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Doyle Finds Another New Home
Dave · October 25, 2007 at 1:44 pm · Filed Under Mariners
Well, if you thought I was overly pleased with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays front office before, you ain’t seen nothing yet - they claimed Doyle on waivers from the A’s.
Go Doyle Go.
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Anybody realize this is now Doyle’s 4th organization in 2 years?
I’m sure Doyle does.
This is a good fit for the Devil Rays. They have a number of talented but injury-prone outfielders. Another one gives them more stop-gap flexibility.
It just seems suspect though that the Oakland A’s who are so incredibly good at identifying undervalued (and overvalued) talent would give up Doyle like this.
I just hope Doyle doesn’t get his career destroyed by playing on that fake grass down in Tampa.
I think Doyle’s more likely problem is that Tampa Bay already has some pretty talented outfielders ahead of him on the depth chart in Tampa.
I’m pretty happy about this because Joe Maddon is my friend’s uncle… haha. Might be able to snag an autograph or something!
Maybe we can ask for him as a throw-in when we try to trade for one of Tampa Bay’s starters?
I support this idea 100%.
Bring Back Doyle.
You mean apart from everybody?
Astroturf + bad knees?
Uh-ohs.
#9: I’m sure there are a few new readers out there since Doyle left. . .
#10: Yup.
From waivers to the DL…..
Does this mean we can see Doyle actually play against us next year?
So, is Doyle going to become the next Carlos Pena?
Or …
The next Griffey? Post 2000-2006, that is?
I think — in terms of total travel time via flight connections — Doyle is now in the MLB city that’s as far from Australia as he could possibly be. At least the weather is closer.
I’m sure he’ll find Durham, N.C. to his liking. I know Dave will like having him nearby.
Actually, I did a story on that turf for my paper. It’s not your father’s Astroturf, it’s a lot better. It gives way and is softer. It or something similar is installed at Husky Stadium and sometimes it’s difficult to tell its not grass.
Doyle is the player’s middle name, which is an attempt on our part to hide him from the injury gods.
Has anyone ever really proven a link between Astroturf and knee injuries? The players say so, but players are dumber than rocks. And that field turf is something else again. Go Doyle. Hit 30 home runs next year. Hit five of them against the Mariners.
Anyone who ever saw Seattle Seahawks running back Curt Warner’s knee keep going to the right while his leg remained in place would vouch for its impact on athletes’ knees.
Andre Dawson says hello.
Plenty of guys with bad knees didn’t play their careers on astroturf, too.
But whether or not it caused more injuries, players hated playing on it. That’s good enough for me.
19-Have you ever stepped on Astroturf? It’s not quite as bad as concrete, but it bears no resemblance to grass or track surfaces. I spent about an hour on it and there’s no doubt in mind about the effect it has on legs.
#16– didn’t he live in Miami until he was about 8?
Spent many an hour standing on the sidelines of Sparks Stadium (Puyallup). Old style Astroturf. I have no orthopedic problems but oh did the back start aching 1 1/2 hours into a game.
I don’t think Beane gave up on Doyle… he was just trying to sneak him through waivers and keep him in AAA for a while.
Good pickup for the Rays, who have been using the likes of Greg Norton in their lineup from time to time.
Actually, Tropican Field does not have AstroTurf. It has something called FieldTurf (www.fieldturf.com).
This is nothing like your father’s artificial turf - it’s made up of tons of grass-shaped plastic fibers, bedded in sand and ground up rubber pellets.
I’ve played many many soccer games on it - it’s very popular in Seattle due to its durability and forgiveness when wet. (Think about players taking divots when they run in a wet outfield.) FieldTurf is a fantastic surface - truer than grass, in many ways, and softer. I can run faster, and much more comfortably, on this than I do on grass.
I’ve played on AstroTurf for about 20 indoor games, and man it takes a toll on your legs. I’ve got good legs, and I was always gimpy after an indoor season. FieldTurf, however, is awesome.
Go, Doyle!
And, no, I’m not a schill for FieldTurf. I actually tried to get it installed in my backyard (way better than grass for kids and dogs!) - the bid came in at a cool $35k. Better luck next year, kid.
(OTOH - if there is a FeildTurf/DreamTurf rep reading this - I’d be happy to schill for a little discount…)
I agree with westfried–the difference between the old turf and new turf is substantial. I’ve been on the old artifical turf at the Metrodome, and my otherwise healthy knees/back hurt just walking around on it after a couple of hours. I’ve played a fair amount of soccer on FieldTurf with no problems whatsoever. Not as good as grass, but much, much better than the old turf.
Interesting. I knew the turf had been substantially improved, but never talked to anyone who’d been on it.
This is actually Doyle’s 4th organization in one year. Last October he was with the Mariners, today he’s with the Rays and has been with the Nationals and A’s in between.
Glad someone else is giving him a look. OTOH sad to see the A’s decided to part ways with him.
Adam S wrote: “Glad someone else is giving him a look. OTOH sad to see the A’s decided to part ways with him.”
I’m sure the A’s aren’t sad to see their insurance premiums finally levelling off.
/I kid, I kid… I’m happy to see him out of the division, and in one where he can now hurt the Yanks far more than the M’s.
#28: Isn’t that a little bit too much Brady Bunch-esque?
33 - On the Brady Bunch, westfried would come home tomorrow and find Edgar standing on the newly installed turf. There’s no life better than an old TV sitcom’s.
Actually, on the Brady Bunch, we never would have traded for HoRam, and Adam Jones would have come through and saved the season for us, taking the Mariners triumphantly to the World Series.
I played lots of pickup games on the Federal Way Stadium astroturf. It was like playing in the living room. True hops, lots of spin, and very fast grounders. It was laid over concrete and was hot and very hard when you hit it. My knees still ache and when you dove for a ball it hurt. The rug burns were the worst. They would actually bleed. The new turf is “Field Turf.” It’s much better. Softer and more forgiving. My kids play soccer on it. Don’t Quest Field and husky stadium have Field Turf? If I had a choice I’d much rather have field turf than grass on a wet day.
Completely unrelated: I always appreciated Ron Fairly. When he offered insights I thought of his 1900+ hits. That means more to me than some of the other experts we listen to.
#35: hahaha, I get it.
My wife attended a professional group dinner last night. The guest speaker was none other than Chuck Armstrong. Some of the points she recalled him making:
- The Mariners have the best front office in MLB (no joke).
- The M’s new coaching staff will help because the old one didn’t have enough playoff experience
- Ownership will not put more money into the team. They are forced to be cash-flow positive each year
- He had some derisive words for the naysaying “bloggers” out there
- The reason the M’s don’t have many home-grown players? Lou. Seriously. He says that Lou wouldn’t play the young guys, so they didn’t produce any.
- (I saved the best for last) The Mariners would have had a stellar season last year if they could have pitched their top 3 pitchers every day.
I did lots of eye-rolling and rebutting some of his more asinine comments until she got sick of listening.
And that lasted for five years after he left?
Does he think we’re that stupid? Or is HE that stupid?
I’m convinced…Armstrong has GOT to go—first before Bavasi or any one else….
I think the reason everyone here is so frustrated is just that Chuck has completely different criteria for what constitutes success. I left out all of the old info about their target market of kids and women (including the quote about how the experience should be for a 7 year old at Safeco) and how character is so important when deciding who will play for the M’s (like Carl Everett? I asked the poor Mrs. Petec).
Through his lens - attendance, cash flow, keeping M’s players out of the police blotter section of the newspaper - perhaps they are wildly successful. But, if you’re spending $110M on salaries, why not succeed on the field as well as on your annual report to shareholder?
I’ve got to say, his shtick worked on my wife, until I set here straight! She was buying the Lou and 3 pitcher crap.
(I saved the best for last) The Mariners would have had a stellar season last year if they could have pitched their top 3 pitchers every day.
He forgot that the Mariners would have also won the West easily if they could have had Ichiro take every at-bat, with Adam Jones pinch-running for him when he got on base. Curse all of these infernal rules!
With Doyle’s knee injuries of the past I am just not a fan. Even if he stays healthy those past injuries will end his career when he is around 30.
Did Chuck Armstrong just say they M’s are only good at doing 60% of their job admitting they only have 3 good starters? That is what I got out of it.
Or Al Martin or….
Much of what he says is fine. Targetting women and kids is NOT a bad idea–but that’s off-the-field activity that’s pretty much skew to on-the-field stuff. And anyone with a few working brain cells knows that you can do what Armstrong wants off the field and STILL be successful on the field.
But what he’s saying is downright wrong AND stupid. Cleveland has had more success on AND off the field. Lou sure as hell didn’t affect a farm system that was so bad that very few of its products are starters on ANY team in the majors. The lack of playoff experience in coaches or player sure didn’t hurt the Rockies or D-backs—and McLarens playoff experience sure didn’t HELP the Mariners….
surely you are not expecting to hear anything approaching baseball reality out of Chuck’s mouth? After all these years?
Nah, but you’d expect that SOMEONE would get a clue and keep him from sticking his fat fingers into areas that are out of his competence area (i.e., all baseball operations….)
By “evidence” I was hoping for something more along the lines of a study, not a bunch of anecdotes. I know Astroturf is hard. I know players hate it. But does it really lead to more injuries? Proof, please.
I think Chuck Armstrong is an idiot. There, it’s mutual.
In fact, I think I’m going to start rooting against this team.
By “evidence” I was hoping for something more along the lines of a study, not a bunch of anecdotes. I know Astroturf is hard. I know players hate it. But does it really lead to more injuries? Proof, please.
As my mother used to say, if you don’t like the cooking, you’re free to cook for yourself.
Try here for starters.
yeah, old style astroturf does lead to more injuries. Plenty of studies have been done on it. It’s a 2-fold story. One, older Astroturf wasn’t laid on top of any padding. If you ever were at a home show at the Kingdome, you noticed that the turf was placed directly on top of the concrete. That lack of padding led to long term joint issues. Players are in fact, telling the truth when they say that playing in places like Montreal and Seattle took years off their careers. The 2nd issue with old astroturf was that it was very grabby. Unlike grass, where a foot can slide and twist, even when pinned, the turf / shoe bond was almost like glue. A planted foot did not slide around the toe axis, instead all that torque was transferred to the knee or ankle. Those joints are designed for rotational motion in the z axis. Hence, ligment injuries.
I currently play on lots of the new field turf, grass and occasionally some old style turf. Old turf is the worst (Redmond High, Keeney stadium) and should be removed at 1st chance. Field turf is much better, it’s installed over a base of crushed rock and sand (for drainage ) and the ground up tire also aids in cushioning. The longer fibers make it act more like grass for the first 5 years of it’s life. Some of the older field turf I play on (7+ years) has worn down to almost 1/2 it’s original fiber length. It’s great stuff for the NW because of the amount of rain we get here and the desire to need fields 365 days a year. It costs around $1 million bucks to convert a soccer field to field turf. Maintenance, while less than grass isn’t nothing. The crushed tire needs to be spread and gum & trash needs to be removed from the fields.
Grass is still the best surface to play on though. It’s naturally cushioned, the fibers slip when pivoting and it grows back. You need to let it sit for a few months a year to let it regenerate, even better is a rotation of fields. If you have a lot of land, grass is the best stuff. When you’re land constrained like most of the schools around here or if you need 365 day field access turf is the only solution.
I meant those joints AREN’T designed for rotation around the z axis….
#43: Let’s put it this way about what the experience of an M’s game should be like for a 7 year old.
I was 7 years old back in October 1995 when my dad took me to playoff games sitting in the upper deck in the Kingdome where there was 55,000 people strong, 1000 signs and banners, and so much rude behavior towards the New York Yankees it wasn’t even funny. Probably some things were yelled too that 7 year olds shouldn’t hear.
And yet, despite it all, quite honestly, that was the first time I fell in love with the game and this team.
Maybe Chuck Armstrong thinks 7 year olds are attracted to baseball by hugs from the Moose and a trip to the playfield in centerfield. WRONG!
Heck, most kids today think the pace of baseball is too slow compared to football and I’m betting there are so many kids around Seattle 7-9 years old that are growing up Seahawks fans right now than Mariners fans.
There is one reason why so many kids my age got attracted to baseball in the mid ’90’s even with the slow pace, long 12-10 games, and sorry state of the Kingdome when it wasn’t 55,000 strong. . .
All together now: We won games.
We were blessed here in the mid-90’s to follow some of the best players in baseball like Griffey, Randy, Bone, Edgar, etc.
And it’s a huge reason why many fans from that era still are interested in the game today.
Which is why I don’t understand the logic of keeping the worst GM in baseball (in terms of signing contracts) around because we are supposed to be as fans just blissfully happy with getting 88 wins with a $110 million payroll while also thinking that our GM is better than Mark Shapiro after Bavasi has made such moves as give Shapiro his 2nd baseman of the future for a Baseball Tonight Analyst.
It’s no wonder why so many young people here are turned off by the Mariners despite of what Chuck Armstrong believes about giving 7 year olds “a positive experience at the ballpark”. Because I will tell you right now, the only way kids will come back to the ballpark is if they come to the games just for. . .the games. And they learn to enjoy baseball for what it is instead of all the million things to do at the park to feed off of short year attention spans.
So I’m sorry, but if Chuck Armstrong still can’t get that concept of winning/attracting young kids who in the future will be ones that buy the tickets to the ballpark nailed down after all these years and he still honestly believes that a team that hasn’t been in the postseason for 6 years has the “best front office in baseball”, then how the hell does he deserve to have a job right now?
Sell the team (to anyone other than cowboys named Clay).
#5: Come back to the ballpark as adults I should say.
And AFA Doyle is concerned….I love the guy but those knee injuries robbed him of any and all power. The OBP is there but an OPS of .340 is positively Bloomquistian. I mentioned a few years ago that Doyle now just swings with his arms. He’s got almost no leg drive in his swing. He can whip the bat through the zone enough to slap singles but his gap power is totally gone. He’s just never going to have the sort of career we all wished he would.
I still blame it on the 3rd base coach who held him up but maybe the guy just fits the label “injury prone.”
Ugh I meant SLG of .340 not OPS….Man, I am having bad day at the keyboard……
FWIW, even if Chuck wasn’t the brainiac that we know he is, would you really expect that, when addressing “a professional group dinner” he would proved a critical analisis of his own team?
#55: He’s obviously critically analysed the team enough though to determine that in spite of trading players such as Ardursbal Cabrera, Rafael Soriano, and Carlos Guillen for garbage, he’s still good enough to keep his job.
Let’s just put it that way. . .
Chuck Armstrong is more of an idiot than I thought. The front office is the best in baseball — right — but only if you don’t count all the other 29 teams. Just like Horam was a fine pitcher if you don’t count all the games he played, etc
As for the derisive comments about the bloggers… whatever. If this team sucks again next year he’s going to think 2007 was a total freakin’ lovefest.
Chuck would serve the team well if the only marching orders he gave to his GM were, “Don’t blow up the budget and don’t hire any criminals.” and he stayed out of things beyond that. But there’s the problem: he meddles with the team construction, as if he has some sort of idea of who exactly can make the team better, and that just isn’t the case.
Hiring a GM who makes better baseball decisions with the team’s money and talent acquisition would certainly help, though.
As for Doyle, good for him, though at this point I have to wonder if he can realistically expect his knee to stay healthy for any extended period at this point, even as a part timer. If I were Doyle, I’d look into the MLB-legality of one of those bionic knee braces like the wrestler Stone Cold Steve Austin used to wear. It would slow him down, but given Doyle’s mentality and how it facilitates wear and tear, he probably does need to slow down in general.
you know, he didn’t say what the front office was best at. They might be best at Boggle, how do we know?
51: Great rant, Tom. It’s amazing how at Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium, they still manage to attract hordes of kids despite all the rowdiness that takes place in the stands during the games. Hmmm…wonder if it might have a little something to do with there being a quality product on the field which wins consistently?
As for your last point, I agree that Lincoln and Armstrong need to go. As I mentioned in a previous post, we may not always be smashing our heads against the wall in frustration if Mr. Yamauchi actually lived locally (or at least came to town on a regular basis), took in a game or two per year, and dropped by the front office every now and then just to see what’s going on. That kind of proactivity is the stuff that owners like Steinbrenner, Henry, Ted Turner, Mike Ilitch and others have been known to do — as opposed to the “ant farm by proxy” approach, with the front office running amok in their own stubborn stupidity.
Then again, on the other side of the coin, that “boss always being around” approach certainly hasn’t worked in Baltimore — where the GM pretty much has to call the overbearing Angelos every day around noon to let him know he’s going to lunch.
so, are all these 7-year-olds going to the games by themselves?
Exactly.
Of course, you don’t run your own people down in front of others—that’s kinda obvious. But it’s also obvious that you don’t have a freakin’ clue when it comes to baseball when you rag on people from five years back for stuff they couldn’t possibly have caused.
Hey, Chuck…you’re EARNING every single derisive comments you’re getting from bloggers. Stand tall and be proud of it….not every idiot can keep his job in the face of such obvious incompetence…
Yeah, but I doubt we’d have any problems with the Ms if they put a quality product on the field AND took care of rowdiness in the stands (i.e., kid friendly).
As I keep pointing out, they’re separate objectives. You can do BOTH—taking care of one has no effect on the other. Chuckie can be proud that it’s a good, family friendly proud–but he’s screwing up on the baseball end cause he thinks he knows what he’s doing.
63: Precisely — and I agree that you can do both.
Unfortunately for the fans, Chuckie keeps using that “family-friendly” talking point to gloss over all of the stuff that he’s NOT getting done on the baseball end.
I must add that perhaps Chuck has run the business side of the team well, and has the right idea in trying to market to a large audience and make the team as accessible as possible to them. On the business end, I can’t say I have any real problems with Chuck Armstrong. And there’s nothing wrong with setting a budget or demanding character accountability from the club. They have to turn a profit and manage a general product that will allow them to do so, after all.
The issue comes from the baseball end. He’s drifting outside of his field of expertise when he meddles in team construction. It’s sort of like an engineer going onto a construction site and seizing the controls of a forklift that he’s not trained to use.
That meddling is a lot of the same kind of crap that guys like Angelos do — only he OWNS the team, so I suppose he’s “within his rights” to do so.
Last I looked, Chuckie was an EMPLOYEE — not the owner.
Can’t even stay on-topic in a Doyle thread. Tsk tsk.
Anyone who listens to anything Chuck Armstrong says obviously forgets that he once called the signing of Randy Johnson in 1998 by the Diamondbacks a horrible move that they would regret for years. Chuck Armstrong went from running Seattle City Light to being President of the Mariners. He knows NOTHING about baseball.
68: Hmmm…let’s see…during the length of that contract, RJ AVERAGED 17W/305K/231IP per season, won 20 games twice and the Cy Young four times, got a WS MVP award (not to mention a ring), pitched a perfect game, and came within a start or two of shattering Nolan Ryan’s single-season strikeout record — and pretty much cemented his first-ballot HOF status.
Not bad there, Chuckie, for a guy that you and your lapdog Woody Woodpecker told the fans “had a bad back” and was subsequently washed-up.
And we’re supposed to trust your “expertise” on how to build a baseball team? >:(
Tampa on acquiring Snelly:
“We like Chris Snelling’s offensive profile quite a bit,” Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman said. “Obviously he’s had an extensive injury history; without that we wouldn’t have been able to acquire him on a waiver claim. We’re hopeful he can be a contributor to our ‘08 team.”
And, reportedly, STILL won’t admit it was a bad move. While it might be results-oriented thinking to castigate him for that, I’d have to say that if he’s still badmouthing Johnson to this date, that still doesn’t say much for his baseball acumen or player management skills.
Nahhh….that’s just of a piece of the player evaluation skills for this management team headed up by Armstrong…
The rug burns were the worst. They would actually bleed.
Yeah, I’ve never played sports on actual Astroturf, but I have played on one of its successors, Omniturf. Better padding, so it wasn’t as hard on the joints. But it was murderous to dive or slide on, for one thing they actually used sand as a cushioning agent on the surface, so sliding on it was exactly like sliding on sandpaper.
I remember the Sounders and other players in the old NASL complaining about playing on artificial turf, for awhile they experimented with putting vaseline on their legs (because even one sliding tackle could flay your leg) but needless to say that didn’t make the goalkeepers happy when they tried to catch a vaseline-lubed ball.
Field turf is much better, it’s installed over a base of crushed rock and sand (for drainage ) and the ground up tire also aids in cushioning.
I don’t know if the field that I play on now is Field Turf but it sounds similar. I still get raw skin and scabs, but it’s not too bad. The little black rubber specks I guess are important for cushioning, but they annoyingly get all over your skin and clothes and in your shoes, and then end up getting scattered around the house.
The scrapes have so far healed just fine, but my one worry is the hygenic nature of the turf; with other players scraping and spitting on the surface, I hope no one picks up one of those superbug staph infections.
http://www.wnbc.com/health/14382351/detail.html
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/49872.php
I never realized just how hard that old Astroturf surface really was until I went to (of all things) a trade show that was held down on the floor/field of the old Kingdome and got to walk around on that crud for a while. It’s no wonder guys like Bone and later Junior had issues with leg-related injuries during their careers.
We’ve already had accounts of MSRA infections from field turf scrapes at the local school level. These were incidents that happened at PE class. I know of 2 kids that had extended hospital stays because of them. It’s really important to wash scrapes/burns down when they happen on turf. The MSRA’s can spread incredibly quickly and you are right in that the hygiene of these turf fields is an issue.
Anyone want to go in with me on a Zamboni type machine for field turf? Some sort of steam cleaner/disinfectant machine.
If you’re playing on a field with ground up tire in it. It’s field turf. The only other place it’s used is on the old dirt (cushion turf) fields in the summer in a hilarious attempt to keep the dust down.
I remember the old vaseline coated leg days also. It isn’t needed as much these days because of the use of compression shorts and the height of player socks.
Doyle could kick Chuck Armstrong’s ass, on grass or turf, any day of the week.
It’s really important to wash scrapes/burns down when they happen on turf.
Ooh, that’s a really good idea which I should’ve thought of. Probably alcohol wipes are the way to go? Antibiotic ointments, when there might be no infection, would only increase the population of drug resistant bacteria — plus these MSRA bugs by definition are resistant to most antibiotics.
That field turf “Zamboni” is a great idea, Metz. You could run the thing around the surface before the game and then again at the half with a disinfectant spray. If it’s a health and safety issue, it may be the way to go in the future.
58: Oh, no — you just had to go and mention Stone Cold’s “bionic” knee brace, didn’t you?…
Chris Snelling…Major League baseball player…His career barely alive…”Gentlemen, we can rebuild him…We have the technology to build the world’s first bionic outfielder…Better than he was before…Better…Stronger…Faster!”
jeezus… I hate to wish ill upon another person but can he leave baseball already so the sad faithful can get over him already? lol. Talk about rooting for a hard luck case - this guy will never, ever be anything in MLB.
If people want to root for Doyle, that’s their prerogative.
Everybody who visits this site on a regular basis knows his injury history, but that doesn’t mean we can’t hope for him to turn it around anyway.
Fuck you, lamda, and I hope you enjoy your new USSM-free existence.
sigh.
this is only fun if you like the Sawx.
and my little old laptop keeps having psychotic breaks.
uh oh.
Marcus Giles has been released.
Veteran 2nd baseman? check.
Former Padre? check.
Scrappy little dirtbag? check.
82: Tell me about it! Geez, that mismatch termed a “World Series” back in ‘98 between SD-NYY wasn’t THIS bad — at least the Pads’ were actually IN a couple of those games.
so, are two series a big enough sample-sizeto say that one team having to wait a week+ to play the other team is not a goodthing?
Hey, here come the Rockies!
Actually, scott, you may be onto something….
Wow…did the Rox actually FINALLY wake up?
This is why every freakin’ Sox game is an agony. You can never feel confident until the last freakin’ out.
Actually, to answer my own question, NO!
Too bad the Red Sox took out that veteran guy with the cereal name and put in this rookie who can’t be depended on under pressure…
88: Hey, Gomez, how ’bout a $6 Million bonus for Doyle if the bionic implants are successful?
jeezus… I hate to wish ill upon another person but can he leave baseball already so the sad faithful can get over him already? lol. Talk about rooting for a hard luck case - this guy will never, ever be anything in MLB.
If you don’t want to root for the plucky little guy with talent and a string of bad luck, there are plenty of guys who’ve made way too much money and are “proven” history you can love. Hell, just get it over with and root for Bill Gates, that should satisfy you.
Hmmm…I seriously wonder if such technology in sports medicine (applied to limbs, joints, etc.) isn’t really all that far away:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bionics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Six_Million_Dollar_Man
Any ETA on when the Cardinals announce Antonetti as their new GM?
93. Sure, pay off the doctors for the surgery and then pile on incentive bonuses for every 100 ABs Doyle gives you. I wouldn’t consider that a bad investment.
Will Ho Ram find another home?
http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/mariners/story/189769.html
He can be guaranteed to find a new home if he goes into real estate as a profession.
He’s one of the exceptions to the rule that a MLB roster spot can be found for LH pitchers…
Fine! I’ll start a new thread for news stuff.