Comments on: These playoffs suck http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jurgen http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/comment-page-5/#comment-240485 Jurgen Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:49:49 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/#comment-240485 200: Oh, don't get me wrong. It's not like the Nationals couldn't use Sizemore now! But ultimately you're right. Loria's the one who deserves responsibility for the 'pos demise. 200: Oh, don’t get me wrong. It’s not like the Nationals couldn’t use Sizemore now! But ultimately you’re right. Loria’s the one who deserves responsibility for the ‘pos demise.

]]> By: scott19 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/comment-page-5/#comment-240478 scott19 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:30:09 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/#comment-240478 199: Wasn't certain who hired who or when...it seemed like that whole mess was so tenuous back then. Thanks for the clarification. 199: Wasn’t certain who hired who or when…it seemed like that whole mess was so tenuous back then.

Thanks for the clarification.

]]> By: scott19 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/comment-page-5/#comment-240476 scott19 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:26:49 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/#comment-240476 198: North - You may be right about Minaya being hired by Selig to run the Expos while the team was in receivership. I don't remember off-hand what year Loria officially let go of the team, but I know he was responsible for most of that mess in the first place. I also remember how that situation ended up favoring the Mets. That issue of credibility might be one reason why some owners have had doubts about hiring Minaya when he's been available for various GM jobs that have opened up. As for Loria, the fact that he's allowed to continue to run teams into the ground (and, in effect, scam season-ticket holders out of their money by doing so) is a perfect example of just how much work MLB still needs to do to clean up their act. It may be ancient history, but Shoeless Joe Jackson continues to banned from the HOF to this day for something far less egregious than what Loria has done. 198: North – You may be right about Minaya being hired by Selig to run the Expos while the team was in receivership. I don’t remember off-hand what year Loria officially let go of the team, but I know he was responsible for most of that mess in the first place.

I also remember how that situation ended up favoring the Mets. That issue of credibility might be one reason why some owners have had doubts about hiring Minaya when he’s been available for various GM jobs that have opened up.

As for Loria, the fact that he’s allowed to continue to run teams into the ground (and, in effect, scam season-ticket holders out of their money by doing so) is a perfect example of just how much work MLB still needs to do to clean up their act. It may be ancient history, but Shoeless Joe Jackson continues to banned from the HOF to this day for something far less egregious than what Loria has done.

]]> By: Jurgen http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/comment-page-4/#comment-240469 Jurgen Fri, 05 Oct 2007 23:06:10 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/#comment-240469 198: Yup, Minaya was working for MLB. There was a real chance that the Expos would just be euthanized after the season. There was no ownership, and no definitive plan to move the club. Why protect the future when the future itself was in doubt? 198: Yup, Minaya was working for MLB.

There was a real chance that the Expos would just be euthanized after the season. There was no ownership, and no definitive plan to move the club. Why protect the future when the future itself was in doubt?

]]> By: north http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/comment-page-4/#comment-240425 north Fri, 05 Oct 2007 19:45:42 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/#comment-240425 191 and 197 The Montreal situation was abysmal. However, that trade would not have been made by any self-respecting GM. I don't think Loria was running the franchise at the time of that trade. I think Minaya was hired by MLB. (Of course, the trade was very favorable to the Mets - his real employer.) 191 and 197

The Montreal situation was abysmal. However, that trade would not have been made by any self-respecting GM.

I don’t think Loria was running the franchise at the time of that trade. I think Minaya was hired by MLB. (Of course, the trade was very favorable to the Mets – his real employer.)

]]> By: Jurgen http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/comment-page-4/#comment-240400 Jurgen Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:30:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/#comment-240400 190-191: The deal was Sizemore, Phillips, and Cliff Lee for Colon (and if memory serves, Sizemore was easily considered the lesser part of the package... it was a former Expos scout, then with Cleveland, who pushed for Grady). In fairness, the future of the Expos was seriously in doubt, and Montreal had a shot of making the playoffs that year. Kudos to Shapiro, obviously, but that aint your usual fleecing. 190-191: The deal was Sizemore, Phillips, and Cliff Lee for Colon (and if memory serves, Sizemore was easily considered the lesser part of the package… it was a former Expos scout, then with Cleveland, who pushed for Grady).

In fairness, the future of the Expos was seriously in doubt, and Montreal had a shot of making the playoffs that year. Kudos to Shapiro, obviously, but that aint your usual fleecing.

]]> By: scott19 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/comment-page-4/#comment-240399 scott19 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:38:48 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/#comment-240399 194: John -- not flaming you at all with #195...merely spouting my discontent with the "Damn Yankees" and their boring and overblown "dynasty," so to speak. 194: John — not flaming you at all with #195…merely spouting my discontent with the “Damn Yankees” and their boring and overblown “dynasty,” so to speak.

]]> By: scott19 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/comment-page-4/#comment-240398 scott19 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:33:47 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/#comment-240398 Actually, I heard somewhere on the radio (I'm guessing during one of the playoff games) that this "current Yankee dynasty may be nearing the end" -- what with Torre supposedly retiring after this year, Cashman's future up in the air, A-Rod maybe opting out of his contract, Clemens not getting any younger, etc, etc. So, I guess I can pay tribute where it's due. You've had a nice run, New York. Since 1995, you've won six pennants (three outright, three questionably), four World Series, made the playoffs every year, consistently spent enough cash to bankroll an entire five-team division, and managed to not only to start your own TV network, but also to hog up at least half of the remaining network airtime when it comes to nationally-televised games. So, being a fan of one those teams which your oh-so-classy fans consider "minor league", I guess I shouldn't be bitter. But if you're done with your latest stinking "dynasty", kindly get the hell out of the way for a while and let some other teams prove themselves. Actually, I heard somewhere on the radio (I’m guessing during one of the playoff games) that this “current Yankee dynasty may be nearing the end” — what with Torre supposedly retiring after this year, Cashman’s future up in the air, A-Rod maybe opting out of his contract, Clemens not getting any younger, etc, etc.

So, I guess I can pay tribute where it’s due. You’ve had a nice run, New York. Since 1995, you’ve won six pennants (three outright, three questionably), four World Series, made the playoffs every year, consistently spent enough cash to bankroll an entire five-team division, and managed to not only to start your own TV network, but also to hog up at least half of the remaining network airtime when it comes to nationally-televised games. So, being a fan of one those teams which your oh-so-classy fans consider “minor league”, I guess I shouldn’t be bitter.

But if you’re done with your latest stinking “dynasty”, kindly get the hell out of the way for a while and let some other teams prove themselves.

]]> By: John in L.A. http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/comment-page-4/#comment-240397 John in L.A. Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:20:08 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/#comment-240397 193 - Fair enough, scott. I don't mean to be that guy. For the record, I wasn't being that guy about the crudeness, I just have a bad reaction to insult-nicknames. They make me twitch, any of them - A-Fraud, Bustre, whatever. But none of my business, really. So, ignore me. 193 – Fair enough, scott. I don’t mean to be that guy. For the record, I wasn’t being that guy about the crudeness, I just have a bad reaction to insult-nicknames. They make me twitch, any of them – A-Fraud, Bustre, whatever. But none of my business, really. So, ignore me.

]]> By: scott19 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/comment-page-4/#comment-240396 scott19 Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:00:59 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/02/these-playoffs-suck/#comment-240396 Guess I probably could be a little less crude, if I didn't loathe "Teh Best Team Money Can Buy" so much. Guess I probably could be a little less crude, if I didn’t loathe “Teh Best Team Money Can Buy” so much.

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