Comments on: Rotation Building http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: DMZ http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/comment-page-3/#comment-238196 DMZ Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:44:25 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/#comment-238196 Nooooooooo, hijacking threads is bad Nooooooooo, hijacking threads is bad

]]> By: shupurrs http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/comment-page-3/#comment-238195 shupurrs Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:05:53 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/#comment-238195 Re: 138, and deleted 135: Um, not that I'm bitter or anything, but... trading Blackley for Ellison ended up being a mistake. I'm under the impression this site disagrees with the statement judging by the deleted material in post 135? Re: 138, and deleted 135:

Um, not that I’m bitter or anything, but… trading Blackley for Ellison ended up being a mistake. I’m under the impression this site disagrees with the statement judging by the deleted material in post 135?

]]> By: mln http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/comment-page-3/#comment-238106 mln Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:57:43 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/#comment-238106 I still think that the Mariners should look to grant Willie's burning ambition to pitch. He could be a great back of the rotation filler! I still think that the Mariners should look to grant Willie’s burning ambition to pitch. He could be a great back of the rotation filler!

]]> By: Wishhiker http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/comment-page-3/#comment-238105 Wishhiker Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:06:46 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/#comment-238105 138...Totally! 138…Totally!

]]> By: DC_Mariner http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/comment-page-3/#comment-238104 DC_Mariner Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:04:30 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/#comment-238104 135 The whole Blackley-has-potential-to-be-a-good-SP ship sailed a long time ago. 135

The whole Blackley-has-potential-to-be-a-good-SP ship sailed a long time ago.

]]> By: Wishhiker http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/comment-page-3/#comment-238103 Wishhiker Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:12:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/#comment-238103 I wasn't supposed to forget to put that last Japanese Pitchers name in alltogether: Kenshin Kawakami! I really wish the list was longer... I wasn’t supposed to forget to put that last Japanese Pitchers name in alltogether:

Kenshin Kawakami!

I really wish the list was longer…

]]> By: Wishhiker http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/comment-page-3/#comment-238102 Wishhiker Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:07:04 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/#comment-238102 I understand that the FA Pitching doesn't look very good, at any price, the M's need 2 more starting pitchers... I like the idea of getting Sonnanstine and/or Howell, but not sure who we're talking about needing to let go of to get them. I don't like the idea of trading Morrow at all, for any reason right now. He may not be ready next year, but he's still got 6 years, right? I would absolutely love to see Santana here next year, but somethings telling me to get real. I don't think I'd like to even hear the names the Twins started their asking price at... This brings me to someone who might have been undervalued as a FA Starting Pitcher coming out of Japan. Unfortunately a guy I'd been watching, Koji Uehara, Started his year injured and wasn't active for a full month. That month might have pushed his Free Agency back a year (not 100% sure on those rules.) He returned from injury about May 1st and has spent the rest of the year as a closer (which is why he might have been a steal.) As long as his market doesn't get too out of hand, I was thinking. If he signs for 4th starter/Closer money he could be a steal. Even if you couldn't stretch him out as a starter he'd be valuable. I'd rather see him starting, but that's the chance you'd be taking (and even that he doesn't look so hot.) He pitched 54 Complete games in 195 Games before becoming the Closer. I can't find 2007 Stats, but through 2006 he has 186 BB in 1397 Innings (1.19 BB/9). He has a career 1.00 WHIP. Some people think the team made him Closer to get back at him for asking to be posted since 2004/leaving now and lower his value in the MLB Market going into FA. But then I'm not sure if he's a FA or not. There's a blog out there for almost every team that's been talking about him some and they all seem to think he is, but from what I've read he's stuck another year. Most of the sources who list interested teams list the Angels (who offered him a contract in 1998 and probably had the 2nd/3rd highest bid for Dice-K) Yankees, Dodgers Red-Sox and Mets... Anyway, this instead brings me to a Japanese Pitcher who I'm pretty sure is eligible for FA. He had what seems to be a superficially down year, but I can't find detailed stats on him. Career (2007) 7.68 K/9(7.88), 2.06 BB/9(1.20) look good this year, but 9.14 H/9 (9.67) 3.30 ERA (3.60) He's got a very weird pattern developing in W/L 04: 17-7 05: 11-8 06: 17-7 07: 11-8 This speaks well for 08 though, right? I'm joking!!! uh...What about Jason Jennings on an incentive Laden deal...Oh yeah, some idiot will offer him a Laden Deal and forget the incentives. I understand that the FA Pitching doesn’t look very good, at any price, the M’s need 2 more starting pitchers…

I like the idea of getting Sonnanstine and/or Howell, but not sure who we’re talking about needing to let go of to get them.

I don’t like the idea of trading Morrow at all, for any reason right now. He may not be ready next year, but he’s still got 6 years, right?

I would absolutely love to see Santana here next year, but somethings telling me to get real. I don’t think I’d like to even hear the names the Twins started their asking price at…

This brings me to someone who might have been undervalued as a FA Starting Pitcher coming out of Japan. Unfortunately a guy I’d been watching, Koji Uehara, Started his year injured and wasn’t active for a full month. That month might have pushed his Free Agency back a year (not 100% sure on those rules.) He returned from injury about May 1st and has spent the rest of the year as a closer (which is why he might have been a steal.) As long as his market doesn’t get too out of hand, I was thinking. If he signs for 4th starter/Closer money he could be a steal. Even if you couldn’t stretch him out as a starter he’d be valuable. I’d rather see him starting, but that’s the chance you’d be taking (and even that he doesn’t look so hot.) He pitched 54 Complete games in 195 Games before becoming the Closer. I can’t find 2007 Stats, but through 2006 he has 186 BB in 1397 Innings (1.19 BB/9). He has a career 1.00 WHIP. Some people think the team made him Closer to get back at him for asking to be posted since 2004/leaving now and lower his value in the MLB Market going into FA. But then I’m not sure if he’s a FA or not. There’s a blog out there for almost every team that’s been talking about him some and they all seem to think he is, but from what I’ve read he’s stuck another year.

Most of the sources who list interested teams list the Angels (who offered him a contract in 1998 and probably had the 2nd/3rd highest bid for Dice-K) Yankees, Dodgers Red-Sox and Mets…

Anyway, this instead brings me to a Japanese Pitcher who I’m pretty sure is eligible for FA. He had what seems to be a superficially down year, but I can’t find detailed stats on him. Career (2007) 7.68 K/9(7.88), 2.06 BB/9(1.20) look good this year, but 9.14 H/9 (9.67) 3.30 ERA (3.60)

He’s got a very weird pattern developing in W/L

04: 17-7
05: 11-8
06: 17-7
07: 11-8

This speaks well for 08 though, right? I’m joking!!!

uh…What about Jason Jennings on an incentive Laden deal…Oh yeah, some idiot will offer him a Laden Deal and forget the incentives.

]]> By: shupurrs http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/comment-page-3/#comment-238101 shupurrs Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:59:40 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/#comment-238101 Not to change course or anything, but [deleted, changed course] Not to change course or anything, but [deleted, changed course]

]]> By: Joe http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/comment-page-3/#comment-237996 Joe Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:54:29 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/#comment-237996 Bearman, if you've been paying attention this season you'd have seen several <a href="http://ussmariner.com/2007/06/20/letting-ichiro-leave-for-nothing/" rel="nofollow">posts</a> that make a good case for letting top talent walk in their FA year because the compensation draft picks are often at least as good as anything you could get in a trade. Santana, being arguably the best pitcher in the game, is probably an exception (the exponential curve on talent makes anybody at the far end of the curve disproportionately valuable) but in general you can get a lot of value from allowing a free agent to walk. With the current M's front office, that's even more true because their drafting track record has been very good and their trading record... not so much. (In the past, the reverse might have been the case). Bearman, if you’ve been paying attention this season you’d have seen several posts that make a good case for letting top talent walk in their FA year because the compensation draft picks are often at least as good as anything you could get in a trade. Santana, being arguably the best pitcher in the game, is probably an exception (the exponential curve on talent makes anybody at the far end of the curve disproportionately valuable) but in general you can get a lot of value from allowing a free agent to walk. With the current M’s front office, that’s even more true because their drafting track record has been very good and their trading record… not so much. (In the past, the reverse might have been the case).

]]> By: scott19 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/comment-page-3/#comment-237985 scott19 Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:38:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/09/21/rotation-building/#comment-237985 132: I agree on Santana -- who, sad to say, I totally expect to see on the mound in pinstripes come Opening Day '09 at the (new) Yankee Stadium. 132: I agree on Santana — who, sad to say, I totally expect to see on the mound in pinstripes come Opening Day ‘09 at the (new) Yankee Stadium.

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