill for the homerun, he wouldn’t have been in the predicament if Chris hadn’t already walked those 2 guys beforehand.
PS Travis Buck’s “up nopw” picture on the big screen just screams “I wanna party with this dude!”