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	<title>Comments on: Gold Gloves</title>
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		<title>By: JonBBT</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/11/06/gold-gloves/comment-page-2/#comment-243336</link>
		<dc:creator>JonBBT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that Kenji could have won just on his ability to throw guys out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that Kenji could have won just on his ability to throw guys out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/11/06/gold-gloves/comment-page-2/#comment-242873</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;First baseman really shouldn’t be receiving defensive awards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well, having good (as opposed to bad) defense at first base is still significant; it&#039;s just not AS significant as the difference between a good and bad defender at, say, shortstop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>First baseman really shouldn’t be receiving defensive awards.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, having good (as opposed to bad) defense at first base is still significant; it&#8217;s just not AS significant as the difference between a good and bad defender at, say, shortstop.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph_Malph</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/11/06/gold-gloves/comment-page-2/#comment-242872</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph_Malph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it was HoRam who was confused; it was Bavasi when he traded for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it was HoRam who was confused; it was Bavasi when he traded for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Hooligan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/11/06/gold-gloves/comment-page-2/#comment-242871</link>
		<dc:creator>Hooligan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that has always annoyed me about Gold Gloves (and, similarly, defensive valuation) is that they are awarded by position.

First baseman really shouldn&#039;t be receiving defensive awards. Albert Pujols may play 1B better than the other 1B starters, but isn&#039;t that like saying, &quot;Albert, out of all of the defenders whose defensive shortcomings landed them at first base, you&#039;re number one - the best of the worst.&quot;

So even on Dave&#039;s list, Pujols receives defensive recognition, but Ichiro (a defensive god compared to Albert) doesn&#039;t get any props.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that has always annoyed me about Gold Gloves (and, similarly, defensive valuation) is that they are awarded by position.</p>
<p>First baseman really shouldn&#8217;t be receiving defensive awards. Albert Pujols may play 1B better than the other 1B starters, but isn&#8217;t that like saying, &#8220;Albert, out of all of the defenders whose defensive shortcomings landed them at first base, you&#8217;re number one &#8211; the best of the worst.&#8221;</p>
<p>So even on Dave&#8217;s list, Pujols receives defensive recognition, but Ichiro (a defensive god compared to Albert) doesn&#8217;t get any props.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/11/06/gold-gloves/comment-page-2/#comment-242870</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HoRam was confused because he thought he could pitch, and he was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HoRam was confused because he thought he could pitch, and he was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: HamNasty</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/11/06/gold-gloves/comment-page-2/#comment-242868</link>
		<dc:creator>HamNasty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSB, 57-  I thought I was going to have to break that awful article news.  The whole thing makes me shudder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSB, 57-  I thought I was going to have to break that awful article news.  The whole thing makes me shudder.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/11/06/gold-gloves/comment-page-2/#comment-242867</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 19:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really think we&#039;re that far apart, Eric, maybe we&#039;ve gotten into splitting the already split hair &lt;b&gt;again&lt;/b&gt;. :)

The general point I was trying to make is that teams are only going to be consistently successful in putting a good defense on the field (and by extension, a better team) if they not only know how to identify where a player is on the spectrum of defensive ability, but also know how to figure out how big of an impact that player has on their overall defensive results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really think we&#8217;re that far apart, Eric, maybe we&#8217;ve gotten into splitting the already split hair <b>again</b>. <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The general point I was trying to make is that teams are only going to be consistently successful in putting a good defense on the field (and by extension, a better team) if they not only know how to identify where a player is on the spectrum of defensive ability, but also know how to figure out how big of an impact that player has on their overall defensive results.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/11/06/gold-gloves/comment-page-2/#comment-242866</link>
		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is so sad.

&quot;... the team is hoping new pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre can help salvage a project of two. “We think Mel can help someone like Horacio Ramirez, who was one confused guy most of last year,” Bavasi said.&quot; --TNT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is so sad.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; the team is hoping new pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre can help salvage a project of two. “We think Mel can help someone like Horacio Ramirez, who was one confused guy most of last year,” Bavasi said.&#8221; &#8211;TNT.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Walkingshaw</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/11/06/gold-gloves/comment-page-2/#comment-242865</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Walkingshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From 54: &quot;The teams that put a good defense on the field will be the ones that can not only identify good defenders and bad ones, but that also understand how to determine how much effect they have on run prevention.&quot;

I think you&#039;re missing the evaluation vs. valuation point, Jeff.  The organizations that put *good teams* on the field will be the ones that really understand how defense affects run prevention.  

The point was that most teams can already recognize good defense (evaluation), but don&#039;t know how much it&#039;s actually worth (valuation).  You don&#039;t have to be understand how defense actually affects run prevention to put a good defense on the field.  But to properly value a player or team as a whole (offense and defense), you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From 54: &#8220;The teams that put a good defense on the field will be the ones that can not only identify good defenders and bad ones, but that also understand how to determine how much effect they have on run prevention.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re missing the evaluation vs. valuation point, Jeff.  The organizations that put *good teams* on the field will be the ones that really understand how defense affects run prevention.  </p>
<p>The point was that most teams can already recognize good defense (evaluation), but don&#8217;t know how much it&#8217;s actually worth (valuation).  You don&#8217;t have to be understand how defense actually affects run prevention to put a good defense on the field.  But to properly value a player or team as a whole (offense and defense), you do.</p>
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		<title>By: argh</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/11/06/gold-gloves/comment-page-2/#comment-242864</link>
		<dc:creator>argh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Son, you just taking all the tobacco juice right outa this game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Son, you just taking all the tobacco juice right outa this game.</p>
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