Game 153, Mariners at Angels
Washburn v Saunders! Joe Saunders. You know him, right? He’s that one guy.
Jones in left, bats 7th. Ibanez takes over at DH, Vidro takes first.
Also, Dave adds that Jorge Campillo was suspended for four games, and John McLaren for tonights game, as the result of Campillo throwing at Vladimir Guerrero last night. Honestly, I’m not sure four games is enough – what Campillo did was ridiculous and petty. Don’t like Vlad showing you up when you gave up a HR on your 85 MPH fastball? Hit him in the back. Message sent, move on. Throwing at someone’s head shouldn’t be tolerated, and honestly, if Vlad had charged the mound, I’d have been rooting for him to get a few good shots in before everyone broke it up. It’s basically inevitable that a Mariner hitter is going to get drilled in the next few days and we’re probably going to see a fight. Let’s just hope no one gets hurt because Jorge Campillo wanted to be an idiot.
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I’ll throw the first punch here, looks like rain in So Cal. Might be two tomorrow.
I disagree.
I hope Campillo gets hurt and there can be stops of him starting pitching in ‘08.
Hmm. Do we know for sure Jorge was aiming for Vlad’s head? I mean, yeah, he doesn’t have the greatest control of his pitches, and he could’ve indeed been aiming at his back…
Why do you advocate hitting a player with a baseball in his back but not his head? You’re still risking a player’s health and livelihood in throwing a baseball toward their back or in punching them.
1, I’m 25 minutes south of Anaheim, it’s not raining.
The only thing Campillo has going for him is control of his pitches. Considering the way Vlad barked at him during the previous at-bat, the admiration of his home run, and the location of the pitch, I think the default assumption has to be that it was aimed at his head.
yet
Why do you advocate hitting a player with a baseball in his back but not his head?
You can’t die by getting hit in the back with a fastball.
So as long as the player doesn’t die it’s fair game? Is it ok to go for the knees or ribs?
9 – One of the reasons umpires don’t issue warnings after the first batter gets hit is that it’s part of baseball to retaliate. When they tried to crack down on hitting batters a few years ago, the number of fights in baseball went up. It’s the only way, especially in the AL to keep a pitcher honest. Each team has to know that if their guy drills someone, they are going to get hit back.
I don’t have a problem not retaliating if a HBP is purely accidental, but I also don’t have a problem with retaliation in that event. But you can’t let pitchers throw at someone’s head without some kind of punishment, and their own team pressure is more effective than suspensions.
5 – I’m about 30 minutes north of Anaheim and it is raining here.
4- Do you really not seeing the difference between aiming at the back and aiming at the head? Or are you just being feisty?
Because that’s like saying “I don’t see how you can advocate spanking your child if you won’t advocate stabbing them.”
One is tremendously more dangerous than the other.
9: It might have been if Vince McMahon would’ve ever started an Extreme Baseball League.
Maybe we should make them throw tennis balls??
It’s baseball, people get hit. Get over it.
I am with Dave on this one, head is the only no zone. The back is the best place to get hit, well besides the ass I guess.
So as long as the player doesn’t die it’s fair game?
I don’t think anyone’s condoning throwing at players, but like it or not, it’s a part of baseball. And the code is: If you’re going to hit a guy, you hit him in the back. Even Vlad said after the game:
“If I’m going to get hit, fine. You can hit me. But if they want to hit me please stay away from my head.”
I like this quote from Wikipedia. I wonder if it’s still true with cameras in every park now.
“The most common sign the catcher gives, if he or the coach wants to plunk a batter is simply giving the pitcher the middle finger.”
I’ll call BS on that. Throwing at a guy is the pitchers decision – the catcher doesn’t call for it. It may be discussed in the dugout between innings, but since the pitcher is the one who has to deal with the hitter charging the mound and the suspension from the league, it’s almost always his call.
Pretty much the only exception is if the manager brings in a pitcher for the sole purpose of throwing at a hitter – then, he doesn’t get to decide if he wants to or not. Just ask Sean Tracey.
So the Devil Rays are becoming the Rays in ‘08, and introduced a new logo and uniform. I’m not exactly digging it.
16 – That makes sense to me. That’s why Wikipedia is fun to read and useless for real information.
17- You win.
I don’t see the upside to throwing at Vlad at this point, though. You’re just asking for Ichiro to get plunked, and possibly hurt, and with the batting title in reach he’s the only player on the M’s who has something meaningful left to play for.
I was disappointed in Mac’s post-game comments and behavior. At least publicly, he never rebuked Campillo or his actions. When Padilla threw at Swisher, out of his own petty desires, Ron Washington made Padilla apologize to the team for hurting his team and causing a fight. I remember LaRussa also admonishing a pitcher either this year or last for doing the same thing. Is there any hint that Mac took similar steps with Campillo. From my vantage point, Mac seems like an enabler of bad behavior, provided his enabling makes him likeable to his veteran players.
Seriously, I don’t get the new Rays logo. What are they saying? “Help! Our 3rd baseman exploded!” Is this a baseball team, or Spinal Tap?
17 – at least they’re weather appropriate.
Yankees have pulled to within 4-2 against the Blue Jays, bottom of ninth, two outs, runners on first and third, Cano at bat.
They just tied it, actually.
Blue Jays 4, Yankees 4. Bottom of the ninth, two outs, runners on first and second, Cabrera at bat.
A manager in baseball bringing in a pitcher for the sole purpose of hitting a batter is the equivalent of a head coach in hockey bringing in the team’s enforcer in the last ten seconds of a losing game just to hurt guys — i.e. thuggery for thuggery’s sake.
I hope the M’s wins just so the announcers shut up. I hate the Angel guys.
22: Too funny!
27: Gotta love the unmatched professionalism of Rex “Crime Dog” Hudler…NOT! >:(
The announcer sounds like a guy in a basement who hacked the FSN feed and puts his own audio in. He is the John McLaren of announcing.
No way Guillen lets the Angels clinch against him…
25 – the stupid Yankees are making me miss the M’s game, which won’t be shown here until the Jays are done.
I guess it could be the stupid Jays for letting the Yankees tie.
32 — Guillen has little say in the matter at this point.
27, 29 — Couldn’t agree more. God these guys are horrible. I thought
the Mariners announcers sucked. These guys really make me want to
vomit. Please Mariners get good again in a year or two so I don’t have to
listen to these guys gloating anymore.
Dude I got tough hands like O.C. Word.
If Campillo was going to be so mad at Vlad hitting a hr and taunting him as he did it, maybe he shouldn’t have brushed him back AND THEN throw a batting practice pitch down the pipe.
I mean what did he honestly think Vlad would do to such a sad down the middle pitch?
I wonder if I can get a Rays t-short with Steve Irwin on it.
Hudler sounds like a stoned surfer.
LOL Jose Lopez gave Vidro a look like Damn who is this guy pretending
to be able to field a defensive position?!
Barry Bonds is leaving the Giants? There has to be room for another DH on our roster, right?
37: Gah…could you imagine him and Jeff Weaver calling a game together?
Betcha the Angies wind up with Bonds — just so Fox can have an excuse to ram them both down our throats about every other Saturday again next year.
Bonds is really only suited to DH; he has ties to the Bay Area but lives in SoCal. And he’s going to want way more money than he’s worth, so there’s no way the A’s will bite. Hmmm, AL team in SoCal, has been talking about getting a “bopper” for a couple of seasons now, who could that be?
Vidro looked like trash on that at-bat. How about seeing if the hobbled pitcher can actually throw something over the plate?
I hope Beltre hits 100 rbi.
Because while the difference between 99 and 10 is 1 to most of us… to certain people in the media the difference is about 80 or so.
42: Fancy that!
Again, from Fox’s perspective, it kills two birds with one stone.
Neihaus just mentioned that “Washburn has been having problems getting into the seventh inning lately.”
LATELY, Uncle Dave? Try most of his career!
This just in, Campillo is no Campolo. Hudler says it, so it’s so.
no = now dammit
We say Campillo and Rex says Campolo…
Actually, could we make that two birds with one Stone(man)?
Anyone know Spanish? The Halos Heaven blog is sponsoring the Campillo page at Baseball-Reference.com and left this message there:
Campillo buscando por la cabeza de Vladimir Guerrero, porque Campillo no tiene cessos.
I’ve got the la cabeza, but not the rest of it.
Well, Rizzy and Uncle Dave are now reminiscing about 2001…guess they’ve “officially” lost interest in this game.
51: rough translation: Campillos was looking for the head of Vladimir Guerro, because Campillo doesn’t have (cessos?). I don’t know what that last word means.
That was like watching a whale trying to beach itself.
vidro at first = gold baby, gold
Boy, Vidro did everything wrong on that play. He came off the bag and still let the ball get by him. Excellent work.
#52 — Dave lost interest in the season about a week or so ago. During one game he spent a whole inning with Blowers discussing his old summer jobs in South Dakota. Don’t get me wrong, it is quaint and entertaining, but, yeah, he has lost interest.
We’ve got a Turbo that’s as big as a whale…
Wonder if he can set sail?!
53 – That’s about what I figured. Thanks.
Hey, so is anyone going to tell us what “cessos” means? It’s killing me.
It’s not that I’ve lost interest in the game, but these damned Yankees and Jays are still going at it and not keeping the M’s off the air.
Campillo’s only mistake was head-hunting – both times. I can see going up and in on Vlad (though they had also gone up and in on the catcher, I think, which should have ended it) after Weaver plunked Joh. Had he just gone up and in, but not at the head, or even hit Vlad or somebody else, Vlad would have had no cause for showboating on that HR. As it was, he did. Campillo compounded the mistake of head-hunting and not realizing that Vlad’s response was kosher given the location of the pitch, by retaliating again, and again head-hunting while doing it. Complete bush league BS.
And cgmonk, it is hard to square that you are enough of a baseball fan to have found this site, but not enough to know that there is a place in baseball for plunking a batter. Just do it right. You had to have been kidding.
Kudos to the Jays, though, for continuing to battle at least.
Wish the M’s would’ve done a little more of that about a month ago.
As far as I can tell, cessos comes from the latin root cesso ‘to stop.’ So maybe that Campillo couldn’t follow-through, i.e. was a chicken?
King Awsome!
61 – Totally agree.
As for cessos, I think it’s from the same root as cesspool, so you can substitute your own word in there.
Yea, AB, getting close.
Do we maybe get a stay of execution for tonight?
Greg Zaun just hit a solo HR in the top of the 14th for the Jays…
Now, Neihaus is talking about the damn rally monkey…AAAHHHH! >:O
cessos – most likely balls.
Dang, I can’t believe google is failing on “cessos”.
I’m starting to think it’s a typo.
It’s apparently Italian slang for toilet.
But I don’t see how “He doesn’t have toilets.” makes any sense.
How about Thompson’s Gameday picture!
Guess Scoscia thought that spotting us five runs was enough to mask the fix, so that he can go ahead and rub our nose in a pile of poo tomorrow by clinching on national TV.
Jose Vidro is no J.T. Snow.
Another brilliant Gold Glove moment by Turbo…
Given that it’s Halo’s Heaven, a typo is not beyond the realm of possibilities.
Jays have a 1 run lead, one out in the bottom of the 14th. C’mon. Maybe I can catch 2+ innings of the M’s.
73: Hell, he’s not even a Bone or Edgar at 1B!
70 – That’s exactly the sequence I went through before I posted.
I would much rather listen to Neihaus than to the sound effect stylings
of Hudler. “Ka ching” “Come on dudes a couple bloops and a blast”
“Big Daddy Vlad-y”
Ugh.
Aren’cha just looking SOOOOO forward to hearing ole’ Rex tomorrow as the “special guest” play-by-play “dude” for Fox Saturday Baseball?
YECCH!
sounds like???
I gather it was pretty open in the clubhouse that no one was happy with Campillo. I’d bet that as he is not a ‘real’ or a future Mariner they wouldn’t treat it as Washington did with Padilla, though
72 – that, and he wanted to wait until McLaren was back.
79 — Guess I won’t be watching that. Rex is insufferable.
“Sweet! Gettin some dirt on his belly!”
I dunno, it seems it would be more fitting somehow for the Angels to clinch against Jeff Weaver on sunday, with Lackey on the mound, possible striking out Guillen at the end of a CGSO.
Go Guillen!
83: Good point…since facing Lackey is about as much fun as a friggin’ root canal.
My guess: cessos is probably supposed to be sesos, or brains. The Spanish pronunciation would be the same.
Hey! it was Judy & her sister in the outfield! did they have rally fry signs? have they been shown before?
80 — LMAO — That certainly explains Rexy.
I’ve never heard someone that irritating and
unprofessional calling an MLB game.
Just toke up and go back to the surf shack, Rexy.
Please. . . .
86. You’re right, defcon. Somebody posted a correction on that Halo site.
Neihaus just mentioned the fact that they have a fireworks show after every Friday night home game in Anaheim.
Guess they had to figure out some way to keep their “loyal” fans from bailing in the seventh inning every game.
Judy & Joan are great– they’ve gone to fantasy camp the last few years, and have the bright yellow sign up in the 300 yellow, indicating where “the old bats” sit. glad to see someone traveled to the away game
80/88: Hmmm…thought he was supposed to be Mr. Straight-Edge-Clean-And-Sober — too funny!
86 and 89 – Thanks. Now I can sleep tonight.
88: Then again, he sounds SOOOO flippin’ hyper in that booth sometimes, maybe he feels he needs to do it to relax. :O
#92– well, maybe he is now—
True…
The team looks better without JMac.
How about tomorrow night we go with the “hot hand”, the
“good luck charm” of the bench coach managing again?!
I think the Angels are saving themselves for tomorrow.
Ha-ha-ha-ha…Stayin’ Alive…Stayin’ Alive…
Did anyone see that Bons is done in SF? Who should go after him as a DH? He’s clearly done in the field, but his numbers are still impressive this year offensively. I’m not saying the M’s should go after him – I don’t think they should, we’re too stacked in the DH/shitty outfielder department, but I bet he helps someone in the AL in ‘08, much as I’m not a fan.
86 – Well done, sir or madam.
If anyone suggests Bonds going to the M’s, I will hang my head in disgust.
As for who might end up with him, Oakland would be attractive in terms of locality (but not in dollars). The Angels are another possibility, being near home and a team with good shot at a WS ring. Hmmm… as for anyone else, I don’t know. Would the Yanks be crazy enough to give him a try?
Take that you awful awful announcers! My wish came true. See, the Mariners do care.
Jerry Crasnick tonight:
“Where could Bonds wind up? Maybe Texas, Detroit or Oakland can find a way to make things work. If [Bonds' agent Jeff] Borris is a magician, maybe he gets the Yankees or another big-market club to bite. But all those teams had their shot at Bonds last year and gladly passed.
Borris declined to speculate on whether Bonds might be willing to take a cut from his $15.8 million base salary in 2008. “I don’t think it would be appropriate for me to comment on money,” he said. But the agent discounted the prospect of 3,000 hits as a motivating factor, even though Bonds is a mere 65 hits short.
“Barry’s had only one goal since his first day in the big leagues, and that’s to win a World Series,” Borris said. “Anybody who knows him knows that he’s all about winning and being a good teammate. That’s it.” “
Drayer said that when the press all trooped down to the manager’s office, they weren’t sure if they’d see Goff or McLaren behind the desk in there– and when they went in, it was Boone.
102, 104, the Angels seem like a great fit for Bonds. He can fill in at DH, he won’t be intentionally walked over and over, he gets a shot at Series. I’m sure Beene would also like him and the A’s need to fill holes in their offense, but I don’t know if they want to pay for him. Having him play for the Yankees would make for the best theater (and get a shot at the Ring), if they can fit him in at DH.
I bet the A’s or Rangers land Bonds, and if the A’s sign him, he hits 35 home runs and drives in 100 and Beane is a genius, and if the Rangers sign him, he hits 17, gets injured, and is a bust.
I bet the A’s or Rangers land Bonds, and if the A’s sign him, he hits 35 home runs and drives in 100 and Beane is a genius, and if the Rangers sign him, he hits 17, gets injured, and is a bust.
Drayer said that when the press all trooped down to the manager’s office, they weren’t sure if they’d see Goff or McLaren behind the desk in there– and when they went in, it was Boone.
Bret, Aaron or Bob? I assume it wasn’t Ray or Daniel, or Boone Carlyle?
I’m betting it was billionaire oil man T. Boone Pickens.
I’m still sticking to my guns and saying the Angies wind up with Bonds…it seems like he’d fit right in with them.
I don’t care.
To be honest, I really don’t care all that much, either.
Some idiotic bean counters from Fox who are always on the lookout for “maximized television ratings” ™, however, seem to care a whole lot where Bonds winds up next year…which is why it was brought up on here, I suppose.
I’d love to see Bonds here. Sure he cheated, but he didn’t start it. What’s a player to think when McGuire and Sosa are having their huge roids love fest, the commissioner flying in, all the coverage on all the networks. The people inside baseball all knew what was happening then. The League and the Union repeatedly refused to even make a rule against steroids let alone test for them. So what is a player supposed to think? Obviously Bonds thought that the message was that it was the HR’s that mattered, not the chemicals. Bonds was already a consensus HOF before he started the roids, yeah it should stain his carreer but it shouldn’t obscure his real accomplishments.
113: No argument here — and I think wherever he lands (except maybe PNC in Pittsburgh or Dodger Stadium), he winds up being a marquee draw.
Though I’m not bending over backwards to defend the guy, I think it’s pretty much common knowledge that if he were as media-friendly as McGwire or Sosa, you wouldn’t be hearing nearly the amount of trash-talk about Bonds as you do.
103: Hmmm…I wonder if maybe FSN SoCal/Prime Ticket/Whatever-They’re-Calling-Themselves-These-Days might think about bringing over Marty McSorley from the LA Kings (and occasionally, Anaheim Ducks) broadcast team to do some games for the Angies next year. Sure, he’s never done baseball before, but I bet he wouldn’t be any worse than that bonehead Hudler is.
Hey, everyone? The M’s will finish over .500 for the first time since 2003.
Yeah, the last month has been a historic disaster, but they did finally make it to 82.
And at the start of the year, I predicted 82 wins. So they exceeded my expectations. Even if they raised my hopes then brutally killed them.
Oh, and ESPN mentioned that the M’s were one of the teams who had “shown an interest” in signing Bonds.
I threw up in my mouth a little when I heard that.
IIRC, Bonds mentioned Seattle, not the other way around….
Bingo! you know what a wag he is.
why? he wasn’t drawing fans to the see the Giants until it was the last part of the HR chase. Do you think getting to 3000 hits is as glamorous a stat?
FWIW, Drayer opined that the Angels wouldn’t be in the running, that Moreno is as image-conscious as the Mariners, and seeing how furious he was when he had to stand there at the Matthews’ HGH press conference this spring really makes her doubt his interest in Bonds
* not drawing fans to see the Giants on the road, of course, until the chase got close and folks came out to boo
sessos, or cessos is brains. Campillo apparently doesn’t have any. But then again, McLaren doesn’t seem too either.
It is raining like crazy down here… I’m skeptical about any game being played today.
Considering how much weather has played a factor in the M’s season, it seems fitting that they get rained out today, have to play a double header tomorrow, with the Angels clinching in the first game, then the M’s have to go out after the celebration. Sigh.
112:
“Some idiotic bean counters from Fox who are always on the lookout for maximized television ratings, however, seem to care a whole lot where Bonds winds up next year…which is why it was brought up on here, I suppose.”
Actually, I brought it up here because I saw it on the NYTimes.com sports page last night while I was watching the game thread and just wondered what people were thinking (I’m not even a big Bonds fan, it was just a casual comment). Consider me an idiotic fan, but at least I’m not a sanctimonious blowhard.
124:
1) For one thing, the news on Bonds was already mentioned earlier in the thread (starting at #39), and we’d been commenting on it after that.
2) I was responding in part to the post directly above that one, and didn’t intend it as any kind of a personal attack. Rather, I was expressing my displeasure at Fox and their obvious bias toward large market teams such as the Yanks, Red Sox and Angels.
Fair enough, Scott. I’m no Fox fan, either, and I just took umbrage at being lumped in with them.