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Game 140, Mariners at Tigers
Jeff Weaver v. Nate Robertson. 4:05.
Richie Sexson returns to the lineup.
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With the lineup we’re running today, I’m happy to be sitting out in this nice sunny day outside of Rudys waiting for my haircut.
I switch over after from the Huskies have their game in the bag, and the first thing I hear is Blowers saying its great to have Richie’s big bat back in the lineup.
Mike, he has to actually hit the ball with said bat.
Wow, what a creative line-up to shake up the team.
I hate Justin Timberlake.
Do you think constantly schilling the company line slowly eats away at Blowers’ soul?
When will the MLB do something about this mickey mouse officiating!?
How could he possibly miss that?
Lord, WTF. Not only no A Jones, but the scourge that is Sexson?!
This is f$#%ing pathetic.
Well, Sexson’s playing.
High school football time. GO KENNEDY!
The stupid in me forgot to cancel my MLB.TV membership this month and the stupider in me is watching this game for some apparent reason.
Great Sexson up with two on. Ground out?
Blowers, speaking on the bullpen: “They’ve been a strength all year…but they’ve struggled a little bit over the past couple of weeks.”
A LITTLE bit, Mike?
10 – I forgot to cancel mine too and here I am. And I’m blacked out
from seeing the game anyway. And Sexson’s up. Heaven help me.
Well Sexson isnt so bad when he doesnt swing. lol
Betcha Kenji grounds out here.
I’d say facing an erratic Roberston is a great way for the M’s to start some sort of winning streak, but then again facing the M’s is probably a great way for Roberston to build some confidence and turn his season around. I like Robertson chances.
Three walks? Did Robertson not get the memo?
Yeah, Neihaus it’s gonna drop for a base hit — right into Carlos’ glove!
One run on three walks and an error. Nice…
Way to bust out, guys.
16 – yeah, I vote for Robertson too. Couldn’t bring myself to
really expect Kenji to even get a base-hit there.
Seems like Robertson was pulling a bit of an early-season Weaver there in the first.
I feel like crap today. So I decided to go ahead and watch the game.
Totally worth it now!
ICHI!
The crowd reaction on that was great. Attaboy, Ichiro.
Let us all remember that the frustrations of this season aside, our fleeting success let us keep Ichiro.
I do, however, feel kinda bad for him.
If Ichiro was actually Peter Parker would anyone be surprised?
Oh jesus.
Hey, for you kids watching at home… that’s not the way to make that play!
Well, that seals the deal on that 3 year contract….
Veteran goodness strikes again…
Too bad Ich couldn’t have run over to right to get that one!
A terminal case of Veteran Grit killed my mom, thanks for reminding me Guillen!!
Guillen!!! Wake up out there!! There’s a baseball game going on, and you’re in it!!
Uh, where’s AJ? Oh I forgot, we’re in a pennant race and we need that veteran suckiness. Speaking of suckiness, how about Norm Charlton and Mike Blowers up for blowhard homer of the year. I vote for Norm, on account of his brilliant endorsement of Rick White and his general denial of reality.
Come on Spiccoli, try to get us to the 3rd
Campillo warming up!
Why couldn’t we have kept the other Guillen? Yes, I know we have Yuni…but we could’ve put Carlos over at 1B like Leyland did for a few games last year.
At least it would’ve saved us from the black hole of suckitude that Sexson has turned out to be.
Weaver’s agent’s on his cell phone right now trying to remind Jeff that the 3 year, $30M deal isn’t looking so great now unless he starts actually caring and pitching.
Every time Jeff Weaver throws a pitch I die inside.
We are getting the Apr 10th, Apr 22nd, Apr 28th, Jul 15th (Det start), Sep 2nd version of Jeff Weaver.
Looks as though we may have another microcosm game on our hands..
Nice job, Jose…at least you got back one run of the three you gave away.
Uh… Weaver gave away the other two scott.
I don’t know why you guys hate Guillen so much. He is hitting 286 with 85 RBIs. What more can you ask for what the Ms are paying him. Guillen is not the problem…
The problem is starting pitching as it has been all year. The M’s just dont have it, forcing them to overuse their bullpen. That is the problem, not our RBI guy.
Ichiro tied Thurman Munson and Scott Rolen on the all time hit list. Scott Rolen is the first active player he has caught up to since Rondell White back in early August.
THAT’S why we win out of pitches out of the zone… I still don’t like it, but ok.
Today, Sexson-Johjima-Lopez is really looking like a real
1-2-3 black hole of hitting suckitude.
41: Ichy, I actually don’t hate Guillen. I know he’s had a heck of a year and generally plays his butt off.
Just venting over inopportune-moment frustration is all.
44- Today? Sexson has all year, Lopez half the year, and Johjima in stretches.
so I guess I missed the officiating and the Jose error. I did get to see the black hole, and now Jeff is walking the lead-off hitter.
why are we focussing on the home plate ump?
46 – True. I said today because every once in a blue moon Johjima does something.
FUck this.
Put in Campillo or I am done.
NOTE TO MAC: WE ARE GOING TO LOSE (gasps!!)
PLAY OUR YOUNG GUYS.
Sean Casey wishes he could grow a Gas Can goatee..
ah well, when I got in the car around 2:30, I could swear the Huskies were losing by the little bit of the half-time chatter I heard, so it was a nice surprise to find out that was not so
and #9, last night in his HS football game, my eldest nephew returned two fumbles for touchdowns
Now McClaren’s got a reverse incentive to sprinkle the youngsters in ineffectively — if he put out a pubescent line-up and they start tearing the cover off the ball, and end up finishing strong, it really makes him look like an idiot.
Whew! A free 5-day mlb.tv trial means I get to watch the game! I’m glad I didn’t get this a week earlier.
The Yuni-Bomber strikes again!
YUNIIIIIII!!!
YAY! The sad thing is tha Weaver will give it back.
The mailman just dropped off the Cheater’s Guide and The Book. (Thanks for the reading list. I already had Baseball Between the Lines, which makes a lot more sense after reading you guys for the last few months.) It’s awfully tempting to ditch the game and hit the books. But this stupid game of baseball (in the general sense) sucks me in and tantalizes me with the thought that if I watch, I’ll see another great catch, or awesome baserunning.
And as I type. there goes Yuni!!! I guess I’m here for the duration.
Yuni! And Niehaus hesitated so long to be sure, he never did say “Fly away” – that’s the first time I remember that happening.
It’s not true about Johjima. He is one of the better values on this team from an offensive perspective.
that one’s for you, Lauren, to make you feel better.
It’s not true about Johjima. He is one of the better values on this team from an offensive perspective.
How did you get a 5 day trial for mlbtv??
DO you have to pay?
not able to watch the game — how nice was Ichiro’s first inning catch?
not able to watch the game — how nice was Ichiro’s first inning catch?
not able to watch the game — how nice was Ichiro’s first inning catch?
Hmmm…I guess being in Detroit was what led Neihaus to start rambling about Mark “The Bird” Fidrych.
Unless, of course, he was thinking he might be a viable “replacement” on the roster for The Gas Can.
not able to watch the game — how nice was Ichiro’s first inning catch?
not able to watch the game — how nice was Ichiro’s first inning catch?
not able to watch the game — how nice was Ichiro’s first inning catch?
not able to watch the game — how nice was Ichiro’s first inning catch?
not able to watch the game — how nice was Ichiro’s first inning catch?
I think the server has the hiccups.
In other league news, Daisuke Matsuzaka just gave up a grand slam to Scott Moore of the Orioles in what WAS a 4-4 tie game in the bottom of the 3rd (O’s scored 7 of their 8 total runs in that inning). Dice-K’s out of the game now.
There’s a deal that’s not quite working out the way the price would make you think it should.
nasty stutter there..
Timo Perez seems to be putting on a defensive clinic as well.
I think the Red Sox are happy with the Matsuzaka deal.
61: I saw an ad for it on Gameday. When they offered a free trial at the beginning of the year, I did it several times with different email addresses, and as long as you cancel in time, you don’t have to pay.
you gotta love Granderson..
wow, you hardly ever see Ichiro lose his footing
That’s Granderson’s 22nd triple of the year…amazing!
seriously? Wow… thanks apunetid.
I am going to try to do that. Do I need a credit card #??
think if we offered the Tigers Sexson and Vidro for Granderson, they’d take it?
Nah.. me either..
Sexson is sooo graceful in the field..
I think Derek needs to examine the Detroit groundskeeping
80: I use a credit card. I don’t konw if you have to. Before you complete the purchase, make sure it mentions the thing about canceling within five days.
Boy, nobody could have predicted that Weaver would give back the Beltre HR.
Ok.. thanks apunetid.
The Mariners could be the first team to score a run in every inning and lose.
cover your eyes… sexson is out.
Current odds: K = 2:1
Groundout = 3:2
Pop Out = 5:4
for the love of all that is holy, PLEASE stop calling him “SEXY!” He so is NOT!!!
SHOCKER!!! He struck out! (gasps in shock!)
Ahh…another BRILLIANT plate appearance by Big Sucksy! >:(
But Kenji comes through.
But Weaver won’t… he will give it right back.
Robertson and Weaver fighting it out for the lead in giving up the lead!
I’m a little surprised Jimmy L. is actually pulling Robertson here — he could probably get Lopez out.
Huh. I note Leland is yanking Robertson right out of there. Like he’s in a pennant chase or something.
Mclaren would’ve probably left his starter out there to get a few more innings in…
Since we’re talking about how sexy (or not) Richie is, what kind of login is Sodom Ojo Ojo, anyway? I ask only for the perspective.
Jesus, watching Sexson is painful. Somehow he’s found a way to new nadirs of suckitude.
I like how the cutout around home plate at Comerica is shaped like home plate.
87 — Can I just say that would be so cool?
M’s score 1 run in each inning and still lose.
What else do we have to root for other than odd
aberrations like A Jones at-bats anyway?
Also I think Sexson means walrus vomit in Inuit.
96: And then send one of his sucky Grizzled Bullpen Vets in there to put the game totally out of reach.
With Seattle gone from the playoff picture, I’ve been looking to see if anything else interesting is happening in baseball. But Nada.
AL playoffs – no races, even playoff positioning is unlikely to change – wake-up when Yankees visit Angels and Cleveland goes to Boston.
NL (or tier II) playoffs – 3 crappy teams in a race for Central. Some drama in the West, but runner up likely to get WCard.
This baseball season is crawling to the finish. Ugh.
Oh yeah. Go Richie!
The Vern Fonk ads are borderline frightening.
Alex hit #50.
No Sims? There’s a nice surprise.
102: Actually, the NL playoffs might be more interesting this year — at least there won’t be four teams that you absolutely can’t stand seeing in the PS in there.
105: No Sims today or tomorrow; he’s on “a football assignment.”
Hey Dave
Why so anti-Lincecum? I know the walks are pretty high, but I’d think the strike outs (9.59/9 IP, 2.49 K/BB) and ground balls (47.6% grounders, 1.31 GB/FB ratio) would make up for it. Care to explain your disdain?
Satan just called and said it’s freezing!
In other news, Weaver K’s a major-league player
on three pitches.
“sodo mojo jojo” is contraction for early 90’s mariner ads (sodo mojo)and the power puff girls “villian” (mojo jojo).
Borderline? Those ads haunt my dreams.
Spicoli finds his groove…FINALLY!
Those Fonk ads ARE mega-scary!
I think Gameday is broken.
It claims Weaver just threw a 1-2-3 inning
on 9 pitches.
mmm, sodom.
114: Actually, Weaver may be broken..
Who’s scarier? Vern Fonk or Flynn the Carpet Guy?
I’m pretty sure I prefer ‘Sodom Ojo Ojo’, redolent as it is of satanic bestial influences in the Spanish navy…”Sodom!” “Aye-Aye!”
[putting shaggy dog back in kennel]
I vote for Fonk, hands down!
Dammit there goes our game of 1 run in every inning.
Wow…another putout that really may not have been…
Have we ever had a stretch with this many blown calls going against us? At what point do we begin to doubt their coincidental nature?
Once again a Griffey AB makes me miss a whole Mariner half.
The FSN-heads-on-microphones may be scarier than FlynnFonk..
The FSN ad, with the talking mics on the roof: “Richie’s up with the bases loaded…what are we waiting for?”
The correct answer to that, of course, is FOR HIM TO STRIKE OUT! :O
106: Ahh, I prefer the AL playoffs because the teams are better (and I have a negative rooting interest in the Yankees, and I enjoy watching Vlad play.)
Freakin’ Spiccoli..
Yup, there goes the ‘one run per inning’ deal.
Weaver’s gotten his ERA for the game back up to that comfy level of 9.
Alex just hit #51 and just missed #52 in the same inning.
Nice of you to wait until the game’s probably out of reach to lift Spicoli there, Mac.
Why don’t you put Parrish in there now to REALLY light things up?!
Now there’s the Weaver I know and detest!
And the late hook from Johnny Mac I know
and detest!
But the pitch efficiency carried over from the previous inning.
3 pitches, 2 runs. Betcha he’s out of the shower in 30 seconds.
Another 5 inning outing from our stalwart 5-man rotation.
5 innings and 7 runs from Weaver is equivalent
to a no-hitter from any other pitcher.
Now.. Mac is gonna use Green for the millionth time, and he will let up 2 more runs. Next, Morrow will let in a run and then George Sherill will finally get the third out. In the 7th inning, Parrish will come in and let another 2 runs score, and it will be the blowout we are used to.
You know, every time I see ARod has hit another HR it makes me think Scott Boras is adding on about $100,000 to his free agent asking price after the opt-out.
But no-hitters are flukie statistical anomalies.
Weaver coughing up bundles of runs is a high probability event.
here we go again… our top notch bullpen at its finest
You know what we could really use right now
is a veteran presence in the bullpen. Someone
really overweight and with a dyed goatee.
Wait a minute, they released Rick White!
Damn you, Bavasi!!!!!!!
Green has control tonight guys… whew!
Are these “the wars” that they keep talking about going through?
122: Probably not until we EVER (if ever) again get a real commissioner who’s not afraid to stand up to TV networks and their “maximized ratings” bean counters.
What’s more unbearable watching the game itself or listening to Rizz?
Listening to Rizz ofcourse. We could lose 25 in a row and the answer would still be listening to Rizz.
Are the Seattle Mariners calling this a war?
And the last two weeks of play was “just a flesh wound”?
135: Alas, it appears as if Spicoli and HoRam are again in competition for who can finish the year with the most non-quality starts.
The last two weeks have been a slow-motion
assisted suicide. But I’m sure that any
minute now Sexson will get hot and save the
season. Any minute. Yup. You wait and see.
Our top-notch bullpen shuts ‘em down again. Way to use your most overworked guy when you need to shut em down. Maybe if Green hadnt been used 100 times this year, he might have been a little more effective.
Does Kevorkian still live in Michigan? Though I’m not sure how much this suicide is assisted.
Rizzs doesn’t like Detroit. They were understandably harsh on him the year he worked there.
Raul hit a triple? Wow..
I have to admit, I was screaming at Raul not to run to third.
The shame is the offense is good tonight on a night when we can’t get anybody out.
Raul just tripled? Quick, check The Weather Channel and see if snow flurries in the forecast for Honolulu!
153 – A night we can’t get anybody out? You mean like every night the last two weeks?
150 – interesting history
Did the Ms listen to the tapes of Rizz’s previous gigs before they hired him o so long ago? I have browsed gameday audio, and he is one of the worse (and there are a lot of bad announcers out there – with the worst being the hometown homers that haunt a lot of markets.)
152- I was also.
You know, this game is STILL within reach…
Sexson is going to get hot right now, I can feel it.
Note to Mac: Raul’s probably gassed out from all that baserunning…good time for an AJ appearance!
Yesterday would have been nice to score 6 runs.
But I’m sure that any
minute now Sexson will get hot and save the
season. Any minute. Yup. You wait and see.
By lighting himself on fire, hugging McLaren and Bavasi, and then launching the mass of twisted limbs and torsos into the sound.
I can’t believe Sexson’s BA is still over .200.
Any time now “Sexson is gonna start carrying this team”…
Yeah. He is carrying them out of playoff contention.
162 – That is a beautiful vision.
In a metaphorical sense of course.
Can someone please put 159 on the queue list for stupid optimism on Sexson’s behalf??
I still prefer Rizzs to Sims. Rizzs’ voice is so bland I can completely ignore it unless I choose to tune in to find out something. Sims cannot be ignored.
Rizzs was with the Mariners since the mid-eighties. He left in 1992 to take over for Ernie Harwell. For inexplicable reasons the Mariners were happy to take him back after he fell on his face in Detroit.
166 — Come now, you missed the silent
dripping sarcasm in my fraudulent Sexson
boosting. Dude has been a fricking anchor.
159, 166 – Thought he was referring to a space heater under the bench?
162: they’re in Detroit.. it’d be a lake they’d throw themselves into.
JLo, automatic DP machine – at least at the plate. . .
168: nobody was going to be able to follow Harwell given the way the Tigers handled that.. not Rizzs’ fault..
169- I got it completely. So you were joking. I was joking. And McLaren must be joking with all his decisions.
New game! Which one of us three shouldn’t be joking and trying to get a win?
I will give USSM a hint, its not me or G_A_Lives…
174 — umm let me guess. That’s a hard one.
I think the answer is start Reed in LF,
move Sexson to DH and Bloomquist 1b every day
the rest of the way.
Just to shake things up a little.
When was the last time a pitcher walked off the mound with a sense of I did my job its time for _____ to come in and finish up the job?
They all look like they hate Johnny Mac and want to throw the ball at him when they get pulled.
171 I can’t imagine they’ll launch themselves into anything as potentially flammable as the great lakes. At best it will happen in a few days, when they’ve returned to Seattle.
150: Funny you should mention that…I was living in Michigan at the time and remember hearing Rizzy calling a few Tiger games. Yes, the fans WERE a bit harsh on him…however, a lot of that had to do with that idiot Bo Schembechler (yeah, the SAME Bo who coached the Wolverines to the Rose Bowl — but later became the GM of the Tigers for a time!) inexplicably canning Ernie Harwell during that previous off-season.
Ernie was such an icon amongst Tiger fans, they could’ve replaced him with Vin Scully, Harry Caray, or Phil Rizzuto and they would’ve STILL been pissed!
175! DING DING DING! You have just won the grand prize!! You have two choices for a prize.
#1, You can sink a teams playoff chances with awful in game decisions with your supreme lack of tactical baseball knowledge…
OR
#2, You can sink a franchise by signing old fat WAR grizzled veterans and single hitters with your supreme lack understanding how to evaluate talent…
168: Sorry about the “stolen thunder” there, Jack. We were thinking along the same line, but I just don’t type fast enough!
NYY 11
KC 2
So even if we win, we gain no ground.. ;(
179 — When you say over-the-hill singles hitter,
all I can think of is DH deliciousness.
Mmmmmmm. . .goes down so smooth.
so what was the possible missed call? I was away again– was that the inning with the baserunners where no one scored, just before Jeff gave up the go-ahead runs?
WTF. . .why walk Inge to pitch to Granderson. . .
wtf??!!
Even if this works its insane.
Oh I get the strategy now. Load the bases and pitch
to .342 hitting Polanco. Parrish time. Mac’s a genius.
wow, Ryan R-S must really like that fudge
The only good thing about this situation is that there’s no Gas Can to bring in..
Look at his splits, it was the right call. Granderson sucks against lefties.
183: Msb — If it’s the one I was referring to, yeah, it was just before that. With two outs, Jose Gullen grounded out to Inge to “end” the inning — though it looked like he might have beaten out the play for an infield hit.
Another 7th inning meltdown..
Yeah, worked great.
186- Of course… why wouldn’t you bring in a guy you dropped a few months ago to pitch to a very low K and high average guy.
Like I said, why wouldn’t you??
Tigers 11 McLaren -11
Granderson’s splits vs. lefties aren’t to great to be fair.
And there’s a double down the line for Polanco scoring 3. Nice bit of strategy by genius McLaren there.
A touchdown here puts us back in the league. Man this
is beyond pathetic. . .I feel like a vulture hovering
over this wreck of a team.
“Granderson’s splits vs. lefties aren’t to great to be fair.”
“Aren’t to great” is being kind, he’s .157/.205/.270 vs LHP.
Yep, McLaren’s sure padding out that resume for Manager of the Year…
Apparently I made the wrong decision not to go read. Or scratch my eyes out.
198: Mangler of the Year, maybe..
200:
Is Ichiro fast enough to score 6 runs in one at-bat?
Guess it’s mail it in time. Good thing our
Solid Bullpen TM picked up our Resurgent
Starting Pitching TM.
CoolStandings had the M’s playoff chances at 2.8% before this debacle.. probably below 1% tomorrow. Such a shame..
Why nobody complained Mac not pinch-hitting for Lopez at the top of 7th? It was a 2 run game with a slow runner at 1st. Why do they have Ben Broussard for? Mac PH for Lopez yesterday with Reed in that situation. Granted, Lopez hit a ground ball between the SS and 3B which normally should be a base hit, but with Joh running from 1B, it’s just a ground out. But in this case, you are one swing away from tieing the game. Why not have Broussard or Jeff Clement hit there?
I forgot what it was like to have your offense take a lead, get a quality start from your SP, bring your bullpen in the 7th, have Sherrill, Green and Morrow actually get guys out, then have JJ come in once the 9th came around.
This is sad. The last time I saw JJ, we were 20 games over 500 and 3 games up on the Yankees in the WC. ;(
Is it possible for CoolStandings to register negative readings on playoff chances, I wonder?
7 innings too late for Campillo
JJ – the loneliest job in the world the last two weeks.
and Michigan has been skunked twice since he had a meaningful inning…
We’ve now 1-13 in the last 14 games.
How much worse does it have to get until the FO sours on McLaren?
Nice 12-6 curve, wish I had been watching that the last two weeks. Wow.
207: there is a trend-line graph.. the Ms’ curve over the last two weeks looks like Bob Hope’s nose..
205: I was kinda wondering myself why Ben Broussard has been on the roster all season — since, after all, he just doesn’t possess the same degree of that much-vaunted Veteran Goodness that Big Sucksy does.
just what the Tigers needed.. an insurance run..
212: And, ironically, that IS the score now…
and Pudge goes opposite field off Campillo … at least every pitcher the Ms have trotted out there so far has been consistent. Sigh.
so, at what point does Neihaus decide that hanging around waiting for the Ford Frick award won’t make up for having to call another decade of losing baseball?
214: I think the proper comp might be Eduardo Perez, who is so embued with Veteran Goodness that he’s on Baseball Tonight..
Timo Perez just hit a triple off us for his 3rd hit of the night. You can now officially consider me clinically depressed, any chance McLaren pays for me medical visits? He did it to me.
what was Dave’s phrase for Campillo? Organizational fodder?
How many games might different managing and lineups have saved — realistically — over the last 14? Three or four perhaps? Anyway to put a sabre metric on it?
#219– Eduardo also has Baseball Heritage.
He did it to me
The bastard!.
Yorman!
My man?? No, YORMAN!
so did Jeff Frazier do anything this year as the warm body they got for Yorman?
Our orginizational fodder gives up home runs…
Tigers unknown random guy gets K, F8, 4-3.
These games have me feeling like Bill Murray in Ground Hogs Day.. every day is always the same..
Gee, did we really need that Sleep Country factoid on Sexson’s five grand slams just now?
Wooo! Another game augered in by the M’s.
Yeah, but Bill Murray had the ability to change his days. We’re passive participants, depending on the kindness of others.
These guys remind me of a major league team all right…
The Cleveland Indians in Major League!
(Er, wait, THEY at least won the WS…)
@233 scott19
Despite making it to the playoffs, it would be revealed in Major League II that they were swept in the American League Championship Series by the Chicago White Sox, who went on to win the World Series.
232: what’s frustrating is the extent to which we can see it coming..
ya Jeff Frazier was SOOO worth Yorman Bazardo
it was another blown call on Ichiro!??
did he argue this one, too?
Thank God that Football season starts tomorrow for the Hawks
At coolstandings.com, they now have our wildcard odds at 1.0% What I think is really funny, though, is that we still have a 0.1% shot at the division title.
Dear Mariners: Please start firing, releasing, and trading players asap. Enough is enough
The MLB headline for the game recap says the M’s couldn’t survive another bullpen meltdown.
But wait. Looking at the box score, we scored 6 runs, and our starting pitcher allowed 7 runs, so the contribution of the bullpen was completely irrelevant. Wasn’t it?