Comments on: A brief moment to discuss the ineptness of the Jones call-up http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Adam S http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/comment-page-1/#comment-230302 Adam S Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:03:53 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/#comment-230302 To correct a misconception above (and elsewhere), the Mariners called up Jones because McLaren asked for him; Bavasi didn't call him up and force him on McLaren. He's an upgrade from Ellison who was a PR and defensive replacement as Jones can swing the bat from the right side. But they don't see him as someone who should replace, even part-time, Ibanez or Guillen. How anyone can think Ibanez belongs in the starting lineup against a LHP is beyond me. To correct a misconception above (and elsewhere), the Mariners called up Jones because McLaren asked for him; Bavasi didn’t call him up and force him on McLaren. He’s an upgrade from Ellison who was a PR and defensive replacement as Jones can swing the bat from the right side. But they don’t see him as someone who should replace, even part-time, Ibanez or Guillen.

How anyone can think Ibanez belongs in the starting lineup against a LHP is beyond me.

]]> By: F-Rod http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/comment-page-1/#comment-230045 F-Rod Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:39:16 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/#comment-230045 By the way J. Upton's stats are .225 .276 and .408 slg and S. Drew stats are .231 .304 and .358 Don't just write that hey these guys are starting...They are starting and sucking (granted its a small sample and will probably have good careers) Maybe Arizona is winning because they have a top three pitcher in baseball. By the way J. Upton’s stats are
.225 .276 and .408 slg

and S. Drew stats are
.231 .304 and .358

Don’t just write that hey these guys are starting…They are starting and sucking (granted its a small sample and will probably have good careers) Maybe Arizona is winning because they have a top three pitcher in baseball.

]]> By: F-Rod http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/comment-page-1/#comment-230022 F-Rod Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:31:32 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/#comment-230022 14 that is just a crazy comment. Why should AJ be furious with a team that drafted him in the first round and called him up to the bigleagues two different years in his early twenties. The dude has made great money and will have a chance to start for 5 years before free agency hits. I really doubt he would hold a grudge for going to some place fun in the Caribbean and playing ball for six weeks. The guy has gotten some chances and not made the most of them...They are few chances and the door was only cracked open, but the other players are playing better now. 14 that is just a crazy comment. Why should AJ be furious with a team that drafted him in the first round and called him up to the bigleagues two different years in his early twenties. The dude has made great money and will have a chance to start for 5 years before free agency hits. I really doubt he would hold a grudge for going to some place fun in the Caribbean and playing ball for six weeks.

The guy has gotten some chances and not made the most of them…They are few chances and the door was only cracked open, but the other players are playing better now.

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/comment-page-1/#comment-229923 msb Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:46:13 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/#comment-229923 #32-- Raul didn't hit when he got to Kansas City. He was moved between AAA and the big club until when in AAA he got hitting help from Kevin Seitzer, among others. #32– Raul didn’t hit when he got to Kansas City. He was moved between AAA and the big club until when in AAA he got hitting help from Kevin Seitzer, among others.

]]> By: argh http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/comment-page-1/#comment-229827 argh Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:22:46 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/#comment-229827 Another small but not totally insignificant point: every day on the bench as a Mariner is burning up another day of his 5 years to free-agency period. How much do you suppose, in retrospect, each of those playing days will be worth when the Yankees and Red Sox want to pay him $350 for ten years or whatever? That day is coming, almost certainly, barring (God forbid) injury. Another small but not totally insignificant point: every day on the bench as a Mariner is burning up another day of his 5 years to free-agency period. How much do you suppose, in retrospect, each of those playing days will be worth when the Yankees and Red Sox want to pay him $350 for ten years or whatever? That day is coming, almost certainly, barring (God forbid) injury.

]]> By: pgreyy http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/comment-page-1/#comment-229806 pgreyy Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:14:41 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/#comment-229806 "lest we forget the Braun/Millwaukee example. The Brewers were winning, Braun replaced a scrappy/crappy veteran, and subsequently has been the best hitter not named Pujols in the National League (maybe you were only talking about A.L. contenders)."--unkrusty Is it impolite to point out that the Brewers stopped winning? I certainly don't want to be accused of using the "c" word around here. pg PS--When Raul Ibanez was getting splinters on Lou's bench, the knock on him was that he just couldn't hit major league pitching. Some people said "If he'd get the chance to play every day, he'd prove that he could." Raul gets that chance...only it was in Kansas City. We end up dragging him back here where he ends up being a productive veteran with diminishing field skills. Hope AJ likes white and royal blue... “lest we forget the Braun/Millwaukee example. The Brewers were winning, Braun replaced a scrappy/crappy veteran, and subsequently has been the best hitter not named Pujols in the National League (maybe you were only talking about A.L. contenders).”–unkrusty

Is it impolite to point out that the Brewers stopped winning?

I certainly don’t want to be accused of using the “c” word around here.

pg

PS–When Raul Ibanez was getting splinters on Lou’s bench, the knock on him was that he just couldn’t hit major league pitching. Some people said “If he’d get the chance to play every day, he’d prove that he could.” Raul gets that chance…only it was in Kansas City. We end up dragging him back here where he ends up being a productive veteran with diminishing field skills.

Hope AJ likes white and royal blue…

]]> By: NBarnes http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/comment-page-1/#comment-229805 NBarnes Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:14:10 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/#comment-229805 Compare to Boston's treatment of Pedroia. They have maybe the second-best 2nd baseman in the AL 'cause they believed he was ready and gave him time to adjust to MLB pitching. A chance that the Mariners seem reluctant to give Jones. Compare to Boston’s treatment of Pedroia. They have maybe the second-best 2nd baseman in the AL ’cause they believed he was ready and gave him time to adjust to MLB pitching. A chance that the Mariners seem reluctant to give Jones.

]]> By: rsrobinson http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/comment-page-1/#comment-229793 rsrobinson Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:31:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/#comment-229793 Who thought that Jones was ready to help the team in May? I thought virtually everyone believed last spring that he needed more seasoning in Tacoma. And what does the quote about winter ball have to do with rehashing the same old arguments about Jones playing? Who thought that Jones was ready to help the team in May? I thought virtually everyone believed last spring that he needed more seasoning in Tacoma. And what does the quote about winter ball have to do with rehashing the same old arguments about Jones playing?

]]> By: Lefebvre Belebvre http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/comment-page-1/#comment-229792 Lefebvre Belebvre Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:29:51 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/#comment-229792 How do we get AJ when Ibanez and Vidro are finally contributing and when we know Guillen is such a bigtime "gamer" who never wants? Shouldn't Jones start three times a week to give each of the above mentioned vets a day off? Then a 4th game giving Ichiro a rest once a week. Doesn't that make sense? There's still 4 games a week that the vaunted veteran lineup Mac loves would still be intact AND it gives the old guys some rest downt he stretch. How do we get AJ when Ibanez and Vidro are finally contributing and when we know Guillen is such a bigtime “gamer” who never wants?

Shouldn’t Jones start three times a week to give each of the above mentioned vets a day off? Then a 4th game giving Ichiro a rest once a week. Doesn’t that make sense? There’s still 4 games a week that the vaunted veteran lineup Mac loves would still be intact AND it gives the old guys some rest downt he stretch.

]]> By: bat guano http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/comment-page-1/#comment-229791 bat guano Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:24:24 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/08/28/a-brief-moment-to-discuss-the-ineptness-of-the-jones-call-up/#comment-229791 Thanks #26, so you're telling me that the M's philosophy of developing players is to rush them through the minors and then if by some miracle they actually succeed, you reward them by bringing them up to watch games major league games from the bench? It's even worse than I thought..... Thanks #26, so you’re telling me that the M’s philosophy of developing players is to rush them through the minors and then if by some miracle they actually succeed, you reward them by bringing them up to watch games major league games from the bench?

It’s even worse than I thought…..

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