Comments on: Stupidity Never Goes Out Of Style http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:54:24 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: galaxieboi http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/comment-page-2/#comment-241364 galaxieboi Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:33:13 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/#comment-241364 The way the NL Central has been playing the last several years I'm not sure any of them 'deserve' anything. The way the NL Central has been playing the last several years I’m not sure any of them ‘deserve’ anything.

]]> By: joser http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/comment-page-2/#comment-241344 joser Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:17:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/#comment-241344 Who cares, this generation got their ring. There's several other teams just in the NL Central who deserve their turns. Who cares, this generation got their ring. There’s several other teams just in the NL Central who deserve their turns.

]]> By: JI http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/comment-page-2/#comment-241338 JI Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:46:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/#comment-241338 How many decades before St. Louis is competitive again? How many decades before St. Louis is competitive again?

]]> By: Matthew Carruth http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/comment-page-2/#comment-241331 Matthew Carruth Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:26:21 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/#comment-241331 So I went into my 07 DB and pulled out Pineiro's pitches and sepreated them before and after the trade. I think we've pretty well established that Pineiro's nice ERA in StL is the result of 2 things: 1. LOB% of 79.6%. 2. Cut his walk rate in half, down to 1.22% of BF. Is anyone going to argue that point 1 is anything but a total fluke? His career norm is under 70% and it's very close to a non-repeatable skill (you have to regress it like 90% and the other 10% basically comes from a pitcher's K rate, which for Joel, sucks). So really, the theory that Joel Pineiro made <i>*any*</i> sort of improvement in St. Louis rests on his reduced walk rate right? *Pitches called a ball* Joel Pineiro in Boston: 35.04% Joel Pineiro in St.Louis: 35.87% Guess what that likely means for his walk rate going forward? So I went into my 07 DB and pulled out Pineiro’s pitches and sepreated them before and after the trade.

I think we’ve pretty well established that Pineiro’s nice ERA in StL is the result of 2 things:
1. LOB% of 79.6%.
2. Cut his walk rate in half, down to 1.22% of BF.

Is anyone going to argue that point 1 is anything but a total fluke? His career norm is under 70% and it’s very close to a non-repeatable skill (you have to regress it like 90% and the other 10% basically comes from a pitcher’s K rate, which for Joel, sucks).

So really, the theory that Joel Pineiro made *any* sort of improvement in St. Louis rests on his reduced walk rate right?

*Pitches called a ball*
Joel Pineiro in Boston: 35.04%
Joel Pineiro in St.Louis: 35.87%

Guess what that likely means for his walk rate going forward?

]]> By: terry http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-241326 terry Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:15:19 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/#comment-241326 <blockquote>47, no, because I can just remind myself that he’s putting up a .200/.250/.320 line in the postseason so far.</blockquote> Not anymore, he's not...

47,

no, because I can just remind myself that he’s putting up a .200/.250/.320 line in the postseason so far.

Not anymore, he’s not…

]]> By: Carson http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-241318 Carson Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:15:36 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/#comment-241318 Dave, I thought the "scrap pile" thing sounded like something that had been covered. See: http://ussmariner.com/guillens-extension-no-thanks/ I'm thinking more like Derek on that one. I just don't think we can expect Guillen's performance this year to be repeated for three more years. If he stays healthy? Maybe. That is my biggest concern, not the whole "clubhouse cancer" stuff others worry about with him. He's a better fot than Wlad (should he even stick around..) next year, but after that? I'm not sold. Dave, I thought the “scrap pile” thing sounded like something that had been covered. See: http://ussmariner.com/guillens-extension-no-thanks/

I’m thinking more like Derek on that one. I just don’t think we can expect Guillen’s performance this year to be repeated for three more years. If he stays healthy? Maybe. That is my biggest concern, not the whole “clubhouse cancer” stuff others worry about with him. He’s a better fot than Wlad (should he even stick around..) next year, but after that? I’m not sold.

]]> By: Matthew Carruth http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-241315 Matthew Carruth Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:29:56 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/#comment-241315 47, no, because I can just remind myself that he's putting up a .200/.250/.320 line in the postseason so far. 47,

no, because I can just remind myself that he’s putting up a .200/.250/.320 line in the postseason so far.

]]> By: Pete http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-241314 Pete Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:23:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/#comment-241314 Speaking of stupidity... isn't it hard to watch Asdrubal Cabrera fly around at second base in the ALCS? Speaking of stupidity… isn’t it hard to watch Asdrubal Cabrera fly around at second base in the ALCS?

]]> By: Mike Snow http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-241313 Mike Snow Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:45:15 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/#comment-241313 I thought Carpenter was supposed to be the favorite comparison for supporters of Gil Meche, not Pineiro. I thought Carpenter was supposed to be the favorite comparison for supporters of Gil Meche, not Pineiro.

]]> By: stevie_j13 http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/15/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-241312 stevie_j13 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 01:40:43 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/stupidity-never-goes-out-of-style/#comment-241312 Pineiro isn't getting paid for 2001-2003, but for the back-end of 2007. If he had gotten hurt at the end of 2003, and made nothing afterwards, then that would have been terrible, too. The only reason he's making money is because he is still healthy and is now a veteran who didn't implode when given a third opportunity. Pineiro isn’t getting paid for 2001-2003, but for the back-end of 2007. If he had gotten hurt at the end of 2003, and made nothing afterwards, then that would have been terrible, too. The only reason he’s making money is because he is still healthy and is now a veteran who didn’t implode when given a third opportunity.

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