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		<title>By: aaron c.</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/22/game-124-mariners-at-twins/comment-page-6/#comment-227527</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 23:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If its good enough for Dylan, then it should be plenty good enough for the likes of us.&lt;/em&gt;

I have somewhat different standards regarding use of language for poets, musicians, etc. than I do for journalists and writers of non-fiction.

However, it is fairly apparent that I hold a minority opinion, while the majority opinion is held by some literate and intelligent folks, so I&#039;ll chalk it up to difference of opinion and slink back under a rock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If its good enough for Dylan, then it should be plenty good enough for the likes of us.</em></p>
<p>I have somewhat different standards regarding use of language for poets, musicians, etc. than I do for journalists and writers of non-fiction.</p>
<p>However, it is fairly apparent that I hold a minority opinion, while the majority opinion is held by some literate and intelligent folks, so I&#8217;ll chalk it up to difference of opinion and slink back under a rock.</p>
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		<title>By: Grizz</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/22/game-124-mariners-at-twins/comment-page-6/#comment-227448</link>
		<dc:creator>Grizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One of the keys to a pitcher being successful without a lot of volicity [sic] is control, and that seems be something the RRS has.&lt;/i&gt;

Rowland-Smith&#039;s last year as a starter was 2005 in AA.  His line was 122.3 IP, 3.75 BB/9, 7.50 K/9.

In AAA/AA in 2006, his line was 62.6 IP, 4.87 BB/9, 10.49 K/9.

In MLB/AAA this year, his line is 63 IP, 4.29 BB/9, 11.0 K/9.

He does not have good control, Washburn-level control, or even Feierabend-level control.  If you take away his ability to throw at or near maximum effort in relief, you also take away his velocity, his strikeouts, and his usefulness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One of the keys to a pitcher being successful without a lot of volicity [sic] is control, and that seems be something the RRS has.</i></p>
<p>Rowland-Smith&#8217;s last year as a starter was 2005 in AA.  His line was 122.3 IP, 3.75 BB/9, 7.50 K/9.</p>
<p>In AAA/AA in 2006, his line was 62.6 IP, 4.87 BB/9, 10.49 K/9.</p>
<p>In MLB/AAA this year, his line is 63 IP, 4.29 BB/9, 11.0 K/9.</p>
<p>He does not have good control, Washburn-level control, or even Feierabend-level control.  If you take away his ability to throw at or near maximum effort in relief, you also take away his velocity, his strikeouts, and his usefulness.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the word at the end of the game yesterday was that they needed to make a pitching move going into 4 games in Arlington, partly because RRS&#039;s 4 innings pitched. Hickey&#039;s note just says they may be taking him off the 40 man, right? If he passes through waivers, he goes to Tacoma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the word at the end of the game yesterday was that they needed to make a pitching move going into 4 games in Arlington, partly because RRS&#8217;s 4 innings pitched. Hickey&#8217;s note just says they may be taking him off the 40 man, right? If he passes through waivers, he goes to Tacoma.</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/22/game-124-mariners-at-twins/comment-page-6/#comment-227420</link>
		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re already &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/328692_mbok23.html?source=rss&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dumping Parrish&lt;/a&gt;?

You know what I&#039;m tired of? Bavasi trading for gambles like these. It seems like he&#039;s obsessed with being able to flip a marginal minor leaguer for someone who could, maybe, if things broke right, would be an incredible steal.

And while it&#039;s not like he&#039;s spending a ton on most of these deals (the HoRam-for-Soriano deal being the exception), it&#039;s really getting bothersome. It&#039;s like he&#039;s the guy in the fantasy league who drafts Mo Vaughn on the off-chance he might stage a comeback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re already <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/328692_mbok23.html?source=rss" rel="nofollow">dumping Parrish</a>?</p>
<p>You know what I&#8217;m tired of? Bavasi trading for gambles like these. It seems like he&#8217;s obsessed with being able to flip a marginal minor leaguer for someone who could, maybe, if things broke right, would be an incredible steal.</p>
<p>And while it&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s spending a ton on most of these deals (the HoRam-for-Soriano deal being the exception), it&#8217;s really getting bothersome. It&#8217;s like he&#8217;s the guy in the fantasy league who drafts Mo Vaughn on the off-chance he might stage a comeback.</p>
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		<title>By: Tak</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/22/game-124-mariners-at-twins/comment-page-6/#comment-227419</link>
		<dc:creator>Tak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/08/22/poll0827/index.html

Found this kinna interesting. (Since its the players&#039; point of view). Wished they seperated SP / RP results.</description>
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<p>Found this kinna interesting. (Since its the players&#8217; point of view). Wished they seperated SP / RP results.</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;271,
Jamie Moyer is just one example, Washburn was another, and more apt, they have similar volocities, RRS is more of a flyball pitcher. But the majors are full of guys that can throw 95 and can’t get anybody out, and guys who can’t get the ball up over 90 but have successful careers. One of the keys to a pitcher being successful without a lot of volicity is control, and that seems be something the RRS has.&lt;/i&gt;

Washburn threw a bit harder earlier in his career, and honestly, he&#039;s not as good as Jamie was. Ryan Feierabend is more similar to Washburn.

So, ace, your assertion is a Mariner organization that has had no issue with promoting soft-tossing lefties (John Halama, Travis Buckley, Feierabend), or even signing them to FA contracts (Washburn, Moyer) and has been desperate for starting pitching for years, converted RRS into a reliever because they don&#039;t need starters or won&#039;t use lefties who are control artists?

Do you see where I&#039;m going here? Look, RRS might turn into Jamie Moyer. He might turn into Jarrod Washburn. Or, he might turn into John Halama or HoRam. I&#039;m not convinced a pennant race is someplace to find out, especially since he hasn&#039;t started in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>271,<br />
Jamie Moyer is just one example, Washburn was another, and more apt, they have similar volocities, RRS is more of a flyball pitcher. But the majors are full of guys that can throw 95 and can’t get anybody out, and guys who can’t get the ball up over 90 but have successful careers. One of the keys to a pitcher being successful without a lot of volicity is control, and that seems be something the RRS has.</i></p>
<p>Washburn threw a bit harder earlier in his career, and honestly, he&#8217;s not as good as Jamie was. Ryan Feierabend is more similar to Washburn.</p>
<p>So, ace, your assertion is a Mariner organization that has had no issue with promoting soft-tossing lefties (John Halama, Travis Buckley, Feierabend), or even signing them to FA contracts (Washburn, Moyer) and has been desperate for starting pitching for years, converted RRS into a reliever because they don&#8217;t need starters or won&#8217;t use lefties who are control artists?</p>
<p>Do you see where I&#8217;m going here? Look, RRS might turn into Jamie Moyer. He might turn into Jarrod Washburn. Or, he might turn into John Halama or HoRam. I&#8217;m not convinced a pennant race is someplace to find out, especially since he hasn&#8217;t started in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: JMHawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMHawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And then after absorbing that, Baltimore had to come back and play the second game in the double-header.&lt;/i&gt;

Apparently, Texas set the record for most runs in a double header.  Before the first game was even over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And then after absorbing that, Baltimore had to come back and play the second game in the double-header.</i></p>
<p>Apparently, Texas set the record for most runs in a double header.  Before the first game was even over.</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First things first
&lt;i&gt;
Sweet Melinda
The peasants call her the goddess of gloom
She &lt;b&gt;speaks good English&lt;/b&gt;
And she invites you up into her room
- Just Like Tom Thumbs Blues&lt;/i&gt; 

If its good enough for Dylan, then it should be plenty good enough for the likes of us.

271,
Jamie Moyer is just one example, Washburn was another, and more apt, they have similar volocities, RRS is more of a flyball pitcher.  But the majors are full of guys that can throw 95 and can&#039;t get anybody out, and guys who can&#039;t get the ball up over 90 but have successful careers.  One of the keys to a pitcher being successful without a lot of volicity is control, and that seems be something the RRS has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First things first<br />
<i><br />
Sweet Melinda<br />
The peasants call her the goddess of gloom<br />
She <b>speaks good English</b><br />
And she invites you up into her room<br />
- Just Like Tom Thumbs Blues</i> </p>
<p>If its good enough for Dylan, then it should be plenty good enough for the likes of us.</p>
<p>271,<br />
Jamie Moyer is just one example, Washburn was another, and more apt, they have similar volocities, RRS is more of a flyball pitcher.  But the majors are full of guys that can throw 95 and can&#8217;t get anybody out, and guys who can&#8217;t get the ball up over 90 but have successful careers.  One of the keys to a pitcher being successful without a lot of volicity is control, and that seems be something the RRS has.</p>
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		<title>By: shortbus</title>
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		<dc:creator>shortbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical Mariners coverage on NPR: &quot;And today, the Seattle Mariners played...&lt;em&gt;baseball&lt;/em&gt;!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical Mariners coverage on NPR: &#8220;And today, the Seattle Mariners played&#8230;<em>baseball</em>!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dw</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/22/game-124-mariners-at-twins/comment-page-6/#comment-227414</link>
		<dc:creator>dw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know the Rangers game was monumental when it was on NPR.

In the news summary.

The first two minutes of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know the Rangers game was monumental when it was on NPR.</p>
<p>In the news summary.</p>
<p>The first two minutes of it.</p>
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