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		<title>By: Mousse</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/win-now-do-this/comment-page-3/#comment-245560</link>
		<dc:creator>Mousse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Phillies and Padres are now the favorites to sign Jenkins.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7564680</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Phillies and Padres are now the favorites to sign Jenkins.</p>
<p><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7564680" rel="nofollow">http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7564680</a></p>
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		<title>By: con</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/win-now-do-this/comment-page-3/#comment-245301</link>
		<dc:creator>con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfect, that’s 100 ABs for Durham who historically has hit better from the right side of the plate assuming they pull off Dave’s suggested deal of Sexson for Durham.

My point was that Jenkins had 65 ABs vs. LHP last year and hit .215 (.697 OPS).  You have to platoon Jenkins unless you want to give him a minimum of 165 ABs vs. LHP.  Why is Durham getting those ABs in the OF?  Durham is a second baseman or a DH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfect, that’s 100 ABs for Durham who historically has hit better from the right side of the plate assuming they pull off Dave’s suggested deal of Sexson for Durham.</p>
<p>My point was that Jenkins had 65 ABs vs. LHP last year and hit .215 (.697 OPS).  You have to platoon Jenkins unless you want to give him a minimum of 165 ABs vs. LHP.  Why is Durham getting those ABs in the OF?  Durham is a second baseman or a DH.</p>
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		<title>By: Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/win-now-do-this/comment-page-3/#comment-245161</link>
		<dc:creator>Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bill James’ projections disagree with your statement that Ellsbury is vastly overrated.&quot;

Ummmm, perhaps Bill James&#039; is overrating him too in that case?  There&#039;s hardly proof in projecting, but it&#039;s all opinion in any case.

&quot;Unless you want to see him hit .215 vs. LHP again with a hundred extra ABs from the left side.&quot;

Perfect, that&#039;s 100 ABs for Durham who historically has hit better from the right side of the plate assuming they pull off Dave&#039;s suggested deal of Sexson for Durham.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bill James’ projections disagree with your statement that Ellsbury is vastly overrated.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummmm, perhaps Bill James&#8217; is overrating him too in that case?  There&#8217;s hardly proof in projecting, but it&#8217;s all opinion in any case.</p>
<p>&#8220;Unless you want to see him hit .215 vs. LHP again with a hundred extra ABs from the left side.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perfect, that&#8217;s 100 ABs for Durham who historically has hit better from the right side of the plate assuming they pull off Dave&#8217;s suggested deal of Sexson for Durham.</p>
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		<title>By: gohalos</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/win-now-do-this/comment-page-3/#comment-245136</link>
		<dc:creator>gohalos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With almost 30m sunk into Sexson and Beltre the first question is are the Ms willing to fork out any more just for a shot at winning the West?

Seeing that the Ms are considering Colon, they must be expecting him to sign at less than Batista&#039;s 6m. Well if Gagne got 10m, chances are that no matter how many buffet tables there are in Seattle, Colon will want more than Washburn&#039;s 10m.

Isn&#039;t it time for the Ms to have a fire sale and get a new GM? Bring the payroll in line with Florida&#039;s 15m a year and realize that they should write off Sexson? 

Why do people think the Os are willing to trade Bedard? Its up to the owner who vetoes just about everything and chances are he&#039;ll go to the NL before going to the AL.

As to the Angels giving up players to other teams. This is a myth. They might say give up Kotchman if they could land Morneau. Or they might give up Moseley and a prospect for a player like Josh Fields. 

Those kind of deals will happen. Other than that I would not expect much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With almost 30m sunk into Sexson and Beltre the first question is are the Ms willing to fork out any more just for a shot at winning the West?</p>
<p>Seeing that the Ms are considering Colon, they must be expecting him to sign at less than Batista&#8217;s 6m. Well if Gagne got 10m, chances are that no matter how many buffet tables there are in Seattle, Colon will want more than Washburn&#8217;s 10m.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it time for the Ms to have a fire sale and get a new GM? Bring the payroll in line with Florida&#8217;s 15m a year and realize that they should write off Sexson? </p>
<p>Why do people think the Os are willing to trade Bedard? Its up to the owner who vetoes just about everything and chances are he&#8217;ll go to the NL before going to the AL.</p>
<p>As to the Angels giving up players to other teams. This is a myth. They might say give up Kotchman if they could land Morneau. Or they might give up Moseley and a prospect for a player like Josh Fields. </p>
<p>Those kind of deals will happen. Other than that I would not expect much.</p>
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		<title>By: con</title>
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		<dc:creator>con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill James&#039; projections disagree with your statement that Ellsbury is vastly overrated.  And yes it&#039;s true clubs appear to be only offering one elite prospect in their proposals but one could argue nothing is getting done.  I disagree with bringing in a platoon outfielder in Jenkins.  Unless you want to see him hit .215 vs. LHP again with a hundred extra ABs from the left side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill James&#8217; projections disagree with your statement that Ellsbury is vastly overrated.  And yes it&#8217;s true clubs appear to be only offering one elite prospect in their proposals but one could argue nothing is getting done.  I disagree with bringing in a platoon outfielder in Jenkins.  Unless you want to see him hit .215 vs. LHP again with a hundred extra ABs from the left side.</p>
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		<title>By: nathaniel dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathaniel dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 07:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Which brings up the question…isn’t there value in keeping the other top teams from having Santana? How should that figure into the M’s calculations? If the Angels get him the M’s are just that much further behind them for the AL West pennant.”&lt;/i&gt;

A lot of that would depend on who the Angels give up and how that impacts their chances of winning next year. If they are giving up players that can help them win at the major league level this year, it might actually help the M&#039;s compete with them. 

Also, you have to consider the long-term impact as well, if the Angels are giving up prospects in the deal. If you consider yourself a long-term fan of the Mariners, then perhaps you would think it a good thing if the Angels improved their chances of winning this year at the expense of winning in future seasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Which brings up the question…isn’t there value in keeping the other top teams from having Santana? How should that figure into the M’s calculations? If the Angels get him the M’s are just that much further behind them for the AL West pennant.”</i></p>
<p>A lot of that would depend on who the Angels give up and how that impacts their chances of winning next year. If they are giving up players that can help them win at the major league level this year, it might actually help the M&#8217;s compete with them. </p>
<p>Also, you have to consider the long-term impact as well, if the Angels are giving up prospects in the deal. If you consider yourself a long-term fan of the Mariners, then perhaps you would think it a good thing if the Angels improved their chances of winning this year at the expense of winning in future seasons.</p>
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		<title>By: fwbrodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwbrodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon further review, although that would be a nice package for the Orioles if they were looking for a big time catching prospect, they already have a young stud in Matt Wieters. Too bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon further review, although that would be a nice package for the Orioles if they were looking for a big time catching prospect, they already have a young stud in Matt Wieters. Too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: fwbrodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>fwbrodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the M&#039;s could somehow pull Bedard and Roberts without giving up Jones... something like:

C Jeff Clement, RHP Brandon Morrow, OF Wlad Balentien, LHP George Sherrill, 2B Jose Lopez, RHP Kameron Mickolio, and 3B Matt Tuiasosopo

Wouldn&#039;t you think that some people out there would value Clement higher than Adam Jones based on his position premium and his left-handedness?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the M&#8217;s could somehow pull Bedard and Roberts without giving up Jones&#8230; something like:</p>
<p>C Jeff Clement, RHP Brandon Morrow, OF Wlad Balentien, LHP George Sherrill, 2B Jose Lopez, RHP Kameron Mickolio, and 3B Matt Tuiasosopo</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you think that some people out there would value Clement higher than Adam Jones based on his position premium and his left-handedness?</p>
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		<title>By: galaxieboi</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/win-now-do-this/comment-page-3/#comment-244967</link>
		<dc:creator>galaxieboi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just saw Andruw Jones signed with the Dodgers.  Seems an odd deal though.  I thought he&#039;d do a one year to have a better walk year or just go for 5-7 years.  Interesting.  Dave or Derek, you guys got a take on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just saw Andruw Jones signed with the Dodgers.  Seems an odd deal though.  I thought he&#8217;d do a one year to have a better walk year or just go for 5-7 years.  Interesting.  Dave or Derek, you guys got a take on this?</p>
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		<title>By: ooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 18:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[no politics, please]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[no politics, please]</p>
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