Comments on: The Value of Adrian Beltre http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: niterunner http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/comment-page-2/#comment-235562 niterunner Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:11:28 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/#comment-235562 gwangung - so no other counter evidence than he's young. gwangung – so no other counter evidence than he’s young.

]]> By: terry http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/comment-page-2/#comment-235513 terry Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:42:03 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/#comment-235513 <blockquote>Anyone else for counter evidence, other than a “not bad” OPS?</blockquote> Are you seriously suggesting that your evaluation of Triunfel is the definitive one? There is a little more to player development and evaluation than looking up 400+ AB by a 17 year old on BBR.com........

Anyone else for counter evidence, other than a “not bad” OPS?

Are you seriously suggesting that your evaluation of Triunfel is the definitive one? There is a little more to player development and evaluation than looking up 400+ AB by a 17 year old on BBR.com……..

]]> By: gwangung http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/comment-page-2/#comment-235510 gwangung Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:36:53 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/#comment-235510 For someone who harps on the paucity of evidence, you're offering very little evidence yourself. Basically, you've cited a sample size of 2 right now. Granted that Beltre put up monster numbers at a minor leaguer. What's the general career arc of a minor leaguer who debuts so young? You're the one who claims that this year shows Truinfel isn't much of a power hitter. You need to support it, and you haven't done so. Citing one other example is far from convincing--it looks like you do only enough work to support the immediate point. Be more comprehensive and you'll be more convincing. For someone who harps on the paucity of evidence, you’re offering very little evidence yourself. Basically, you’ve cited a sample size of 2 right now.

Granted that Beltre put up monster numbers at a minor leaguer. What’s the general career arc of a minor leaguer who debuts so young?

You’re the one who claims that this year shows Truinfel isn’t much of a power hitter. You need to support it, and you haven’t done so. Citing one other example is far from convincing–it looks like you do only enough work to support the immediate point.

Be more comprehensive and you’ll be more convincing.

]]> By: niterunner http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/comment-page-2/#comment-235406 niterunner Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:19:43 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/#comment-235406 Anyone else for counter evidence, other than a "not bad" OPS? Anyone else for counter evidence, other than a “not bad” OPS?

]]> By: galaxieboi http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/comment-page-2/#comment-235390 galaxieboi Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:08:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/#comment-235390 17 is entirely too early to judge Triunfel's power potential. In Hi-A ball he put together a .689 OPS. Not bad considering most of his competition are 20-21 year olds and college players. He's at least 2 years away from really passing ANY kind of judgement on. Beltre is set at 3B for the next two years. They've got bigger problems at other positions. And yes, 3B is normally a power spot, but if you make it up elsewhere, who cares? My concern is the M's are starting to look like a team that'll hardly hit any homers in 2 or 3 years. 17 is entirely too early to judge Triunfel’s power potential. In Hi-A ball he put together a .689 OPS. Not bad considering most of his competition are 20-21 year olds and college players. He’s at least 2 years away from really passing ANY kind of judgement on. Beltre is set at 3B for the next two years. They’ve got bigger problems at other positions. And yes, 3B is normally a power spot, but if you make it up elsewhere, who cares? My concern is the M’s are starting to look like a team that’ll hardly hit any homers in 2 or 3 years.

]]> By: niterunner http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/comment-page-2/#comment-235387 niterunner Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:59:26 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/#comment-235387 Against the same type of competition or better that Triunfel spent half his year at. Against the same type of competition or better that Triunfel spent half his year at.

]]> By: terry http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/comment-page-2/#comment-235386 terry Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:59:15 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/#comment-235386 Actually minor league numbers are good and all but it doesn't mean anything until a player proves it on the major league level-especially in the clutch. Actually minor league numbers are good and all but it doesn’t mean anything until a player proves it on the major league level-especially in the clutch.

]]> By: gwangung http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/comment-page-2/#comment-235385 gwangung Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:47:31 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/#comment-235385 And what kind of competition was that against? You keep ignoring context. Stop that. And what kind of competition was that against?

You keep ignoring context. Stop that.

]]> By: niterunner http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/comment-page-2/#comment-235384 niterunner Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:35:21 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/#comment-235384 Ah, yes and your phantom evidence is...?? I see Tim gave me one sample - I'll match that. Beltre at age 17, 26HRs 472ABs Ah, yes and your phantom evidence is…??

I see Tim gave me one sample – I’ll match that. Beltre at age 17, 26HRs 472ABs

]]> By: gwangung http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/comment-page-2/#comment-235383 gwangung Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:01:55 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/10/the-value-of-adrian-beltre/#comment-235383 <blockquote> Well, you would have to think that’s the exception rather than the rule. </blockquote> Well, no...that's what YOU'RE thinking. But you've yet to present any evidence. You keep ignoring that Truinfel is facing pitchers substantially older and more experienced than he is.

Well, you would have to think that’s the exception rather than the rule.

Well, no…that’s what YOU’RE thinking.

But you’ve yet to present any evidence. You keep ignoring that Truinfel is facing pitchers substantially older and more experienced than he is.

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