Game 121, White Sox at Mariners
DMZ · August 19, 2007 at 12:00 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
Felix Day! It’s Felix Day!
Standard lineup except with Burke catching.
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crossing my fingers for another day with Adam Jones in the Starting Lineup.
With right handed Garland starting? FAT CHANCE! C’mon Mac, give us Big Ben over Big Sexy!
Burke for Kenji, batting 8th. Otherwise, standard lineup.
I imagine Jones will be starting because it’s a day game after a night game. Guessing Jones in LF, Ibanez DH, Broussard 1B, Burke C. Maybe.
Oh, and Felix is on the mound so Mac has a little more wiggle room.
Ok. Nevermind. That’s enough optimism for one day.
Adam Jones on mariners all access!! right now…
AJ seems like a dream… he is so level headed, and humble. How can you not love this kid!
from Larry Stone this morning:
“Asked if he was close to coming up with a permanent lineup, McLaren replied, “I think we’ve got a permanent lineup. You might give someone a day off, break it up a little, but I think we’ve basically had a pretty set lineup for quite a while.”
Presumably, it doesn’t at this point include rookie outfielder Adam Jones,
who didn’t start Saturday against a left-hander, John Danks.”
Old guyz rool sez McLaren.
Yup, the Ms are such idiots. The fact that they keep on winning is just pure luck.
Capuano interviewed Adam Jones and brought up the chemistry meme.
Poor guy.
Don’t you worry about running out of carrots for noses?
I am kind of amazed they have won a single game all year.
Allowing Vidro on the team offensively or defensively has cost them at least a dozen games.
Playing Ibanez in left in lieu of AJ at least a dozen more.
Starting Sexson instead of Broussard 12 more at a minimum.
Certainly Hargrove’s lack of any sort of baseball tactics at least a dozen.
A couple more for McLaren’s insistence that Ramirez is a major league pitcher.
The odds of putting together such an awful team, managing it as poorly as humanly possible, failing at any attempt at a significant upgrade all while having the fourth best record in baseball boggles the mind.
I am positive most of the contributors to this site could have done a significantly better job.
#14
Gotta admit that was mildly amusing.
14- Glad you think we should be 118-2 at this point in the year.
Winning doesn’t matter. Paying attention to wins and losses is an example of results based analysis.
This is the most intelligent baseball site I have ever seen, but c’mon guys. The pessimism at this point is just silly. This is a very good team and most of Bavasi’s moves have been proven justified.
Translation – my mind is made up and I refuse to listen to any counter arguments. Don’t bother trying to talk to me about this issue.
#17
I just can’t agree that most of Bavasi’s moves have proven justified. Soriano for HoRam still looks like one of the worst trades in the history of baseball and even though I like Vidro I still wouldn’t even want him on my fantasy team even as a 2b.
I was just looking at comments over in Baker’s blog. I don’t understand the vitriol against people using stats. I can understand laughing at them, or ignoring them, if you don’t agree, but the level of personal animosity just blows me away.
14 packs more straw into a smaller space than has ever previously been achieved on this weblog.
Uh…Dave? You give every indication that your mind is made up. All the time.
Would you still rather have a guy who has spent the whole year on the DL rather than a guy hitting .318?
You know what I like about the pervasive, inescapable pessimism here? The cheerful optimism.
HoRam and Reitsman = Bad moves
Guillen, Vidro, Weaver, Batista = Very good moves
17 – Are you seriously advocating not making moves that would help this team because they’ve been winning? The Mariners are winning in spite of the lineup, not because of it.
Yes. Because the choice is between Vidro and Snelling.
That’s a false dichotomy there.
Who’s Reitsman?
Reitsman is the pitcher we thought we were getting. Sadly, we got Reitsma.
I’m not having this argument with you again, Auburn. You can keep evaluating players any way you want to. Eventually, you’ll realize that we’re right more often.
We’ll have to ask you more about your good category in 2 years Auburn.
We might be less enthusiastic about Vidro and Batista in the 2009 season. That’s probably the more appropriate time to review those moves anyway.
At any rate, Go M’s. I hope Turbo and Raul hit 8 HRs today.
Sometimes it feels good to be a Mariners fan. Get home from the Warped Tour expecting a disaster when I checked the standings, but we’ve actually moved forward a bit, and it’s Felix day. That’s enough for me to pretend the lineup frustrations didn’t exist.
Also enough to help me forget that Kevin Lyman has decided that emo wasn’t enough of a blight on the tour, and what they really needed were a bunch of metal bands.
#25
“Mariners are winning in spite of the lineup, not because of it.”
Really? Then who is scoring all the runs and why do we have the third highest BA in the AL? After 120 games you still don’t trust this team?
We’re winning but the players suck. Amazing.
Fun fact of the day.
Raul Ibanez is “on fire”, based on his last 50 plate appearances – he’s hitting .489/.540/1.022 during that stretch. This hot stretch, according to most people, clearly proves that his early season struggles are not relevant to how he’s going to play the rest of the year, and that he’s ready to be a contributing member of the team on a daily basis. Those 50 at-bats represent 10.8% of his season total.
Jose Contreras’ last three appearances represent 10.3% of his season total. During those three outings, he’s thrown 14 innings, given up 16 hits, walked one, struck out 11, and posted a 2.57 ERA. Those same pro-Ibanez people have no interest in acquiring Jose Contreras, because he sucks and is finished as a player.
10.8% of Ibanez’s season – prove that he’s awesome!
10.3% of Contreras’ season – don’t matter at all – he sucks!
I’d like to point out, while we’re here, that we tirelessly advocated for a better backup catcher, against people (like the M’s) who essentially figured “meh, what’s 100-150 ABs/year” and now that we’ve seen what a decent, easily-locatable backstop can do for a team, we get to heaaar… nothing.
That was a fun fact Dave!
Can FSN please stop saying Ral robbed that home run, it would have hit the middle or bottom of the wall.
Santana- 17 Ks, no walks in 8 innings. The Rangers now have the two highest strikeout games of the year.
Thanks to the brilliance that is MLB.tv and their blackout policies, I am treated once again to Hawk Harrelson
Some perspective:
Given the fact that the M’s have to play a whole lot of games with virtually no time off in the next month and a half, it stands to reason that there will be plenty of opportunities for Jones to get at bats. If he produces, he’ll get more. McLaren frustrates me, but I can at least see his reasons for taking it slow with Jones – as opposed to his undying loyalty to Richie Sexson.
Oh, and Happy Felix Day!
I need a plugin that filters comments by userID. Because, yes, my personal discipline lacks.
HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWKKKK
Derek’s Worst Possible Broadcast crew:
PBP: Rizzs
Color1: Rex Hudler
Color2: Hawk
As always, plugin suggestions are welcomed.
#33
I agree with you 100% about Contreras, and disagree about Ibanez.
The common factor is what is happening RIGHT NOW. The only thing that matters is making the playoffs. Contreras is an uprade over HoRam. Grab him. (Assuming the price isn’t too high)
Maybe Ibanez was hurt earlier. Maybe the call-up of Jones woke him up. I don’t care. Adam Jones is the future but Ibanez is the better choice now.
I like watching Felix pitch and all but as far as it being Felix Day that is about as exciting to me as rally fries have become.
3 GB’s in the first and mixing pitches. Looks good for Felix today.
Oh, and one more thing. I absolutely agree that Sexson and Broussard should be platooned.
Enough. Game’s on.
DMZ… will you really set that All-Star commentating lineup and leave out Tim McCarver?
HE GONE!!!!! Niceeeee changeup right there from Big John (and yes, I will randomly be updating you with some of HAwk’s gems from todays game)
Holy Vidro!
Vidro continues to respond to posts by defying them. I don’t even remember the last time I saw him hit the ball that hard.
Hell yes! Jose Jose!
Nice way to start!
Joooooosssseeee!!!
Hawk barely even noticed Guillen just HAMMERING that ball. Nice swings back to back there for Turbo and JG
damn.. if Ichiro gets that walk its 1-0
Home run!
So, does the roof ope or closed help homeruns?
He Funked that thing a loooong way!
nevermind 3-0
GUILLEN!!
McCarver doesn’t grate on me nearly as badly as those other two: I don’t feel like I’m going to — GUIIIILLLLEENNN! — throw something at the TV in the second inning of games McCarver works.
I wonder when people will stop believing that Jon Garland is good.
that was definitely SWUNG ON AND BELTED!!!!
Garland looks like he should be pitching in the LL World Series, where he would still get hammered. (At least, so far. Let’s hope he keeps it up).
Mojo Risin’!!!
32- Clearly I wasn’t advocating that the Mariners are terrible. However, they are not consistently trotting out the best Mariners lineup they possibly could. Also, batting average is terrible for statistical analysis. The Angels have scored 20+ more runs than the M’s with basically the same batting average.
McCarver isnt a “Throw Things” kind of commentator. But his commentary is the kind of stuff that makes you want to play Drink What’s Under the Sink so you don’t have to hear it anymore.
#61
He’ll be packaged in a deal to round out the M’s 2009 rotation.
BTW… I can see Beltre teeing off today. Garland throws the kind of pitches that Adrian should smash
I think I’d put Morgan on the list ahead of McCarver. But only because I imagine all the stupid things he’s put into print every time I hear his voice…and that makes me want to throw things.
34 – DMZ – While I haven’t said as much here, I love Jamie Burke, and bring up the awesomeness of our catcher tandem, and that we can call it a tandem, all the time.
Where’s Red?
I’m pretty sure i just cold called that homerun… look at 67. thank you ill be here all week
oh My. Oh my! Everyone goes yard!! (Except Sexson.)
BELTRE!!!!!!!!!
SWUNG ON AND BELTRED!
67:
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
This Yankees game needs to end so I can watch the M’s before the game is over. Damn you Comcast and how you run MLB Extra Innings!!!
#67 – Holy smokes! Good call.
#68 – I agree with the Morgan assessment. I have to watch Sun Night Baseball with the sound off
“Mariners are winning in spite of the lineup, not because of it.”
#77
The White Sox suck.
RE: #14
#15, #16, and #21, add up all the “at least a dozen” and the several attributed to McLaren and voila! You have the number of actual losses the Mariners have actually lost.
Straw, indeed. It was a soupçon of sarcasm.
I just noticed Garland is a dead ringer for Mussina (appearance-wise), my old college classmate.
Jon Garland’s running a 38% GB rate this year. Jarrod Washburn is at 39%.
Garland – not a sinkerballer, Blowers.
Sexson got a good piece of that one – not good enough though.
68 & 76 — Besides Morgan repeats the same inanities over and over and over, when once was really too much.
McCarver used to be better, before he got so enchanted with himself. He still says more useful things than Derek’s three choices put together, but has become unbearable anyway.
Felix is going to have a good one. Hes got a lead, he looked loose in the dugout, and he mixed his pitches in the first.
I know I’m looking ahead, but I have to watch the Yankees game right now.
Do we want the Yanks to go in and sweep the Angels starting Monday? I say YES. I want the West crown.
#79
I figured it was sarcastic but couldn’t completely figure out if he was being sarcastic about the number crunchers or the sentimentalists.
AuburnM, other people can play the “Crow Every Time One Thing Happens That Supports Your Position” game too, but most people recognize how childish it is.
Felix has good command of the fastball today.
Glad we are missing a rematch of the Johan game in Minnesota. His line today was sick.
The whitesox are brilliant at getting one amazing season out of otherwise unimpressive pitchers. Esteban Loiaza in 2003, Garland in 2005, and that Contreras stretch in 2005.
Let’s try something besides the I-cant-command-it-fastball.
Come on King Felix…
I can not stand the need of many sports announcers (especially radio people) to say “a” in front of people’s names. for instance, “It was good for the Atlanta Braves to pick up a Mark Teixera or a Dotel in a trade”
Why I hate Bavasi for picking up Vidro, and why I think Vidro is generally not liked by the USSM folks:
1. If I saw Vidro’s statistics without knowledge of position/age/defensive skill. I would assume that he was a middle infielder with good defense and some one who should have great speed, considering he has no power.(generally, there aren’t many no power/no speed/no defense guys in the league) If Vidro were that player I would love him.
2. But, Vidro was acquired as the annual attempt by Bavasi and Co. to bring in that venerable Left Handed Power/RBI-generating middle of the order “Professional Hitter.” He occupies the DH position, were we are conditioned not to expect speed or defense, but somehow this year we are expected to appreciate his Ichiro-like infield hits and singles, hell, he doesn’t even walk that much.
All that to say, I love the M’s winning even when it does defy logic, but the problem is my feel-good-meter doesn’t go up when they win on luck, conversely if they were to lose, by playing platoon splits and managing game situations correct I would feel as bad as when they lose by sheer incompetence. Thus my overall feel-good-meter is not as high as it should be for the W-L record the M’s currently have, kinda like a reverse pythagorean.
Go M’s, and where can I get a 3-ft tall AJ bobble head?
4-6-3!
Damn that middle infield tandem is fun to watch
So 7 out of the 9 White Sox batters seemingly go up to the plate hoping for a walk and at the same time wondering why they aren’t winning.
#94
For the most part I subscribe to the Uss Mariner orthodoxy but I have grown to really like Vidro for some reason.
Crowd seems real loud today. Awesome.
#94 should say
…I wouldn’t feel as bad…
Felix missed there — that fastball was supposed to be much higher
Podsedniks career has really gone downhill after his first MLB atbat with the m’s back in the day. I remember watching it.. bases loaded triple. His OBPS has gone down a lot since then
99: There’s been over 40K at each game this homestand (that I can remember), even the day game on Wednesday.
102: What about the HR in the World Series? That’s definitely the career highlight. Then to fall back tot he minors……ouch.
Burke! I like his hitting… So far this year (small sample size) he hits for average, walks, and hits for decent power.
Burke!
#104
Better to be king for a day than a schmuck for a lifetime.
You want logic-defying, try the Diamondbacks. 71-53, 537 runs scored and 553 allowed. I wonder if that projects to be among the most counter-pythagorean seasons ever.
107: You mean like Bartman on the north side?
Runner at 2nd and nobody in scoring position.
Ichiro is good.
Vidro will now hit a home run out of Safeco to show me what’s up.
What is this “Ichiro is Good” thing flashing on the screen??
#70 — if Producer is checking in today (can’t recall if that was an FSN or a ch 11 game) I think a “where’s Red” sequence would work– for he does sit in other places in the stadium…
Red doesn’t have season tickets. His company probably just didn’t give him that seat today.
How good would 6 RBI be after 2 innings? Holy Cow!!! My fingers are crossed.
Turbo draws a walk!
Red is conventionally employed? Really? I’d imagined him as… I don’t know, a glass-blower? Fremont event promoter?
So will it actually be a Garza-HoRam rematch tomorrow or will we actually do something?
Beltre Fan Club President?
4 RBIs!
Guillen!
Harley shop tools troll and part-time wrestler.
4 RBI isn’t as good as 6, but I’ll take it!!!!
Guillen!!!!
Dave, where can I find those stats on GB%?
Good team chemistry out there today at least so far.
Damn, the Hot Streak is losing its grasp on the flight of the ball.
Hardballtimes.com, fangraphs.com, or firstinning.com
Thanks, Dave!
Angels lead 3-1 with 1 out in the bottom of the 9th.
Well, that’s not the high fastball Burke was looking for. Where did that command go? Did he leave in on the DL?
God I detest Hawk.
Woops, didn’t mean to put a comma in there. Anyone else notice how the M’s announcers always make Raul’s hits seem like they are hit harder and further than they actually are?
131: and 2 of the worst hitters on their team up. Angels basically win.
134 — Actually they do go further than they actually go!
Angels win. Damn.
freaking felix
[if you admit you don't know what you're saying, well..]
i cant stand hawk. did you hear the call after owens hit? “BAASE HITT” but he sounded deranged
It’s hard to get away with consecutive hanging curves no matter who you are, who you’re facing
Ugh.
I hate to be Cpt. Obvious, but he just simply was not focused at the beginning of this inning. You could see it.
What the heck was Guillen doing over there? They showed the camera shot of the corner — you know, the one where the outfielder should be picking up the ball — and Guillen wasn’t even in the picture yet.
It’s Court Jester Hernandez to the hecklers.
There we go, Felix. There’s your out pitch. Stop messing around with those floating breaking balls on 2 strikes.
on the bright side… the DP is now in order
At least the hitters have no idea where it’s going…
Good call, 147
I’m clairvoyant today
Good call, abender20.
Thank god the groundball tendancy doesn’t seem to depend on his ability to controll his pitches…
What is going on with Felix?
I’m sure that it helped that I was finally able to get away from the Jr Broadcaster segment. Things never seem to go well for the M’s when I am forced to hear the Jr Broadcaster.
The AL record for most GIDPs by one team in a game is 6 (7 in the NL). I’d like to see that record tied or broken today.
The Jr. Broadcaster segment is always really awkward. The kids are just too young
155 – that would mean putting runners on base for the sox… I don’t like that idea.
Just because he’s up, even though he flew out…
I just have to say that Beltre may be one of the most awesome people ever.
Beltre is just crushing tonight.
Sexson is positively on fire. He is hitting 1.000 in his last at bat.
If Lopez doesnt stop taking bail out swings…
157 – Yo’re watching the game right? The Sox are gonna have more baserunners.
160: He is so on fire, that he could actually get out next at bat, and still have a .500(!) batting average in his last two at bats.
BurkeburkeburkeburkeburkeburkeSAFE
Not only does Uribe hit like a AAA player, he fields like one, too!
And Burke hustles one out.
Ah… got to love the White Sox “D”
Is that why you hustle on routine grounders?
166 actually their defense has been pretty solid this year.
YUBET!
3 at bats in 3 innings for Ichiro? Yes please!
Hopefully they walk Ichiro and we get to see Vidro with the bases loaded.
168 – a lesson in small sample size I suppose.
156 –
The most comical thing about Junior Broadcaster was trying to do it with last year’s “swing first, ask questions later” Mariners. By the time Rick was done introducing the kid the inning was over. It was so cruel!
ichirooooooooooooooooooo
2 MORE. ICHIRO!
So that is now 3 complete gift runs. and counting.
.Ichiro is good.
They do these things just to get at DMZ.
Ryan Bukvich? Oh, man… I LOVE Royals rejects. This guy couldn’t cut it in Omaha, let alone Kansas City.
178 was referring to Vidro being the Marine Leader thing-a-ma-jig.
Pour it on fellas.
On the bright side… if this game ends up a blowout, Adam Jones could see some ABs.
I’d like to take a moment and say hello to all the Angel fans monitoring this game thread. Feeling the heat of our awesomeness yet?
TURBO!
Uribe is terrible.
Take that!, regression to the mean!
He’s just a professional hitter.
Why bring in Jones? The lineup is doing so well!
181 – Have you seen the Sox bullpen? The landslide has just begun
Vidro is starting to remind me of Rod Carew!
Question: Do any runs that would be charged to the replacement pitcher still get counted as unearned run? IE, if Guillen hits a homerun, is his run now earned again?
Teams wanted to trade for Garland, but their demands were too high right?
Gift number 4, welcome to home plate.
Garland just had a Weaver outting! Muahaha.
The white sox are a mess. LOL
Bouncing pitches when Ichiro is on third = stupid.
I swear Rizzs called this pitcher Ryan Buttfish.
See? See? Royals Rejects!!
Bouncing pitches when anyone is on third = stupid. Turbo could have scored on that one.
As long as the runs are pouring in, does anyone want to give me a quick lesson on BABIP? What exactly does it tell you about a hitter?
The way Chicago’s playing today the Mariner Moose ought to swap costumes and come out as Mrs. O’Leary’s cow.
Jones time????
This is not how I want to see Jones get in the lineup…
A google search of BABIP will tell you it stands for Bay Area Blacks in Philanthropy. Barry Bonds therefore has a low BABIP
I hope they won’t have to take him out as a precautionary measure with a big lead and play Adam Jones.
Dave or Derek,
Would you attribute Felix’s recent lack of control (or so it seems) to his being 21, or to just not caring and trying to get by purely on his stuff. I want to think it’s the former, but when I try to read his face and body language, it looks more and more like the latter. Thoughts?
Hey, Jones in the lineup is Jones in the lineup, I’ll take him in any way I can get him.
uhhhhhhhhh… wow.
Oh how I love Beltre.
Beltre does love salami… how bout some rye bread?
BABIP = Batting Average on Balls in Play
It’s your batting average when you hit the ball (not a strikeout) and it’s not a home run. It’s essentially (H-HR) / (AB + SAC – HR – K).
Apparently, it says nothing about a pitcher (I disagree – but that’s another story); it’s more telling with hitters. I think singles guys/speedsters tend to have the highest BABIPs.
Felix has never had any command of his fastball. This isn’t new – it’s jusut particularly bad today.
Beltre… can we get an explosion de funk right here?
This can’t be good for Felix…
211: Speaking of lack of command…
Good gosh this is embarassing. I almost feel bad for the Chi pitchers.
The CSN crew is talking about hitting a baseball a country mile. I’m not from the country, but can someone who is tell me how many feet are in a country mile? 425?
Given their pitching performance today, the White Sox may conclude that they should keep Contreras.
Richie might as well end this for Felix’s sake.
Oh, I love my Royals Rejects.
I’m liking Parrish’s chances for a relief appearance today.
A Grand Slam by Richer means auto contract extension, and the shared title of Mariner for life with Raul.
Whew. Glad Richie was there to put a stop to it.
Between innings note:
Johan Santana today: 8 ip, 0R, 17 K, 2H, 0 BB.
Game score of 95, tied for 2nd best in MLB this year.
And the best thing: since he threw today, M’s won’t face him this week in Minnesota.
Boy, it would be nice for Larry Stone’s fantasy from today’s Seattle Times to come true!
Richie Sexson has never seen a fastball 6 inches from his hands that he didnt like
216 Precisely.
Funny… I was thinking the other day how we were due for two things.
1) A rainy Saturday game with the roof closed that ends up being a solid all around game.
2) A Sunday laugher that makes you come in from cutting the grass and saying “Wow, this game is still going? 18 to 2?”
Tampa Bay just beat Cleveland 4-3 in 12.
221: Richar already Slammed us two nights ago. I don’t think we should trade for him
Are we really going to suffer a HoRam-Garza rematch tomorrow?
Good thing Felix can throw up a 15 ERA today and still win.
E6 Again.
The next Vizquel huh?
That should have been DP #4.
Apparently the Ms have not abandoned all hope of figuring out a way to boot this game.
232: Do you honestly think that error reflects his defensive ability?
Felix is determined to make this a close game.
Felix is acting almost bored.
Yuni was supposed to be great glove mediocre bat. He has turned out to be the opposite this year.
236: Giving up a bunch of weak grounders doesn’t show determination to suck.
Gameday lists Felix at 230 lbs. That’s way off, right?
235 – What do you consider defensive ability? Range and arm strength are great, but none of those matter without focus.
Isn’t it about time to take a regular out for a rest and give a bench player some playing time?
242, agreed. Let’s take out Ichiro and put Ibanez in center.
Meanwhile, in a close game, Lake Oswego Oregon just beat Massachussetts in the LL World Series. Dudes were throwing smoke. The starting pitcher for Oregon had to come out with two on the ninth and at least one runner on (I caught up to it late) because his pitch count was at the max. Refreshing to see that even in the World Series, they are at least trying to protect these kids’ arms and following the rules. The reliever came in and got a forceout at second for the W. Starting pitcher turned out to be Neil Lomax’s son (ex NFL qb) and they interviewed both him and his son after the game. The parents were so pumped and talked about how they loved their kids. It was so darn refereshing I just about teared up. Seriously, youth sports rules.
er, two out in the ninth.
Take Felix out and put in Ryan Rowland-Smith. Just love watching that guy pitch.
22 Errors for Yuni so far this year. He made 20 last year.
Am I the only one who thinks that Rowland-Smith could be a decent 5th starter?
Yes you are lailiahei. I dont think RRS is all that good.
It’s pronounced “BOOOOK-VITCH”
248. Dave doesn’t think so. He doesn’t even have him on the future 40. But, like my cousin Amy, he would be an improvement over Ho.
244: Little League is very picky about pitch counts now. Even in the District tournaments out here, they had dedicated officals for keeping the pitch count. The deeper into the tournament you get, the more intense they get about such things; games can be forfeited if the rules aren’t followed.
Youth sports definitely rules..
So let’s see … I do believe we’ve now seen the Sox hit for the cycle on 0-2 pitches!
248
Rowland-Smith may think he would be a decent starter, which would mean there is one other (besides you).
I have not seen an 0-2 changeup. Hes just fastball fastball fastball with a sprinkling of out of the zone curves
I am glad we aren’t playing a good offensive team.
Now that he qualifies for the win, how much longer will Felix pitch?
Felix is doing a great job of making this game closer then it needs to be.
Raul has also made more errors than last year (6 vs.2).
Matt Thornton…. brings back memories. Few of them good.
Yay, Matt Thornton!
Ichiro is good
I’d rather bring up Rohrbaugh to be the fifth starter.
I hope Aumont turns out to be a power sinkerballer with good stuff. The power sinker is quite successful these days a la C.M. Wang and Brandon Webb
87 pitches for Felix through 5.
With a big lead, MacLaren will be tempted to put in Parrish.
There’s an article in the online version of The Stranger by Dan Savage on Red and his bobblehead last night.
Now that’s the Yuni we love to see. Good glove, good throw.
I don’t want to see Parrish unless there is a 5 run lead going into the 9th.
I don’t want to see Parrish period.
I’m a longtime reader of this blog along with LL and Detecto. Each has interesting viewpoints and USSM especially has taught me a lot about results based analysis.
I disagree with many who have come here to trash the siteowners and readers here.
I disagree that Vidro is as bad as many peg him to be. If it’s not sustainable, who cares? Right NOW he’s hitting the ball and we are winning.
I am of the belief we can enjoy this season as an interesting statistical abherration and look to argue the roster construction for next year’s edition of the Mariners. As it stands we can pine for AJ and BB to start, but the pennant race is giving Mac a reason to stay with the status quo, good or bad.
One favor? Please don’t trash me for posting these thoughts. I come here more than any other site and while I don’t claim to be smarter than the hosts here, I do think we can enjoy this season for what it is…
#270: Agreed. I wish I knew who advocated for bringing Parrish here. I have a feeling it was Mac since he seems to have this bizarre man-love crush on “veterans.”
267 I missed that Beltre gave him a bat. That is totally cool.
Felix is done now. 106 pitches.
This is the only time I want to see Parrish – mop-up duty.
Didn’t MacDougal used to be a reliever for the Royals?
I’d rather we use Parrish in this game than in a game where he could hurt us…
Beltre gave him a bat
It was a cool thng and the look on the guy’s face was priceless — something you usually only see on a little kid who just caught a big league ball. Not sure what his total story is, but he’s certainly one of the more interesting fan regulars.
What’s with Sims quoting/impersonating the Beverly Hillbillies? As I think back on that series (from my childhood), I don’t recall a single black character ever in the show.
279 – if that was the standard, he wouldn’t have been able to watch tv at all.
There’s no such thing as mop up innings with this team have you guys not been watching lately? I think if Parrish makes it into this game a couple of you will regret those comments. Parrish should only be pitching when the M’s are getting spanked.
280. are you serious ?
Felix coming back out again? McLaren you sly dog!
There is no reason for this blasphemy.
I assume we will get O’Flaherty in this inning. Why not put him in against Thome?
That was a nice change
282 – Diahann Carroll was the breakout black character on Julia. Granted there were a few shows with black actors or actresses, but not many, and even fewer in “nonblack” roles. Sims is in his 50’s, so he was a kid a long time ago.
285, Assume nothing when McLaren is in charge.
Hey, there is no reason to keep Felix in there, alot of road games coming up.
7 man bullpen and he’s keeping the future of the franchise in after a frustrating performance where he was at 106 pitches. Yeah. Brilliant.
Let’s not injure our franchise pitcher and jeopardize the playoff run.
Has USSM done research into pitchers and the 100 pitch limit? Is it arbitrary or is there can a case be made that pitchers shouldn’t go much higher than that?
0-2 changeup. SEE FELIX? THATS WHAT YOU DO
so, I haven’t been watching so much as listening today– have all the pitchers been really erratic, or is there also an interesting strikezone ate work here?
aaaargh– Rizzs is reliving the Yankee game again, as he caught sight of coach “Little Joey Cora”
Pitch counts! Let me attempt to summarize current views on pitch count research.
100 is no big deal. Over 120, though, and you’re likely taking something off the next start and you’re starting to jeopardize the pitcher’s health. 140+ pretty much shouldn’t ever be done.
I’m also hoping the master genius McLaren unloads his bench, minus Johjima. Been awhile since I’ve seen Broussard.
wasn’t Felix at around 111 last outing?
Another great chance to watch Yuni run. Is there anything more strange looking than Yuni right when he turns on the juice between first and second, knees flying all over the place?
Yuni’s hustle XBH are a joy to watch.
Yuni’s OPS is over .900 since the ASB.
Indeed. He may be the best in the league at busting out of the box and hustling a single into a double.
#298– I loved to watch Clemente run, limbs all askew
I am 21 and never saw Clemente run
DMZ: Might that explain Bobby Madritsch’s career ending arm injury? Melvin had him pitch close to 140 right before he got hurt.
298,
There’s something about the camera angle that accentuates just how hilarious his stride is… maybe it has to do with how much dirt he kicks up with his cleets.
Ron Cey, aka the penguin, had to be the most entertaining base runner of all time. Those short legs achurning … I wonder if there’s any video of him on YouTube.
Ozzie Guillen making a case for hiring Dave.
Jones!
Ozzie Guillen: “I’m not a numbers guy.”
That’s probably not that great of a thing to brag about if you’re a major league baseball manager
Any comment from the “stat heads” on that Ozzie Guillen comment they just showed again? He said he’s never been a stat guy and was looking at the numbers this morning on a computer to see why his team was so bad.
w/w/r Madritsch: I repeatedly tore into Melvin for his overuse of Bobby here and elsewhere. There’s never a clear cause-effect, but it certainly didn’t help.
More proof the Sox broadcast team is awful- they spent the last few minutes discussing how Ibanez is a very good defensive left fielder who “makes all the plays out there”
They put Jones in, why not pinch hit for Guillen that last inning, give him an AB.
Nevermind, I was looking at something else.
Wait a minute I was right, Gamecast has so many bugs.
313. I am guessing that the rationale would be that there was a RISP and they wanted a veteran at the plate in that situation.
The ass print under Ben Broussard must be molded nicely in to the bench.
316 – Yeah but the two veterans before him couldn’t even hit a sac. fly.
Did Broussard get traded?
#303– youtube was a great call- they have a couple of Clemente videos, including his 3000th hit
319 – Yes. Broussard has been traded from the Mariners to the Bench in exchange for Sexson’s strikeouts
Morrow with something other than a fastball on that SO.
I think you’re confused. Broussard isn’t a Mariner. He was one of the ghosts in “Field of Dreams”. It’s the only place he gets to play.
Morrow looks really good today.
#317– IIRC, isn’t the technical term for that the ‘ass groove’?
msb – you are right, Clemente does run strangely, but I think Yuni has him beat
Tampa Bay beat Cleveland and the Yankees clubbed the fading Tigers. The Angels, unfortunately won.
Hey, that’s a sweep!
#326– goofy, but that run certainly never hurt him out in RF or on the base paths. there was a good documentary about him back in the 90s that still pops up on tv now & then
Vlad Guerrero also has a great arm flailing running style
Baek is doing some rehab starts.
http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070818/APC021102/708180598/1892/APCsports
HA! Cara Capuano just said that HoRam loves to pitch on the road. Funny thing is she was serious. It would be nice to have people on FSN who know things about baseball.
I volunteer to pitch instead of horam tomorrow. I have about an equal chance of posting a quality start in the metrodome as he does and at least my junk would be different junk then the Twins hitters have already blasted off on.
Zoinks! The Yanks play the Angels next. I would normally choke back the bile it raises in my throat and root for the Yankees to help the M’s. But in this case a win for the Yanks is no better for our playoff hopes than a win for the Angels.
I’m still going with the Yanks. They are only one of several teams we need to beat for the wild card. If we finish ahead of the Angels we’re in the playoffs, period.
Ulp. Stupid bile.
I don’t care what the other teams do, M’s need to take care of biz.
Well, if you are paying attention to the other teams, ideally you want both the Angels and the Yankees to have tight but high-scoring games that knock their starters out early and drain their bullpens. Lots of 11-10 twelve-inning sorts of games. That way they each go into their next series completely wiped, and get swept.
335-I love the way you think.
#333 – In this case, actually, it’s more helpful for the Yankees to beat the Angels. If we do our job and beat the Twins, we can come into next week’s series with a possible division lead – or at least a chance to put destiny in our own hands against the Angels next week.
Best case scenario? Yankees sweep Angels, M’s sweep Twins. M’s get 1 game lead in division, Yankees take a half-game lead over the Angels for the wild card.
I want an M’s sweep of the Twins, though. Because in the highly likely event that the Yankees win the series against the Angels, we can come out of Minnesota with at least a share of the division lead.
Did you guys see the article about Santana in the paper today? Shockingly, they think the Mariners would be better if they added him. I know. I was surprised too.
rain delay, so on ESPN radio they choose to fill with the 2001 WS.
Because the Yankees just don’t get enough media coverage …
HA! Cara Capuano just said that HoRam loves to pitch on the road. Funny thing is she was serious. It would be nice to have people on FSN who know things about baseball.
Of course he loves pitching on the road. In other cities a much smaller percentage of the people in the stadium realize he sucks. Call it the Dan O’Brian effect.
“I want an M’s sweep of the Twins, though. Because in the highly likely event that the Yankees win the series against the Angels, we can come out of Minnesota with at least a share of the division lead.”
What would you like for your 2nd and 3rd wish?
Are your wishes transferable, Dizzle? ‘Cause I know a certain AL DH who’d love a little “Barry Juice” on his line drives…
Can’t wait for this series against the Twinks. Let this broom not be lonely.
BTW, I apparently finally won the $250 watch by having my texted question chosen on the postgame show today. My line in that regard is akin to that of circa 2008 “Big Sex”–.200 (though small sample size caveats are indeed quite applicable.)
344 – What was the question? I was listening at the time and thought it was a good one, but now I can’t remember. Congrats on the prize!
After the SportsCenter highlights of the game today, they decided to ask John Kruk what he thought the Mariners needed down the stretch. According to Kruk, what the Mariners need the most is not production from 1B, not better outfield defense, and not a #5 starter. The Mariners need confidence. Ugh.
346. But you missed the best part! He said that had a great starting rotation! At least he didn’t say this after tomorrow, when Ho-Ram gets slapped around like a red-haired stepchild*. Why is it when the team finally gets some national attention, it’s all a load of shit?
*Because of all our ragging, you know that little bastard’s going to toss a no hitter against the Twins.