Silva signing announcement later this week
DMZ · December 19, 2007 at 1:17 pm · Filed Under Mariners
The PI’s reporting “the Mariners could announce they’re signing him as early as Thursday.”
4y, $44m, as previously rumored.
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ugh… after reading Dave’s analysis yesterday let’s just say I’m less than thrilled. My question would be a who would you rather hypothetically have. Silva at 4/44 or Meche at the 4/44 he has left. When will this organization ever learn anything?
So the fun question is, how much of this is Bavasi and how much of this is the higher-ups pushing for name recognition?
#2
And just think, we could have had both!
When I think about all our missed opportunities….
*shakes head sadly*
Bad craziness.
I wish I could quit being a fan of this team.
Small sample size, I know, but here’s how Silva has done the last three years pitching in Safeco:
20.1 innings
26 hits
2 walks
9 Ks
3.98 ERA
Small sample size, I know, but here’s how Silva has done the last three years pitching in Safeco:
20.1 innings
26 hits
2 walks
9 Ks
3.98 ERA
We can only hope he puts up a 3.98 ERA. I’m sure it’s possible, but I wouldn’t go betting on it. If I was forced to throw a number out because someone held a gun to my head, I’d say 4.50-4.60 FIP at Safeco. Of course that could just as easily be 4.20 or 4.90.
Well, he put up a ~4 ERA at Safeco facing the Mariners. Unfortunately for him, that’s the one team he won’t get to pitch against at Safeco. Looking at his career numbers at the other AL West stadiums, he’s done well in LA and Oakland and got rocked in Texas. But the samples are just too small to mean anything.
More interesting, if not necessarily relevant, stuff in the splits:
Silva’s had only three 3-0 counts in the last three seasons, and just 38 3-1 counts.
Who projects better, Kuroda or Silva? It seems like the numbers being thrown around were about the same for each.
The Idiots…
They refused to resign Meche, but chose to throw ridiculous amounts of money at Silva. Being a Ms fan is extremely depressing.
meant to say Meche for this kind of money.
*gnashes teeth*
*wails*
Oh well, let’s all look forward to 4 years from now when the Silva contract comes off the books. Think of all the ways we can spend that money!
I like MarinerDan’s optimism.
Felix
Bedard
Washburn
Batista
Silva
That aint bad. Get it done Bavasi.
More interesting, if not necessarily relevant, stuff in the splits:
Silva’s had only three 3-0 counts in the last three seasons, and just 38 3-1 counts.
Are you kidding? That is some crazy good control. Are those 3-0 counts counting intentional walks?
<i.Silva’s had only three 3-0 counts in the last three seasons, and just 38 3-1 counts.
This reminds me of that 50-something white dude who could make like 500 free throws in a row.
One person’s “good control” is another person’s “extremely hittable.”
Aaaaand the 2-0 pitch is SWUNG ON AND BELTED!
I dare any of the regular readers of this site to eat a full meal and then read the comments after Hickey’s blog entry. Ok, maybe it is not so much a dare as me feeling a little silly for having lost my lunch at work and not wanting to be alone.
The thing that a move like this always shows me is how many types of fans there are of baseball. The reactions to this move and the “What to do next is..” comments are all over the globe. As for me, I am just so very excited to see a parade of “seeing eye hits” next year when Silva pitches.
16 – That rotation might be pretty decent, unfortunately it damages our future prospects. And that rotation doesn’t put the M’s into contention for the playoffs, especially in light of the damage the Bedard trade would do to the other components of the team.
More like:
Bedard
Felix
Bautista
Washburn
Silva
But who cares.
More realistically:
Felix
Washburn
Batista
Silva
Ramirez
That aint (sic) good.
Silva seems like a classic example of Dave’s “command vs. control” argument.
Get defensive help and this move becomes swallow able. If not its another waste of money, fans time, and a year we could be using to retool for a playoff run.
It’s a waste of money and good will regardless of what else Bavasi does.
If he improves the defense – fine, so much the better, but signing a mediocre right-handed, pitch to contact guy for $44M is a move that deserves to be evaluated on its own merits.
Which are few.
How about:
Bedard
Felix
Silva
Washburn
Dickey?!?! (Just so every 5 days I can here, “Dickey with a crazy junker strikes out him out!” plus the chances of Niehaus calling him 10 variations of Dickey is about 95%.)
HoRam in Alaska somewhere…
Thats my preferred order.
HoRam in Alaska somewhere…
Hey, we don’t want him.
So for the next two seasons, 3/5 of our rotation will consist of Washburn, Batista & Silva. Sweet.
Well, we are stuck with him now. Let’s hope they can mitigate the damage by improving the defense. KEEP ADAM JONES.
#28 — The problem with that (otherwise fine) rotation is that I may have to endure a call like this:
“DICKey kicks and delivers the 1-2 pitch to Dan JOHNSON.
JOHNSON grounds the ball slowly to second, WILLIE Bloomquist scoops it up and fires to SEXson at first. Bang-bang play. He is called out by Ed HicKOX.
Good thing Bobby COX isn’t managing in this game. He would have been TOSSED for sure!”
I apologize for this.
MarinerDan… Thank goodness we didn’t get Fukudome as well!
32. I laughed. But when it becomes a reality, I might not be!
Anyways, I really dislike the FO sometimes…
Does anyone care that even if we get Bedard, our offense is going to suck like none other?
Does anyone care that even if we get Bedard, our offense is going to suck like none other?
No, because it probably won’t.
I know, you’re right, the offense won’t be horrible. Regardless, I’m tired of everyone filling out their favorite starting pitching rotation, while seemingly ignoring that if we acquire Bedard, we’ll have no right fielder, and Raul in left field.
#37: Hence why it’s just best now to stand pat with our starting pitching and improve other areas of the roster.
#32 — Not really a lot different than when Junior, Bone, ARod and the Big Unit were, um, hanging around the Kingdome.
%(&*!
I just know that Bavasi must be wrapping the farm system in a nice bow for the Orioles right about now . . .
This sucks. Why am I a Mariners fan again? I wish I could understand the FO’s thinking on this one because to me, this seems like a horrible signing. WHY MARINERS? WHY!!!
39 – Don’t forget EDDGAARRRR … I miss those days.
hmm. and here ESPN sez “Acquiring lefty Erik Bedard could push a team into the elite class.”
#43: It would if you didn’t have to give up half the farm.
Wow…I thought I was depressed during the season last year… Silva? I’d rather have Meche any day of the week and twice on Sunday than Silva.
I think Silva is closer to Ryan Franklin than Meche, Meche at least could throw a 12-6 curve, well it usually ended up all over the place, but at least Meche had *stuff*
I already predict the new M’s commercials will sell Silva as being a right-handed Moyer, of course he’s not.
Speaking of Moyer, saw his father in-law, Digger Phelps, today in Magnolia. He looked as grumpy as me or else I would have asked how happy Jamie was to be out of this mess.
#47– he’s here for a wine-selling fund-raiser tonight
43: Wonder what they’re smokin’ over at ESPN these days?
Well I will get crushed for this but we just got a major league pitcher that has survived (I’m not saying done exceptionally well) in the American League for the last few years and held his own. As of right now, we haven’t lost any of our prospects and there is a lot more winter to go. I’m going to be optimistic in this one.
I have just one question. Does Washburn hold any trade value (more likely in the National League) and is there a possibility that we could make a move?
I have just one question. Does Washburn hold any trade value (more likely in the National League) and is there a possibility that we could make a move?
Trade value? Probably very little. But the bigger question is why Bavasi would ever trade Washburn.
He just spent weeks scrambling to find an (assumed) upgrade to the rotation. He has said he needs two upgrades. So, I’m not sure why he would deal Washburn, unless he got someone back that was at least as good.
Bavasi is in an almost psychotic “must acquire pitching” mode — trading Washburn seems about the least likely move he could make.
Very true. Perhaps it’s just wishful thinking.
And the 2008 starting rotation shall be named thusly:
King Felix and the Four Punching Bags.
I like Jim Street’s comment at MLB.com, about now that we have Silva and Dickey, we could be done looking for pitchers. Ah, Jim, if only that were true, I think I would actually be happy. I wouldn’t be too excited about ‘08, but at least I would still be looking forward to ‘09.
I should include the link and quote:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071219&content_id=2333777&vkey=news_sea&fext=.jsp&c_id=sea&partnered=rss_sea
53- It is already better then last year unless we think Jeff Weaver needs to get shellacked a few more times. And I don’t see HoRam keeping a SP job for more then 5 starts if RRS, Ryan F. or any of the young guys even resembles a starting pitcher. But McLaren/Bavasi is making those decisions so all logic just got thrown out the window.
HoRam in Alaska somewhere…
–Hey, we don’t want him.
The bears aren’t picky.
Is anyone reporting the Mariners have a serious bead on acquiring Bedard and what does his future look like?
# 47
Digger Phelps is currently dating one of my best friends mother. Weird story but it’s true.
I would’ve enjoyed a trade for Edwin Jackson a lot more then this….even if it meant no more Wladimir Balentien (and whatever other prospect not named Jones, Morrow, or Clement they wanted.) At least Jackson would’ve been under team control and cheap for a few more years. Oh, and he has a heck of a more lively arm and is going to only be 25 next season.
I just hope I don’t wake up in the morning one day and see the following headline “Mariners acquire Lefty Ace Bedard from Orioles……..Seattle sends OF Adam Jones, RHP Brandon Morrow, and 3B Carlos Triunfel.” I’d cry if that happens and to be honest Bavasi could be that stupid….well probably not THAT dumb.
If signing Silva means Jones stays home, I can live with it. But damn, I wish Mitchell would do an investigation into unlawful use of stupid pills in certain front offices . . .
Hmph. I wouldn’t mind too much if they still could pull a trade for Jackson or another Tampa arm–still possible, actually.
Don’t see ANY major move I like….
So Silva’s signings pretty much official now I guess, the Times and the site both report it has being done pretty much.
I honestly don’t really care for some reason.
WOW, way to make a splash this offseason. If the Mariners intent is to drive fans away, then its the best baseball related decision they have made in years. I can’t believe I have the “opportunity” to watch Silva pitch in an M’s uniform.
Don’t the Mariners need a strong infield defense to make Silva seem a good pitcher?
Are Lopez and Sexson all that bad? I’m not sure how they compare with the rest of the league….
My take is that Silva has got to be twice as good as Weaver was. He’s kind of like Batista, who has actually done pretty well with us, in that they both get groundball outs. If Silva does what Batista did last year (wiggling his way out of jams), but with less walks, I bet he could win 14-15 games. He’s certainly no Felix, though.
By the way, USSM staff, do you think Felix will get a relatively big contract when his is up, with other teams trying to offer big money? Could he be pryed away from us by big offers from the Sox or the Yankees?
Ho-Ram, though not allowed to pitch in the Alaska Baseball League, would probably lose his starting job to Sean Timmons.
In all of the Silva articles, I’m still seeing the rumors persist that the Mariners are a top contender in trade discussions for Bedard. Assuming the trade does happen (and Jones, Morrow depart), what’s the outfield solution? I keeping seeking Geoff Jenkins come up here (in USS Mariner). He’s a left-handed hitter, sure, and his OBP is decent, but he’s past prime, is he not?
What about Corey Patterson? Looking at the remaining free agent OF, he’s looking like the one name I wouldn’t mind seeing in a Mariners uniform, should Jones depart. He’s young (under 30), still stealing a ton of bases, and his SO numbers have come down substantially. And he’s a left-handed hitter, too. Power numbers are lower than Jenkins’, sure, but am I missing something else here (honest question; not rhetorical)? I don’t see any impending deals form him on the MLB free agent tracker.
The Seattle Times article on the Silva signing suggests (in a quote from McLaren) that the Bedard discussions are still real:
“The Mariners are still working on a deal to land Baltimore Orioles starter Erik Bedard after being snubbed in their initial attempts to trade for Johan Santana of the Minnesota Twins.
“We’re in on both lefties,” McLaren said of Bedard and Santana. “We’re still talking to Minnesota.” “
I think Lopez is a good glove at second. Nothing great but acceptable. Using either defensive metrics or just by watching games you can tell Sexson is atrocious at first.
I am really dissapointed with Bill Bavasi’s stupidity here. One thing I will admit though, if this satisfies Bavasi’s raging clue for starting pitching, then I will be happy. I would much rather see this headline than the aquiring Bedard for the whole farm system headline. All I want is AJ to stay on the Mariners roster until Spring training, then I think he’ll be safe for the season, and prove how bomb he is, then even the M’s FO wouldn’t be dumb enough to trade him. Plus they don’t have much depth in the outfield anyway.
29. HoRam in Alaska somewhere…
Why do we gotta take him? Send him to Canada or something.
McLaren.
I had almost forgotten McLaren.
I’m reading that Jenkins signed for 2 years $13 million with the Phils. That seems even below what Dave had speculated. Did our FO even consider this option? Ahhh the frustration!
Well, to put a small ray of sunshine here. Silva is pretty buddy-buddy with Santana. AND from what I’ve seen online, the M’s might not be completely out of the Santana deal.
Maybe. Just Maybe. This is a precursor to a Santana deal. [finishes drink]
hmm.
playing closer to home for a sure-fire post-season giant or
hang around the Seattle clubhouse with Carlos…..
This is a way smarter move than I expected Bavasi to make when Kuroda opted for the Dodgers.
I had advocated if the Kuroda deal fell through that the M’s should take the offer they had for him and sweeten then in turn offer it to Silva.
It appears much to my surprise Bavasi must have been thinking along the same lines or he’s taken to reading blogs and forums.
Now if he can just change gears and forget the Bedard deal.
Instead approach the Rays about one of the young MLB ready surplus arms and save the prospects for the roster.
Another tack he can take is a short term incentive laden contract(1 or 2 yrs only) for one of the following:
Bartolo Colon
Mark Prior
Kris Benson
til either ‘09 or ‘10 when the FA/trade pitching market is more flexiable or some of the inhouse starters are ready like Tillman,Morrow,even Augmont.
So, Carlos Silva for 4/44 or Dontrelle Willis for 3/29?
Maybe the Tigers aren’t so smart…
#77: Frankly there is a difference in the deals bettween the two pitchers.
Silva is new contract and a FA signing while Willis is a extension deal to avoid his going FA so Detriot gets its value out of the trade.
I feel I must add that Willis is unknown quality againist AL hitting on a season long every 5th day start.This is not true of Silva because of his tenure with Minnesota.
With the wear and tear he underwent in Miami with little or no DL time makes me suspect he’s an injury waiting to happen.
Also the tigers traded prospects and Andrew Miller for Willis and Cabrera – the extension isn’t really the same as a free agent signing.
I know I am going to get beat up for this…
Bavasi just improved our rotation. Did he pay too much to do so? I don’t care. As long as they put a better product on the field, why should I care what they spend?
Trade for Bedard and all of a sudden we have a very good starting rotation, which is the key to winning.
Let yourselves be happy!
It’s official. 4 years, $48M. I hate the Mariners.
Link: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7587480
If we get Bedard, I love this deal. Two proven, 28 year old starters added to the rotation? What’s not to like?
If we don’t add Bedard, this is decent deal, but not nearly enough to make us competitive with LAA.
The Silva signing is money poorly spent. If you are a fan of any team other than the Yankees or Red Sox, the efficiency of how that team spends its money should be of significant concern to you, because payroll limitations WILL be used as a reason that future moves cannot be made to improve the team.
When have the M’s publicly said recently they didn’t have the money to offer a FA player? I don’t think the issue is how much money they spend, but who they have chosen to spend the money on. The money seems to be there when they make deals. We can all agree they tend to overpay for nearly everyone.