Comments on: The Most Fun Trade Ever, Part Two http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:38:22 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: scott19 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/comment-page-2/#comment-244933 scott19 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:27:24 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/#comment-244933 40: My initial reaction as well was that the Tigers were "mortgaging their future" with this move -- and granted, they did give away a boatload of talent to get Cabrera and the D-Train. However, I agree that their front office has a pretty good eye for scouting and drafting young talent -- and are certainly a lot more savvy now then they were back in 2000 when they made that disastrous deal for about 100 games worth of Juan Gonzalez' whining during his contract year. I think they'll probably be alright as well. Besides, kudos to Dave Dombrowski are in order for keeping Miggy AWAY from the Angels! :) 40: My initial reaction as well was that the Tigers were “mortgaging their future” with this move — and granted, they did give away a boatload of talent to get Cabrera and the D-Train. However, I agree that their front office has a pretty good eye for scouting and drafting young talent — and are certainly a lot more savvy now then they were back in 2000 when they made that disastrous deal for about 100 games worth of Juan Gonzalez’ whining during his contract year. I think they’ll probably be alright as well.

Besides, kudos to Dave Dombrowski are in order for keeping Miggy AWAY from the Angels! :)

]]> By: eponymous coward http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/comment-page-2/#comment-244931 eponymous coward Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:25:11 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/#comment-244931 <i>Red Sox with Santana in ‘08 > ANY of the Braves teams in the 90s. The Red Sox actually have a bullpen, and a legit lineup, as opposed to Mark Wohlers, Trot Nixon, and Fred McGriff.</i> Hmm, let's see. The 1996/1997 Braves were 4th and 3rd in NL runs scored. The 2006-2007 Red Sox were 6th and 3rd. Nope, still not ready to turn them into a dynasty. Sorry. You might also note that Manny and Varitek will be closer to 40 than 30 when Opening Day comes around, and a lot of big offensive contributors are on the wrong side of 30. My working theory is the Red Sox will be a legitimately good team next year, and even better with Santana... but the offense might struggle some, as it's a poster child for Too Many Old Guys. Red Sox with Santana in ‘08 > ANY of the Braves teams in the 90s. The Red Sox actually have a bullpen, and a legit lineup, as opposed to Mark Wohlers, Trot Nixon, and Fred McGriff.

Hmm, let’s see. The 1996/1997 Braves were 4th and 3rd in NL runs scored. The 2006-2007 Red Sox were 6th and 3rd.

Nope, still not ready to turn them into a dynasty. Sorry. You might also note that Manny and Varitek will be closer to 40 than 30 when Opening Day comes around, and a lot of big offensive contributors are on the wrong side of 30.

My working theory is the Red Sox will be a legitimately good team next year, and even better with Santana… but the offense might struggle some, as it’s a poster child for Too Many Old Guys.

]]> By: Teej http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/comment-page-2/#comment-244859 Teej Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:31:20 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/#comment-244859 #51: What are you going to do with Maybin and Miller? Wait three years and try then? Wait five years and pray that somehow the Red Sox front office has stopped building awesome teams? In a few years, most of Detroit's best hitters will be in serious decline, if not out of baseball. It's just ludicrous to think that Detroit will be in a better position to win it all in a few years than they are right now. You take the Sox, I'll take the field. It's playoff baseball. The best team seldom wins. #51: What are you going to do with Maybin and Miller? Wait three years and try then? Wait five years and pray that somehow the Red Sox front office has stopped building awesome teams? In a few years, most of Detroit’s best hitters will be in serious decline, if not out of baseball. It’s just ludicrous to think that Detroit will be in a better position to win it all in a few years than they are right now.

You take the Sox, I’ll take the field. It’s playoff baseball. The best team seldom wins.

]]> By: Mustard http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/comment-page-2/#comment-244752 Mustard Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:33:36 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/#comment-244752 Would the M's be interested in Shawn Green? I know he is now a shell of his former self, but he would be an affordable 1 year contract and useful left handed stick in the lineup. On the plus side he had a nice Sept. Would the M’s be interested in Shawn Green? I know he is now a shell of his former self, but he would be an affordable 1 year contract and useful left handed stick in the lineup. On the plus side he had a nice Sept.

]]> By: JJD http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/comment-page-2/#comment-244747 JJD Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:38:42 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/#comment-244747 I just wonder if the Tigers didn't just indirectly help the Twins get a bigger package back for Santana. With the hard-on everyone has for the Tigers lineup (apparently the latest "new '27 Yankees") the Twins suddenly have yet another reason to get nothing less than the maximum value for him. I just wonder if the Tigers didn’t just indirectly help the Twins get a bigger package back for Santana. With the hard-on everyone has for the Tigers lineup (apparently the latest “new ‘27 Yankees”) the Twins suddenly have yet another reason to get nothing less than the maximum value for him.

]]> By: bermanator http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/comment-page-2/#comment-244746 bermanator Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:32:00 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/#comment-244746 Keep in mind that for the Tigers, money appears to me not much of an issue. The fact that Cabrera is expensive and Maybin/Miller are cheap isn't a big deal to them. Cabrera is only, what, 24? At least when you mortgage the future to get him, you receive a pretty darned good future in return. Keep in mind that for the Tigers, money appears to me not much of an issue. The fact that Cabrera is expensive and Maybin/Miller are cheap isn’t a big deal to them.

Cabrera is only, what, 24? At least when you mortgage the future to get him, you receive a pretty darned good future in return.

]]> By: TheEmrys http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/comment-page-2/#comment-244745 TheEmrys Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:26:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/#comment-244745 #51 If its all about pitching, quit talking about the Braves hitters and don't gloss over their pitchers. From 1991 - 1998, a Brave deservedly won the Cy Young. The only two years that were not a Brave? 1992 Maddux as a Cub and 1997 Pedro Martinez. No team had the pitching had like the Braves. 8 years of pitching domination. It isn't like any of their pitchers had down years, either. #51 If its all about pitching, quit talking about the Braves hitters and don’t gloss over their pitchers. From 1991 – 1998, a Brave deservedly won the Cy Young. The only two years that were not a Brave? 1992 Maddux as a Cub and 1997 Pedro Martinez. No team had the pitching had like the Braves. 8 years of pitching domination. It isn’t like any of their pitchers had down years, either.

]]> By: TheEmrys http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/comment-page-2/#comment-244744 TheEmrys Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:17:14 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/#comment-244744 Honestly, this is great in several ways: 1. Angels don't get Cabrera (thrill me!) 2. Dontrelle Willis is no longer an option for the M's to acquire (yes, I was worried he would be brought in at the cost of Morrow - another reliever for a starter deal) 3. Detriot made themselves much better offensively, and much worse defensively. But, still much better overall. 4. The Angels haven't made a big, scary movve. 5. One less rabbit for Billy Beane to pull out of his hat. Oh, and for all the people scared of how good the Red Sox might be..... wait until they actually acquire Santana. And if you are so sure they are that unbeatable, cash in your 401K and place your bet on them in Vegas today. The odds you'll get will be phenominal and you can go buy an island or whatever. Honestly, this is great in several ways:

1. Angels don’t get Cabrera (thrill me!)

2. Dontrelle Willis is no longer an option for the M’s to acquire (yes, I was worried he would be brought in at the cost of Morrow – another reliever for a starter deal)

3. Detriot made themselves much better offensively, and much worse defensively. But, still much better overall.

4. The Angels haven’t made a big, scary movve.

5. One less rabbit for Billy Beane to pull out of his hat.

Oh, and for all the people scared of how good the Red Sox might be….. wait until they actually acquire Santana. And if you are so sure they are that unbeatable, cash in your 401K and place your bet on them in Vegas today. The odds you’ll get will be phenominal and you can go buy an island or whatever.

]]> By: built2crash http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/comment-page-2/#comment-244743 built2crash Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:15:06 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/#comment-244743 #52 - me too I'm a little confused, as Dave seems to like this trade for Detroit, even though they have literally given up the farm. Dontrell is going to get lit up in the American league, and I just think Detroit gave up too much. #52 – me too I’m a little confused, as Dave seems to like this trade for Detroit, even though they have literally given up the farm. Dontrell is going to get lit up in the American league, and I just think Detroit gave up too much.

]]> By: scraps http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/comment-page-2/#comment-244742 scraps Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:06:46 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/04/the-most-fun-trade-ever-part-two/#comment-244742 I admit my initial reaction on seeing the trade was an open-mouthed, "my god the marlins fleeced them", and I expected Dave to rip the trade. I admit my initial reaction on seeing the trade was an open-mouthed, “my god the marlins fleeced them”, and I expected Dave to rip the trade.

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