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	<title>Comments on: Future Forty Update &#8211; End of Season</title>
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		<title>By: DAMellen</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/07/future-forty-update-end-of-season/comment-page-2/#comment-234705</link>
		<dc:creator>DAMellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>60

Asdrubal says &quot;&#039;Sup?&quot; too.</description>
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<p>Asdrubal says &#8220;&#8216;Sup?&#8221; too.</p>
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		<title>By: cougs129</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/07/future-forty-update-end-of-season/comment-page-2/#comment-234703</link>
		<dc:creator>cougs129</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lincecum, the most overhyped prospect in the history of time? Very possible.

If everyone who loves Tim Lincecum and is convinecd that he’s the next great HOF pitcher could all just go move into a community without internet acccess together, that’d be awesome. Thanks.&quot;

Typical Lincecum hater. I remember watching him in the state semis his senior year in high school scouts were doubting him then cause of his unorthodox delivery. He mowed down hitters in college at an unreal rate. Then teams pass him in the draft. He keeps mowing down hitters. Now in the big leagues his 2nd year in professional ball. Averaging over 9/ ks a game. Almost a 3-1 K:BB. An ERA that has been below 4 for most of the year all in his first season.

Now if all the Lincecum haters can go to an island where they all can vent there hatred and jealousy of a born freak that would be nice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lincecum, the most overhyped prospect in the history of time? Very possible.</p>
<p>If everyone who loves Tim Lincecum and is convinecd that he’s the next great HOF pitcher could all just go move into a community without internet acccess together, that’d be awesome. Thanks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Typical Lincecum hater. I remember watching him in the state semis his senior year in high school scouts were doubting him then cause of his unorthodox delivery. He mowed down hitters in college at an unreal rate. Then teams pass him in the draft. He keeps mowing down hitters. Now in the big leagues his 2nd year in professional ball. Averaging over 9/ ks a game. Almost a 3-1 K:BB. An ERA that has been below 4 for most of the year all in his first season.</p>
<p>Now if all the Lincecum haters can go to an island where they all can vent there hatred and jealousy of a born freak that would be nice</p>
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		<title>By: DAMellen</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/07/future-forty-update-end-of-season/comment-page-2/#comment-234698</link>
		<dc:creator>DAMellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 04:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number 47 sounded kinda pissed, but I think some of that makes sense.  Do you think there is much reason to try to win in the minors and add a bunch of thirty year olds that&#039;ll never make it?  It doesn&#039;t sound super worth while to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number 47 sounded kinda pissed, but I think some of that makes sense.  Do you think there is much reason to try to win in the minors and add a bunch of thirty year olds that&#8217;ll never make it?  It doesn&#8217;t sound super worth while to me.</p>
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		<title>By: junglist215</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/07/future-forty-update-end-of-season/comment-page-2/#comment-234671</link>
		<dc:creator>junglist215</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 04:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awww no love for Williamson or Wild? I thought their string of superior performances towards the end of the year would atleast raise an eyebrow or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww no love for Williamson or Wild? I thought their string of superior performances towards the end of the year would atleast raise an eyebrow or two.</p>
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		<title>By: Oly Rainiers Fan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/07/future-forty-update-end-of-season/comment-page-2/#comment-234653</link>
		<dc:creator>Oly Rainiers Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 03:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>62: thanks, that was a good belly laugh.

I disagree with the idea that you can&#039;t aggressively push players through your minor leagues AND have some semblance of winning (or at least competitive) minor league ballclubs.  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s either-or.  Again, As.  Even Angels.  Routinely successful minor league teams AND churning out major league talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>62: thanks, that was a good belly laugh.</p>
<p>I disagree with the idea that you can&#8217;t aggressively push players through your minor leagues AND have some semblance of winning (or at least competitive) minor league ballclubs.  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s either-or.  Again, As.  Even Angels.  Routinely successful minor league teams AND churning out major league talent.</p>
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		<title>By: DAMellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAMellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 03:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How bout Andrew Barb?  He sure Ks a lot of guys, but he seems awful old to still be in Low A.  What&#039;s that all about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How bout Andrew Barb?  He sure Ks a lot of guys, but he seems awful old to still be in Low A.  What&#8217;s that all about?</p>
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		<title>By: Slippery Elmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slippery Elmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben?  How about Sexson?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben?  How about Sexson?</p>
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		<title>By: DAMellen</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAMellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 01:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure our systems pretty good, but how much better would it be with Asdrubal?  I&#039;d give them back Eddie.  Yeah, he&#039;s a fine analyst, but I think infielders are more helpful to a team.  Hell, I&#039;d even give them back Ben.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure our systems pretty good, but how much better would it be with Asdrubal?  I&#8217;d give them back Eddie.  Yeah, he&#8217;s a fine analyst, but I think infielders are more helpful to a team.  Hell, I&#8217;d even give them back Ben.</p>
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		<title>By: The Ancient Mariner</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Ancient Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 01:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Really? We’re still beating that horse when he’s building quality rotations out of Dan Haren, Chad Gaudin, and Lenny DiNardo? Beane’s a terrific GM, and he’s succeeded many times since The Big Three left.&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry, question not clear.  I&#039;m not disputing that he&#039;s an excellent GM.  However:

--while Haren&#039;s a great pitcher -- and Harden would be if he could stay healthy -- Gaudin and DiNardo aren&#039;t up to the level of Mulder and Zito, and so they don&#039;t have the steamroller rotation anymore;

--their offense has collapsed;

--they&#039;re thin in the minors, lacking the elite prospects they would need to make major improvements; and thus

--they aren&#039;t &quot;95 wins on a shoestring&quot; anymore.  Granted all of Beane&#039;s ability, and granted that some of it&#039;s bad fortune (Harden, especially), the fact remains that he wasn&#039;t able to keep the A&#039;s performing at the level they reached when guys like Hudson, Mulder, Zito and Tejada were at their peak in Oakland, and his organization hasn&#039;t been able to identify and develop prospects who could replace their performance.  So, excellent GM, sure; but as good as the press clippings he used to generate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Really? We’re still beating that horse when he’s building quality rotations out of Dan Haren, Chad Gaudin, and Lenny DiNardo? Beane’s a terrific GM, and he’s succeeded many times since The Big Three left.</i></p>
<p>Sorry, question not clear.  I&#8217;m not disputing that he&#8217;s an excellent GM.  However:</p>
<p>&#8211;while Haren&#8217;s a great pitcher &#8212; and Harden would be if he could stay healthy &#8212; Gaudin and DiNardo aren&#8217;t up to the level of Mulder and Zito, and so they don&#8217;t have the steamroller rotation anymore;</p>
<p>&#8211;their offense has collapsed;</p>
<p>&#8211;they&#8217;re thin in the minors, lacking the elite prospects they would need to make major improvements; and thus</p>
<p>&#8211;they aren&#8217;t &#8220;95 wins on a shoestring&#8221; anymore.  Granted all of Beane&#8217;s ability, and granted that some of it&#8217;s bad fortune (Harden, especially), the fact remains that he wasn&#8217;t able to keep the A&#8217;s performing at the level they reached when guys like Hudson, Mulder, Zito and Tejada were at their peak in Oakland, and his organization hasn&#8217;t been able to identify and develop prospects who could replace their performance.  So, excellent GM, sure; but as good as the press clippings he used to generate?</p>
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		<title>By: eponymous coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>eponymous coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 01:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The Mariners are finding talent, but Bavasi inexplecibly just hasn’t been stupid enough yet to trade it all away for the likes of Paul Spoljaric, Mike Timlin, Terry Mulholland, and Heathcliff Slocumb like Woody Woodward did.&lt;/i&gt;

Raffy Soriano says &quot;Hi&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Mariners are finding talent, but Bavasi inexplecibly just hasn’t been stupid enough yet to trade it all away for the likes of Paul Spoljaric, Mike Timlin, Terry Mulholland, and Heathcliff Slocumb like Woody Woodward did.</i></p>
<p>Raffy Soriano says &#8220;Hi&#8221;.</p>
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