Game 152, Mariners at Angels
DMZ · September 20, 2007 at 6:12 pm · Filed Under Game Threads
Wooo! New starter! Feierabend versus Weaver!
Standard old new no-Sexson, Vidro-in-#6 hole lineup. The Angels’ magic number is three for the AL West title, so they won’t clinch tonight — and it’d be nice to force them to do that against some other team. Call me a grump.
(I believe New York’s number is 5, and they’re not playing tonight)
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Also, if they can’t clinch it against the M’s in the next 4 days, they can’t clinch it at home, either. That would require three wins in the next four days which seems kind of unlikely…but who knows.
I would laugh so hard if the Mariners swept the Angels.
This way the Angels would have to play out the final week of the season instead of lining up their starting pitching for the playoffs.. lol.
Go M’s!
I’m gonna have to give the advantage to the Angels this game with this lineup and pitching matchup.
Actualy, thanks to Stupid Fox nobody has to worry about lining up their starting pitching for the playoffs (unless there’s a one-game tiebreaker).
What a joke. I hate extra off days in the playoffs. Travel days are okay, but everything above and beyond that just seems to kill interest.
FYI Shannon Drayer is going to have Felix on the KOMO radio pre-game show in the next few minutes.
I’m just happy to watch my favorite pitcher, John Lackey, this series. Talk about someone who “knows how to pitch.” He may get beaten, but it’ll rarely be because he makes a mistake. He’s a pleasure to watch.
Note to Fox: There is several reasons the NBA playoffs have terrible ratings, but one of the biggest ones it how insanely boring it gets when you have to wait two days between games.
I wish no ill on my favorite sport, but I hope the ratings flop this year and Fox realizes its idiotic plan should be spiked.
#1 Absolutely, I just want the Ms to make life more difficult than it has to be for the Angels. I know its just a consolation, but its worth something.
“There are.” Sorry, sloppy self-editing.
Fox? You hope Fox realizes something is idiotic?
Come on. Fox, as a network, has loooong proven they have no sense about these kind of things.
11: Sigh. I know. I just like to dream sometimes . . .
Come on. Fox, as a network, has loooong proven they have no sense about these kind of things.
Actually, has any network shown any sense about sports? Three or four networks have utterly failed to beat the NFLs idiotic replay (rhymes with de-lay) rules to death. We of course have the ongoing Byzantine Blackout rules for many sports. Then there’s the preference for “innovative” camera angles that make it impossible to see the play. FSN occasionally goes two or three batters into the inning before remembering to turn on the graphics (why are they ever off?). And don’t get me started on the Olympics…
Sorry, I’m ranting because I’m trying to set up cable service at a new house and frankly just wish Amazon would go into the cable business. So I’m a little cranky.
Gah…if Fox wants to drag out the MLB playoffs for as bloody long as the those of the NBA & NHL, why don’t they just make a push for a 154-game RS schedule with the top-8 teams in each league playing in four PS rounds rather than three?
Then, instead of bemoaning our impending mathematical elimination, we’d all be all be speculating how-many-rounds-and-out we’d go in the post-season right now.
A ten-pitch out has value.
Every time Ichiro breaks a bat I feel sorry for the 70-something year old guy who has to handcraft another one for him.
16: I don’t. He probably makes a pretty penny off that deal.
Because if 8 teams per league went to the post-season, both the Blue Jays and Twins would qualify — and right now the Twins aren’t over .500 and the Blue Jays easily might not be by the end of the season. The old east-west divisional alignment used to be brutal, but 8 teams per league swings too far the other way into NHL-style “Who cares what happens over the entire season? Everybody qualifies!” territory.
Heh, I envision some elderly Mizuno employee in Japan slavishly working 16 hour days, wishing that Ichiro would just retire so that he could too.
By the way, I guess the batmaker may not always be the same person. I remembered reading about this, but it turns out that it’s the glove which is made specifically by one guy.
Ooh, can you say “dead to rights?”
Oh, man, that’s so satisfying.
The problem with a great pickoff move early in the game is that everybody’s careful after that. So you get the out, yes, and maybe you prevent some steals, but maybe you don’t get an out later in the game when it would be more crucial.
22 – Doesn’t that mean you have effectively shut down the running game? And wouldn’t that be more valuable than maybe getting one pickoff later in the game?
Just intrigued, not confrontational. heh.
Yeah, could be. Afterall, you might not get the pickoff later anyway. Just trying out a contrary thought. (And annoyed I was out of the room and didn’t see actually see it).
So, then the question becomes whether a good pickoff move has the same chilling effect as a spectacular outfield assist. You tend to only see one of those per game from an outfielder, too, since everyone wises up in a hurry.
(I’m still annoyed that I didn’t get to see the 1986 World Series, as my buddy had a handful of good Angels Series tickets pre-Donnie Moore)
Payback is a mof’ker.
The collective gasp on Lopez’s barehander there was pretty neat.
THAT is why you don’t move Lopez this offseason. He’ll figure out the rest as we go.
I don’t care if he got him or not – that’s the best defensive play the M’s have made this year.
I believe that was something Blowers mentioned pre-game, shutting down their running game (not Donnie Moore) by showing you could …
There are guys who can make that stop, but WAY fewer who can accurately make that throw.
Gotta actually make the out for it to be the best play of the year. Beltre still has that category covered.
is Weaver picking himself up off the ground again?
Yeah, Lopez’s throw was almost as impressive as the bare-handed stop. He got a pretty strong throw on the ball while running the other way. Impressive.
I’m still crabby about that play Beltre made that the ump got the call wrong on
30 – I think it’s taboo to mention Donnie Moore. I wish my friend would have at least kept the tickets instead of burning them ceremonially.
may I just say that it would be nice to cash in on some of these baserunners?
You know, throughout all the ups and downs of this M’s season, falling in and out of contention, Weaver sucking, then having a month of non-suck, then sucking again, Jones getting promoted to be Jason Ellison, and so on, there has been once shining constant: Beltre appealing his own check swings.
Since when to the Mariners take pitches like this?
*me eating my own words* Nice swing Ibanez.
hahah.. nice timing on that leap!
Replay looks like Guillen was safe, but thanks to him anyways for being a d-bag.
The pine-tarred helmet look is so 1978.
Why not just walk Vlad every time he’s up?
…Wow.
Hey, it looks like we have a fifth starter lined up for next year. Horacio Ramirez version 3.1
Looks like the wheels are coming off of this one…
Of course, that implies the wheels were on at the start.
Sims’ reaction to the Johjima HBP was weird. “Have a clue!”
Closed-captioned comedy on the telecast:
“And a Happy 94th Birthday to a big marijuana — Mariner fan” ….
oh look what I missed.
my, that potential third run+ if only the ump had got the call right looks bigger now.
omfg
Vlad
Vlad
JUST WALK HIM EVERY TIME HE GETS UP!
well, maybe not so much now, after Vlady.
Sooner or later, I think the benches are going to clear in this game.
Vlad’s going down as one of the great Mariner killers. Ken Singleton, George Brett, Rafael Palmeiro . . .
so, what was the deal with Joh’s HBP? Is there a reason Vlad might think Campillo was throwing inside?
I think Vlad is an everyone-killer.
oh, and apparently the biceps tendinitis that is putting Vlad at DH doesn’t affect his hitting.
shall I?
RAUUUUUUUUL!!!!
ok, that might do it for me, too.
Uh, how many pick offs do we need to figure this one out?
Well Raul got to 20 dingers. Never thought it would happen.
57. Vlad does kill everybody. I went back to check on Ken Singleton, though. My impression from back in the day was that he ate the Mariners alive as I listened to Dave Niehaus’s palpable disgust. Over 73 career games, it was true. He was career .282/.388/.436. Against the Mariners, he did this: .341/.452/.690. In 1979 and 1980, he slugged more than 200 points better against the Mariners than any other team he faced, and in 1978 the Mariners were his second favorite target. Of course, a lot of other guys feasted on Mariner pitching and he was at his peak at that time, but I distinctly remember (and Jim Thomsen and a few others will too) Singleton absolutely busting the Mariners, especially in Baltimore where they just couldn’t seem to beg a win in those days.
Well, Vlad is an everyone-killer to be sure, but because he switched leagues he has over 100 PA against everybody (except the Nationals and Angels, naturally). The only team he has less than a .750 OPS against is the Twins, for some reason; he’s under 900 against eight teams, and he’s over 1.0 against nine. The top 5:
Opp Avg. OPS
TEX .415 1.219
PHI .366 1.181
SEA .370 1.144
ARI .329 1.123
BAL .353 1.075
So, yeah, he kills everybody… but he kills Texas, the Phillies, and Seattle most of all.
Darren Oliver. That left-handedness is a gift that keeps on giving.
Singleton (for the many who want to know) also hit 24 home runs against Seattle in those 73 games. In the days of balanced schedules, his runnerup was Detroit with 19.
As for George Brett, he killed everybody too, but his highest BA was against Seattle (.329) and his OPS was .931 against them, second only to the other expansion team, Toronto (.953).
Gameday viewer here…what’s going on?
Hey, can we at least lose with some class?
Campillo threw at Vlad’s head.
Campillo threw at Vlad’s head. Benches cleared.
Campillo threw behind Vlad. Vlad took offense. Ump threw Campillo out.
Of all the people to throw at . . .
I suppose if you’re going to throw at someone, you shouldn’t go for the head.
What did I tell you? (see #54).
I forget how this works, who’s batter is Vlad?
74. Should the Angels throw at Ichiro or at someone else?
Would they really risk the suspensions?
Can anyone picture Ichiro charging the mound?
No. But I can imagine him skipping out to it.
He certainly wont dive for it. *rimshot*
Well . . . maybe he would.
I think it’s interesting that Ichiro! said he wants to get the batting title for the fans. He’s said with other milestones that they weren’t that important to him. Is he feeling bad about this season (from the fans’ point of view, I mean. I’m sure he’s disappointed as hell as a player)?
boy, every time I go do something else, some one throws at someone, apparently. Is Campillo trying to get back at Vlad, or is he just trying not to give him something to hit?
I assumed everyone was warned? was Campillo tossed?
Everyone was warned earlier, when the ball went behind Mathis. Campillo and Mac got tossed.
boy, between Campillo’s aggresiveness? ineptness? and Guillen’s focus on payback to the detriment of his play, not a good game all round.
me, I imagine Ichiro flying out to the mound in one of those slo-mo Jet Li-type attacks.
this game is not ending on Ichiro’s watch.
He got his hit. Too bad it wasn’t more.
After having consumed 4 (four) mojitos at Cactus tonight, I’d like to say:
McLaren still sucks.
Vidro still sucks.
And congratulations, Mike. You deserved it.
deserved what?
You know, if I was a pitcher planning to throw at the other team’s star, I think I’d go and check with Ichiro first. You have to figure he’s the guy they’re going to retaliate against, and I doubt he’d appreciate being a pawn in some penny-ante pissing match in a season that’s going nowhere.
88… 700 wins.
89 – Scioscia got his 700 win tonight.
ah. I missed it, being back half-listening to the radio, not really wanting to see the hand-shaking & high-fiving.
I find it hard to believe that Mac would call for ‘retaliation’ in a game like this, if Joh was just hit, and not hit on purpose– so do we put it down to Campillo pitching like Campillo, or him deciding to go all manly?
I don’t think Mac had anything to do with it, nor do I think Joh was hit on purpose. I think it was a macho thing. When Vlad hit the HR, he showed up Campillo, so Campillo went back at him.
Wow, we’re getting close to fewer posts than wins here. Season must be winding down.
ah well.
so, the Astros go with Ed Wade over Dan Evans. Bad idea?
Drayer speculating on the post-game:
she thinks that if they were def. going to extend Guillen, they would have done it by now, but that the Byrnes deal may have killed it– Guillen is going to want more time & money than they want to give him
she mentioned Richie’s being claimed by Detroit, and that there may be a market for him, poss. the whole ‘change of scene’ notion coming into play
Vidro thinks he could play 1B full-time, but Mac doesn’t think Vidro could play 1B full-time.
She thinks there is no doubt Adam is in the outfield next season, and maybe another young player out there as well if they move Guillen on, or Raul to DH. She did not mentione Raul to 1st, which is interesting.
Well, after Dave’s discussion with Bavasi, we know that the “young player” in question isn’t going to be Balentien. So who does that leave?
95: I dunno about anyone else, but I have nothing to say.
#98: I’m crossing my fingers that it isn’t Jeremy Reed or Bryan LaHair, but rather it turns out to be Kosuke Fukudome of Japan (even though he is in his early 30’s).
Well, they have Broussard’s rights for 2008. A Broussard/Vidro platoon where Vidro does time at DH/1B/2B might not be TOO awful.
96: Former governor Dan Evans? He must a hundred years old…lol.
From Baker’s story. Interesting that Vlad’s never charged a mound before, given how often pitchers must get mad enough to throw at him.
I’m surprised that he and Clemens have never gotten into it, given the way The Rocket likes to headhunt.
I never wish for players to be hurt, but in the case of headhunters, I’m often tempted. A deliberate fastball to the head should be criminal.