Comments on: Out with the old http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:33:05 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: SpokaneMsFan http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/comment-page-3/#comment-227563 SpokaneMsFan Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:23:11 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/#comment-227563 So this doesn't add much to the conversation but, 108 HILARIOUS! So this doesn’t add much to the conversation but, 108 HILARIOUS!

]]> By: lailaihei http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/comment-page-3/#comment-227561 lailaihei Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:58:40 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/#comment-227561 Standard lineup again. Good thing recent performance doesn't mean anything, or else we'd have a heck of a series ahead of us. Standard lineup again.
Good thing recent performance doesn’t mean anything, or else we’d have a heck of a series ahead of us.

]]> By: Dylan http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/comment-page-3/#comment-227560 Dylan Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:57:29 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/#comment-227560 Gomez- We aren't talking about individual player skill sets here. I agree with Dave (because you are essentially using his argument) that players need to be analyzed utilizing their skillsets. Players get "lucky" or misrepresent actual talent, often shown after a regression to the mean. I do not, however, believe that entire teams for three quarters of a season do. There are zero perfect teams out there and GM's who we all wish we had (Beane and Shapiro, for example) are in our rear view mirror. Bavasi could do better. So could everyone else. Scraps- I absolutely am going into this with an open mind. As I said, there are PLENTY of things that I would change about this team, but the man has to be given some amount of credit for putting a winning team on the field. It's often said in the blogging world that luck doesn't exist, there is always a reason why something happens. No one has given me a particularly good reason why this team is winning games "despite" themselves. Gomez-

We aren’t talking about individual player skill sets here. I agree with Dave (because you are essentially using his argument) that players need to be analyzed utilizing their skillsets. Players get “lucky” or misrepresent actual talent, often shown after a regression to the mean. I do not, however, believe that entire teams for three quarters of a season do. There are zero perfect teams out there and GM’s who we all wish we had (Beane and Shapiro, for example) are in our rear view mirror. Bavasi could do better. So could everyone else.

Scraps-

I absolutely am going into this with an open mind. As I said, there are PLENTY of things that I would change about this team, but the man has to be given some amount of credit for putting a winning team on the field. It’s often said in the blogging world that luck doesn’t exist, there is always a reason why something happens. No one has given me a particularly good reason why this team is winning games “despite” themselves.

]]> By: Lucky Number http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/comment-page-3/#comment-227559 Lucky Number Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:32:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/#comment-227559 #107 - I don't know if you can tell or not, but there is a lot of pent up frustration among many M's fans. There is only one way to relieve that much impatience and anger... Rosterbate!!! * *Lucky Number does not advise the use of rosterbation on the internet (particularly USSM) and instead recommends doing it in the privacy if your own home, far far away from the computer. #107 –

I don’t know if you can tell or not, but there is a lot of pent up frustration among many M’s fans. There is only one way to relieve that much impatience and anger…

Rosterbate!!! *

*Lucky Number does not advise the use of rosterbation on the internet (particularly USSM) and instead recommends doing it in the privacy if your own home, far far away from the computer.

]]> By: Ralph Malph http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/comment-page-3/#comment-227558 Ralph Malph Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:09:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/#comment-227558 The loss of John Parrish is insignificant. It is, however, symptomatic of the poor talent evaluation in the front office. To his credit, Bavasi recognizes that Parrish sucks and is willing to eat his salary. What I dont understand is why he didn't recognize that 2 weeks ago? From that standpoint it is similar to the acquisition of HoRam, Vidro (notwithstanding his recent improvement), and a slew of others. OK, this point has been made a thousand times before. It's just getting old. The loss of John Parrish is insignificant. It is, however, symptomatic of the poor talent evaluation in the front office.

To his credit, Bavasi recognizes that Parrish sucks and is willing to eat his salary. What I dont understand is why he didn’t recognize that 2 weeks ago?

From that standpoint it is similar to the acquisition of HoRam, Vidro (notwithstanding his recent improvement), and a slew of others.

OK, this point has been made a thousand times before. It’s just getting old.

]]> By: revbill http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/comment-page-3/#comment-227556 revbill Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:01:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/#comment-227556 <blockquote>"I am just like a fan right now and watching [them] go about their business,” Jeff Pentland said.</blockquote> Does that mean he was booing Richie Sexson during his slump?

“I am just like a fan right now and watching [them] go about their business,” Jeff Pentland said.

Does that mean he was booing Richie Sexson during his slump?

]]> By: Adam S http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/comment-page-3/#comment-227554 Adam S Fri, 24 Aug 2007 02:00:06 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/#comment-227554 The Mariners cut their 25th man and there are 106 (now 107) comments. Can we start the game already? To their credit, it only took them two weeks to figure out Parrish was a replacement level player if that. They're going on months with other players. The Mariners cut their 25th man and there are 106 (now 107) comments. Can we start the game already?

To their credit, it only took them two weeks to figure out Parrish was a replacement level player if that. They’re going on months with other players.

]]> By: Gomez http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/comment-page-3/#comment-227553 Gomez Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:26:20 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/#comment-227553 92. That's results-based analysis, and doesn't necessarily provide merit to the decisions that produced this team. Teams and players often succeed despite themselves, so it would stand to reason that GM's can construct winning teams despite themselves. 92. That’s results-based analysis, and doesn’t necessarily provide merit to the decisions that produced this team. Teams and players often succeed despite themselves, so it would stand to reason that GM’s can construct winning teams despite themselves.

]]> By: Tek Jansen http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/comment-page-3/#comment-227551 Tek Jansen Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:19:16 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/#comment-227551 I don't miss Julio Mateo or Reitsma. I am not particularly worried about the the #6 and #7 men coming out of the bullpen. The will only cost the M's games if Mac chooses to use them incorrectly. If he uses them correctly, like he did yesterday, the bullpen will continue to be an asset. I don’t miss Julio Mateo or Reitsma. I am not particularly worried about the the #6 and #7 men coming out of the bullpen. The will only cost the M’s games if Mac chooses to use them incorrectly. If he uses them correctly, like he did yesterday, the bullpen will continue to be an asset.

]]> By: gwangung http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/comment-page-3/#comment-227550 gwangung Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:17:16 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/23/out-with-the-old/#comment-227550 <blockquote> So apparently Rick White can pitch better than Kameron Mickolo?? </blockquote> Well, if one of 'em can pitch and the other is on the DL, well, yeah, I guess he is...

So apparently Rick White can pitch better than Kameron Mickolo??

Well, if one of ‘em can pitch and the other is on the DL, well, yeah, I guess he is…

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