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		<title>By: jimmylauderdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmylauderdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Marlins are pretty happy with their corner OF&#039;s, Hermida and Willingham. They&#039;d be looking for a CF, catcher, or pitching, I imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Marlins are pretty happy with their corner OF&#8217;s, Hermida and Willingham. They&#8217;d be looking for a CF, catcher, or pitching, I imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: cebo04</title>
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		<dc:creator>cebo04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree #78. That needs to happen!

 Do you think we could get Dunn from the Reds for Sexson, a prospect and some cash?  He is in the last year of his contract as is Sexton and if they feel Votto needed some more time Sexson could certainly be somewhat successful in Cincy.  On top of that Dunn would give us the left handed bat that we need in the middle of that lineup.  I know he is somewhat of a defensive liability in the outfield but could we develop him more at first base and then sign him to a long term contract?  I&#039;m sure it would take a lot but for a 40 hr guy who is younger than 30, it may be worth it.

As to the talk of Truinfel, that&#039;s what I was hoping to learn and I think I have a better idea of our feeling on him.  I really wanted to know if we think this is the impact player that everyone seems to be making him out to be.  I&#039;ll be honest, if he is untouchable, I hope he becomes an absolute stud!

I like the idea of Olsen from Florida.  It probably wont take too terribly much.  I like the idea of moving a veteran (like Ibanez, though I know they wouldn&#039;t) because you know that Florida is always looking for someone to be a leader on that young team and on top of that their outfield has been weak in recent years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree #78. That needs to happen!</p>
<p> Do you think we could get Dunn from the Reds for Sexson, a prospect and some cash?  He is in the last year of his contract as is Sexton and if they feel Votto needed some more time Sexson could certainly be somewhat successful in Cincy.  On top of that Dunn would give us the left handed bat that we need in the middle of that lineup.  I know he is somewhat of a defensive liability in the outfield but could we develop him more at first base and then sign him to a long term contract?  I&#8217;m sure it would take a lot but for a 40 hr guy who is younger than 30, it may be worth it.</p>
<p>As to the talk of Truinfel, that&#8217;s what I was hoping to learn and I think I have a better idea of our feeling on him.  I really wanted to know if we think this is the impact player that everyone seems to be making him out to be.  I&#8217;ll be honest, if he is untouchable, I hope he becomes an absolute stud!</p>
<p>I like the idea of Olsen from Florida.  It probably wont take too terribly much.  I like the idea of moving a veteran (like Ibanez, though I know they wouldn&#8217;t) because you know that Florida is always looking for someone to be a leader on that young team and on top of that their outfield has been weak in recent years.</p>
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		<title>By: Sports on a Schtick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sports on a Schtick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 11:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would LOVE for Seattle to be so intent on AJ being an outfielder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would LOVE for Seattle to be so intent on AJ being an outfielder.</p>
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		<title>By: thefin190</title>
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		<dc:creator>thefin190</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>70 &amp; 72 - While we are commenting on the ignorance of people unaware of the USSMariner, I might want to add a quote from a Mariners&#039;s fan on foxsports.com

 izzyluvfootball
11/3/2007
11:09 AM (report inappropriate content)

Once again, the Seattle Mariners prove their ignorance by letting a good hitter and player go, and keeping a BLEEP coach. Why is seattle so intent on adam jones being the outfielder he hasn&#039;t proven himself at all! here we are ready to make a push for the division title and we immediatly take a step backwards. This is so frustrating.

Wow, I just shook my head reading that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>70 &amp; 72 &#8211; While we are commenting on the ignorance of people unaware of the USSMariner, I might want to add a quote from a Mariners&#8217;s fan on foxsports.com</p>
<p> izzyluvfootball<br />
11/3/2007<br />
11:09 AM (report inappropriate content)</p>
<p>Once again, the Seattle Mariners prove their ignorance by letting a good hitter and player go, and keeping a BLEEP coach. Why is seattle so intent on adam jones being the outfielder he hasn&#8217;t proven himself at all! here we are ready to make a push for the division title and we immediatly take a step backwards. This is so frustrating.</p>
<p>Wow, I just shook my head reading that.</p>
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		<title>By: Trev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Reds have Scott Hatteberg, Adam Dunn, and Joey Votto.

Richie makes $14 million next year.  Griffey&#039;s contract contains so much deferred money it equates to $9.2-9.3 million for the last year of his contract ($4 million buyout on $16.5 million 2009 option).

So the Reds make their 1B/DH logjam worse and take on salary all to acquire a poor man&#039;s Adam Dunn.  Who they hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Reds have Scott Hatteberg, Adam Dunn, and Joey Votto.</p>
<p>Richie makes $14 million next year.  Griffey&#8217;s contract contains so much deferred money it equates to $9.2-9.3 million for the last year of his contract ($4 million buyout on $16.5 million 2009 option).</p>
<p>So the Reds make their 1B/DH logjam worse and take on salary all to acquire a poor man&#8217;s Adam Dunn.  Who they hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Thoan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thoan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting back to the original post:

Sexson for Griffey, straight up.  I don&#039;t want Griffey here, but I want Sexson gone even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to the original post:</p>
<p>Sexson for Griffey, straight up.  I don&#8217;t want Griffey here, but I want Sexson gone even more.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 09:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Any player should be judged and valued based on what you can evaluate about their skills.

There is no good reason to arbitrarily value a player less because they are in the minor leagues.&lt;/i&gt;

Of course there&#039;s a discount for a minor leaguer. Potential is not the same as performance. Consider two player whose skill sets evaluate equally.  Player A has successfully made it to MLB and demonstrated performance that indicates he is one or two years away from realizing his projected potential.  Player B, with identical potential and skill set, has yet to successfully complete AA ball.

Despite having equal skill sets, Player A ought to be - and will be - valued more highly than Player B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Any player should be judged and valued based on what you can evaluate about their skills.</p>
<p>There is no good reason to arbitrarily value a player less because they are in the minor leagues.</i></p>
<p>Of course there&#8217;s a discount for a minor leaguer. Potential is not the same as performance. Consider two player whose skill sets evaluate equally.  Player A has successfully made it to MLB and demonstrated performance that indicates he is one or two years away from realizing his projected potential.  Player B, with identical potential and skill set, has yet to successfully complete AA ball.</p>
<p>Despite having equal skill sets, Player A ought to be &#8211; and will be &#8211; valued more highly than Player B.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any player should be judged and valued based on what you can evaluate about their skills. 

There is no good reason to arbitrarily value a player less because they are in the minor leagues.

Ryan Anderson was a flameout of near-historic levels; saying of every prospect &quot;but they could turn into Ryan Anderson!&quot; really doesn&#039;t tell you anything useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any player should be judged and valued based on what you can evaluate about their skills. </p>
<p>There is no good reason to arbitrarily value a player less because they are in the minor leagues.</p>
<p>Ryan Anderson was a flameout of near-historic levels; saying of every prospect &#8220;but they could turn into Ryan Anderson!&#8221; really doesn&#8217;t tell you anything useful.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#70-- I entertained myself by asking Street about the all-B infield, and he missed the point of the question, but mananged to answer the mis-read question incorrectly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#70&#8211; I entertained myself by asking Street about the all-B infield, and he missed the point of the question, but mananged to answer the mis-read question incorrectly.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point with Ryan Anderson is that there really shouldn&#039;t be anything as an &quot;untouchable&quot; prospect.  Every prospect is suspect until they have actually demonstrated they can perform at the MLB level.  Until they do that, their future performance profile needs to be discounted, and the further away from the big leagues and younger they are, the larger the discount that needs to be applied.

At the time David Arias was traded for Dave Hollins, he was only a prospect whereas the Mariners had need for a third baseman.  Setting aside the issue of whether Hollins was an intelligent solution to that need, there was nothing wrong with trading a prospect such as Arias (slugger with a big hole in his swing and marginal defensive skills) to plug a hole on the MLB roster, even though the player acquired might only be around for that season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point with Ryan Anderson is that there really shouldn&#8217;t be anything as an &#8220;untouchable&#8221; prospect.  Every prospect is suspect until they have actually demonstrated they can perform at the MLB level.  Until they do that, their future performance profile needs to be discounted, and the further away from the big leagues and younger they are, the larger the discount that needs to be applied.</p>
<p>At the time David Arias was traded for Dave Hollins, he was only a prospect whereas the Mariners had need for a third baseman.  Setting aside the issue of whether Hollins was an intelligent solution to that need, there was nothing wrong with trading a prospect such as Arias (slugger with a big hole in his swing and marginal defensive skills) to plug a hole on the MLB roster, even though the player acquired might only be around for that season.</p>
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