Comments on: Jose Guillen to get suspended for steroid, HGH purchases http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:03 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-245086 msb Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:17:45 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/#comment-245086 because there is a set penalty for a 2nd positive test for stimulants. because there is a set penalty for a 2nd positive test for stimulants.

]]> By: scott19 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-245064 scott19 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:53:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/#comment-245064 Just curious...how did Guillen only manage to get 10-15 games for HGH when Cammie wound up 25 for "stimulants"? Just curious…how did Guillen only manage to get 10-15 games for HGH when Cammie wound up 25 for “stimulants”?

]]> By: LA M's Fan http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-245058 LA M's Fan Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:03:00 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/#comment-245058 Here is a thought. Could Guillen's 500K buyout be tied to a provision that the M's wouldn't offer arbitration? Thus, Guillen would get the ability to be slightly more attractive to a new team and the M's would pocket 500K for not offering arbitration? Here is a thought. Could Guillen’s 500K buyout be tied to a provision that the M’s wouldn’t offer arbitration? Thus, Guillen would get the ability to be slightly more attractive to a new team and the M’s would pocket 500K for not offering arbitration?

]]> By: joser http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-245051 joser Fri, 07 Dec 2007 06:03:54 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/#comment-245051 It doesn't apply in Guillen's case, where they have the shipping records to back it up, but you know that excuse that goes "I must've taken tainted supplements"? It always sounded lame to me. But If <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hdrYWEGe8kdnhjVT8TNfOOj6_CRAD8TBJ3BO3" rel="nofollow">this study</a> holds up in broader tests, we may have to be a little more forgiving: <blockquote> One quarter of dietary supplements purchased in a recent sampling contained traces of steroids and 11.5 percent had banned stimulants </blockquote> It doesn’t apply in Guillen’s case, where they have the shipping records to back it up, but you know that excuse that goes “I must’ve taken tainted supplements”? It always sounded lame to me. But If this study holds up in broader tests, we may have to be a little more forgiving:

One quarter of dietary supplements purchased in a recent sampling contained traces of steroids and 11.5 percent had banned stimulants

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-245032 msb Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:51:51 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/#comment-245032 Guillen's suspension is <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3144472" rel="nofollow">official</a> Guillen’s suspension is official

]]> By: Ace http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-245031 Ace Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:40:24 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/#comment-245031 The only outlay for Dickey is a roster spot and those can be very valuable, assuming you have another player that can be productive waiting in the wings. On the other hand if this is the slot they were wasting last year on Rick White/John Parrish/Jason Davis then Dickey is even better than free. The only outlay for Dickey is a roster spot and those can be very valuable, assuming you have another player that can be productive waiting in the wings. On the other hand if this is the slot they were wasting last year on Rick White/John Parrish/Jason Davis then Dickey is even better than free.

]]> By: joser http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-244990 joser Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:17:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/#comment-244990 <i>The guy they drafted in the Rule 5 is 33 years old. How excited should we really be about that?</i> Knuckleballers last forever. Just ask Wakefield. Or the Niekro brothers (well, you can't ask Joe, but that's not because he wasn't durable on the mound). Anyway, it's a essentially a gamble with almost zero outlay (aside from the opportunity cost if there's a hidden gem out there they could've picked up instead). If they get anything out of the guy, it's a good move. And I'll certainly watch more games if I think I'm going to see a knuckler pitch. The guy they drafted in the Rule 5 is 33 years old. How excited should we really be about that?

Knuckleballers last forever. Just ask Wakefield. Or the Niekro brothers (well, you can’t ask Joe, but that’s not because he wasn’t durable on the mound).

Anyway, it’s a essentially a gamble with almost zero outlay (aside from the opportunity cost if there’s a hidden gem out there they could’ve picked up instead). If they get anything out of the guy, it’s a good move. And I’ll certainly watch more games if I think I’m going to see a knuckler pitch.

]]> By: Evan http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-244958 Evan Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:53:34 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/#comment-244958 <em>at least one ESPNRadio host was saying that the reason the Angels signed a second CF is because they knew they were going to be many games without Matthews. I would fully expect more suspensions.</em> And that's crazy. Grounds for suspensions need to be negotiated with the MLBPA, and baseball doesn't have any leverage on this one. MOre and more I think the MLBPA is run by people on Selig's payroll. at least one ESPNRadio host was saying that the reason the Angels signed a second CF is because they knew they were going to be many games without Matthews.

I would fully expect more suspensions.

And that’s crazy. Grounds for suspensions need to be negotiated with the MLBPA, and baseball doesn’t have any leverage on this one.

MOre and more I think the MLBPA is run by people on Selig’s payroll.

]]> By: swwashfan http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-244955 swwashfan Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:25:15 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/#comment-244955 30 and 31 Read this Joe Posnanski post http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/12/05/sigh/ on the Guillen deal to get an idea on how it must feel to be a Royals fan. Also makes me feel better about dumping Guillen. 30 and 31
Read this Joe Posnanski post
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2007/12/05/sigh/
on the Guillen deal to get an idea on how it must feel to be a Royals fan. Also makes me feel better about dumping Guillen.

]]> By: msb http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/comment-page-1/#comment-244954 msb Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:19:39 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/jose-guillen-to-get-suspended-for-steroid-hgh-purchases/#comment-244954 Dickey used to be best known for being "that pitcher born without a ligament in his elbow" ... Apparently he switched to the knuckler around '05, and after that really bad outing with Texas in '06 he changed his delivery even more, and had better success with it in Nashville. Dickey used to be best known for being “that pitcher born without a ligament in his elbow” … Apparently he switched to the knuckler around ‘05, and after that really bad outing with Texas in ‘06 he changed his delivery even more, and had better success with it in Nashville.

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