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KOMO Hot Stove Nuggets of Bavasi widsom
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My favorite Miguel Cairo factoid:
November 29, 1995: Traded by the Los Angeles Dodgers with Willis Otanez to the Seattle Mariners for Mike Blowers.
December 18, 1995: Traded by the Seattle Mariners with Bill Risley to the Toronto Blue Jays for Paul Menhart and Edwin Hurtado.
Well it looks like we filled that Veteran leadership void left when Guillen wasn’t resigned.
sorry, I got distracted. Nuggetty goodness, paraphrased.
why Miguel?
he is a lot of protection against injury at any infield position, and important for that to be a veteran, esp. at the end of the year. still a young guy, still runs well, takes some of the weight off of Bloomie’s shoulders. You saw him come off the bench and play 1st base for a stretch with the Yanks last year.
how is he ‘a complement to Willie’ (something Bill apparently said earlier)?
with Jones in RF, Ichiro in center, the only other outfielder who has plus plus speed is Willie, so adding Miguel takes the pressure off Mac if he needs to go to Willie earlier in the game
does that mean you expect Mac to use the bench more?
Bill wouldn’t commit himself (we know why) but you just have to make sure you’ve got the strongest bench you can have, get him more bullets to use
Pitching?
They still in the market for pitching, though it’s a thin, slow market, even though they are happy with adding Silva, and with the strides made by Morrow, White & RRS in Venezuela. White made the greatest strides– he was relegated to the minor league team due to ‘health problems’, then promoted to the big club– did better with grasping the whole change of speeds thing. RRS was at a disadvantage because he had to get stretched out, without going to AZ first as Morrow did, but he also did well.
Because of the market, Santana & Bedard are going to be real expensive, real, real tough to get; thinks the effort might be made to move them now, though, as a club might want to protect against injury or poor performance.
after a long summary of the A’s sell-now position, Glasgow asks, AL West?
Angels are the team you have to deal with; most people underestimate Texas, they are going to be a better club, as they are trying to get pitching.
Guys on the team have to do a better job; if they get starting pitching then that augments the bullpen as Morrow can go back to the end of the bullpen; if getting pitching costs someone on the roster, then they’ll have to fill that spot too…
does ‘do better’ mean Richie?
he needs to have a better year than he did last year, he needs better health, with a healed hamstring; see him healthy with good spirits, he should be fine. A veteran, if healthy, is going to give you what he has given you.
Youngsters to look far at spring?
Mickolio, Balentien, fun to watch Jones– dunno that there will be a Sean Green kind of surprise, though. Mark Lowe is doing fine now, but until he gets on the mound, you never know. He took a step backwards because they used him too many innings, in and out
oh, and Miguel Cairo sez “I love the city”– he is very excited, happy to be here, knows Batista & some of the coaches and players, ready for everything they ask him to do. Knows his role, and ready to do it.
“A veteran, if healthy, is going to give you what he has given you.”
So untrue.
“Miguel Cairo sez “I love the cityâ€
How much did he see in those three weeks in late 1995?
he repeated many times that he loves the city. so does his wife. and the shopping.
#1– so should we think of it as a Blowers for Hurtin’ Hurtado deal, then?
A veteran, if healthy, is going to give you what he has given you.
That seems to be the basic substance of decision making, with the caveat that “what he has given you” is based on his best performance.
Miguel Cairo also says “I can’t believe somebody gave me a guaranteed major league contract. Suckers!”
White made the greatest strides– he was relegated to the minor league team due to ‘health problems’, then promoted to the big club–
Freakin’ A. For a moment I thought that was Rick White.
I have no idea what this post is about.
Can I now assume that I will not see a “nineteen days since a bad move” post tomorrow morning. Signing Cairo makes no sense. Mac, like Grover, will use a four man bench so that he can keep a 12 man pitching staff. So WFB and Cairo comprise half of the bench. Burke makes three. Any guesses on who gets to fill the Roberto Petagine memorial bench spot as the left handed bat that never bats?
I can’t decide if you’ve typo’d ‘widsom’ intentionally or unintentionally, given the context.
In response to Willie being the only other OF, besides Ichiro and AJ, to have plus speed, I will point out that Bavasi’s logic dictates that if AJ is still on the team, he will be the first player for whom Mac will PH. Mac won’t PH for Ichiro (good thing) and Ibanez (not always such a good thing), so why would he need another OF with plus speed? To remove AJ from the game of course. However, even if removing AJ from the game was a good idea, I would have preferred Bavasi sign an actual OF with plus speed rather than a utility infielder whose purpose is to free up the currently employed utility infielder for more OF duty. Ahh, that Bavasi widsom at work.
Does this make Jose Vidro expendable? I can’t see any scenario in which Vidro would be used. If the Mariners keep 12 pitchers on their roster (which I think is a mistake-11 would be better, especially if the goal is to get the starters to go more innings)) that only leaves 4 position players. With Burke and possibly Clement as the back-up catchers that only leaves 2 other players. If Bloomquist and Cairo are the back-up infielders and possibly Morse or Balentien as the outfielder, there is no room for Vidro. A combination of Ibanez, Clement, Morse or Balentein, Sexson or Cairo could be used at DH. With Ibanez, Cairo, Bloomquist or Morse spelling Sexson at first. The M’s might be able to package Vidro, (he does have some trade value)with some good minor league prospects and get a starter, maybe not the caliber of Bedard but someone that could be very serviceable, especially if he could eat up innings (like Jamie Moyer). What do you think?
I have absolutely NO idea what this post means, or what it’s supposed to be about. Google isn’t helping either. Anybody want to shed some light here?
I have absolutely NO idea what this post means, or what it’s supposed to be about. Google isn’t helping either. Anybody want to shed some light here?
msb left a comment in the previous post saying he had some info on Bavasi’s appearance on KOMO, so Derek created a thread for it. See comment #3.
Wow. Just… wow. If Miguel Cairo is the answer, you’re asking the wrong question. Somewhere, a Dodgers fan is sleeping soundly after being relived of his terror that Torre would prevail upon Coletti to retrieve his favorite futility infielder. And Steven Goldman is laughing.
M’s sign Cairo, Rockies get Marcus Giles on a minor league deal. Sigh.
We Yankee fans over at Bronx Banter were so appalled at Cairo playing 1B – nothing like a 1B who’s primary skills are bunting and having once played numerous positions – that we took to calling him “Miggy Mantle”. The humor helped ease the pain. For a couple of days at least.
And now a major league GM has cited Cairo’s play at 1B as a reason he is a good bench player and a good guy to have. Wow.
“Somewhere, a Dodgers fan is sleeping soundly after being relived of his terror that Torre would prevail upon Coletti to retrieve his favorite futility infielder.”
If I were a Dodgers fan, I’d still be petrified of a trade going down later in the year, especially if the Mariners fall out of contention. Torre’s love for Cairo is quite powerful.
How about THIS nugget from Bavasi in Larry Stone’s article today:
“We’d like to continue to work on the starting rotation whether that means trade, free agent, IMPROVE HORACIO, … ”
What?! Are you serious? Does Mighty Mel have a magic wand he is bringing with him? This offseason is SO painful … not that other Bavasi offseasons haven’t been!
I guess Cairo is going to be the guy to “push” Jose Lopez too … WOW! Good Luck Jose. That’ll be tough to hold Cairo out of the opening day lineup.
No kidding about that Horacio line. I almost puked in my cereal.
hey, that was “plus plus speed”, mister.
That’s why he is Miracle Mel.
(“The King’s stinking son fired me, and thank you so much for bringing up such a painful subject. While you’re at it, why don’t you give me a nice paper cut and pour lemon juice on it?”)
19 “…if the Mariners fall out of contention.”
I LOL’d.
msb,
So they say, “You gotta love these guys!”
I prefer a nice MLT, you know, mutton-lettuce-tomato. Besides, they are probably saying “to blave” which means “to bluff,” right? There’s no way anyone really believes improving Horacio is a viable option…is there??
Before he got hurt Horacio actually pitched pretty good for the Braves under Leo Mazzone’s tuteledge. Maybe Stottlemeyer can do the same thing–lets see.
Just a little tidbit-I belive that catcher Scott Bradley of the Mariners once got traded for himself. He was traded for a player to be named later, who at the end of the season was…you guessed it Scott Bradley.
So, are we to infer from these comments that we are, indeed, trotting out Richie and HoRam for another go ’round in ’08? Did we already know this about Richie and I just hadn’t heard it?
I can’t stand another six months of those guys’ futility. If their cooperative suckfest speeds Bavasi and Mac out the door, however, I will forgive them for past indiscretions.
Cairo was an expected signing. If you have not payed attention the past few seasons, the Mariners have a tendency to aquire a veteran player every season. Everyone knows that sometime in spring training that person ussually gets hurt or does not make the roster. For example look back at Pokey Reese boy what a run he had with the Mariners eh?
Just a little tidbit-I belive that catcher Scott Bradley of the Mariners once got traded for himself. He was traded for a player to be named later, who at the end of the season was…you guessed it Scott Bradley.
I love this story, and I want it to be true — but I’ve heard it about various other players, and Baseball-Reference says
Well, I think some of the comments are directed for the construction of the bench as a whole. There’s a difference in getting another Bloomquist type for the bench when you don’t have any pop on the bench vs. getting a veteran shortstop when you didn’t have an established shortstop.
If anything, wouldn’t Cairo push Lopez to play worse? All you have to do to keep your job is be better than a 33 yr old veteran would struggles to hit .600 OPS.
Cairo for MVP anyone?
I belive the trade I was referring to was with the New York Yankees but I’m not 100% sure.
June 6, 1978: Drafted by the Minnesota Twins in the 12th round of the 1978 amateur draft, but did not sign.
June 8, 1981: Drafted by the New York Yankees in the 3rd round of the 1981 amateur draft.
February 13, 1986: Traded by the New York Yankees with Glen Braxton (minors), Neil Allen, and cash to the Chicago White Sox for Ron Hassey, Matt Winters, Chris Alvarez (minors), and Eric Schmidt (minors).
June 26, 1986: Traded by the Chicago White Sox to the Seattle Mariners for a player to be named later. The Seattle Mariners sent Ivan Calderon (July 1, 1986) to the Chicago White Sox to complete the trade.
April 9, 1992: Released by the Seattle Mariners.
April 28, 1992: Signed as a Free Agent with the Cincinnati Reds.
July 27, 1992: Traded by the Cincinnati Reds to the New York Mets for a player to be named later. The New York Mets sent Joe McCann (minors) (September 15, 1992) to the Cincinnati Reds to complete the trade.
October 16, 1992: Granted Free Agency.
December 22, 1992: Signed as a Free Agent with the New York Mets.
Sorry, never happened.
Rob Ducey was said to have been traded for himself, but it didn’t really happen that way. From baseballreference.com:
July 26, 2000: Traded by the Philadelphia Phillies to the Toronto Blue Jays for a player to be named later. The Toronto Blue Jays sent John Sneed (minors) (July 31, 2000) to the Philadelphia Phillies to complete the trade.
August 7, 2000: Sent by the Toronto Blue Jays to the Philadelphia Phillies to complete an earlier deal made on August 5, 2000. The Toronto Blue Jays sent a player to be named later to the Philadelphia Phillies for Mickey Morandini. The Toronto Blue Jays sent Rob Ducey (August 7, 2000) to the Philadelphia Phillies to complete the trade.
So, it sounds like Bavasi mentioned Jones a LOT in how he is trying to construct his roster. That makes it sound unlikely he would trade Jones for Bedard.