Comments on: 22 Things I Believe About This Trade

By: Jeff Nye

Jeff Nye — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:02:17 +0000

I’ve already said, once, that this is not the “Dave is a big meanie” thread.

Don’t mistake DMZ trying to be nice and address your concerns as an excuse to keep bashing Dave.

By: Taylor H

Taylor H — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:54:53 +0000

Colorado M’s Fan – I take my hat off to you for your correct assessment of the current USSM issues. I think Dave ought to be more mature about this whole thing. Yes, he’s tired of arguments based on unreliable evidence, but he still needs to act like an adult and not just insult anyone who disagrees with him.

By: kearly

kearly — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:34:56 +0000

Which thankfully I didn’t, so I’m not. I was just complimenting DMZ as a way to bridge the gap in our disagreement. Heck, if I obsessed and had done as much work as these guys have on the Jones/Bedard trade, and had as strong a position as them, I’d probably be upset too.

By: gwangung

gwangung — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:29:14 +0000

And to be fair to you, I noticed that you kept yourself completely under control in this thread. So by saying “USSM author” I probably should have been more specific.

Well, yeah…most people liked to be blamed for what they actually do and say….I mean, if you blame one person for what someone else does, you come off looking like an….idiot….

By: Colorado M's Fan

Colorado M's Fan — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 03:54:42 +0000

Don’t be an idiot, DMZ, of course saying “don’t be an idiot” is insulting.

The anger in these posts is undeniable. As far as insult laced, yeah, there is insulting language used in some of these posts. I wasn’t saying that one post in itself had 10+ insults in it, just that this thread does.

And to be fair to you, I noticed that you kept yourself completely under control in this thread. So by saying “USSM author” I probably should have been more specific.

By: DMZ

DMZ — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:58:34 +0000

Saying that someone shouldn’t be an idiot in is, again, != saying that person’s an idiot.

Saying that something might be the worst comparison in the history of mankind is not an “angry, insult laced retort”.

As for the masses thing, well, I can see how that reads.

And yet I still don’t read these as “angry, insult laced”.

By: Colorado M's Fan

Colorado M's Fan — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:41:57 +0000

Just hit ctrl-f and enter “Dave.” His first several comments contain insulting language (i.e. “don’t be an idiot,” “ignorant masses,” “worst comparison in history of mankind”). I could go further but why bother, its no secret that emotions have been riding high in this thread.

Also, I apologize for using the term “Stalinist,” thats obviously a huge exaggeration. A more apt term would probably be “O’ Reillyesque.”

I like USSM a lot and I think its clearly the most educated Seattle sports website there is. I’m not trying to badmouth USSM, I’m just sharing an observation about a pattern of behavior I don’t particularly care for.

By: DMZ

DMZ — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:32:43 +0000

Show me an “angry, insult laced retort by USSM”.

I’m not seeing them, and I’m curious what qualifies in your eyes.

By: Colorado M's Fan

Colorado M's Fan — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:30:43 +0000

#240, #258.

I understand that there are differences between USSM and other forum based websites. For example, at the Seattle PI, if you make statements that are out of line on a regular basis, your account is deleted and in some cases your ISP is banned. I could be wrong, but my observation of USSM indicates that those options aren’t on the table, hence the very heavy and very specific individual use of censorship and moderating. So saying things like “we could be a lot harder on them” is believable, except for time when say:

-USSM Author makes a case.
-Comment with (sometimes valid) counterpoint
-Angry, insult laced retort by USSM.
-Comment responds (but is deleted).

Behind the scenes I could believe that deletion may have been well justified, however, from a 3rd party perspective, it looks pretty bad. Which isn’t to say you guys are actually Stalinist, just that it sometimes looks that way.

By: scott19

scott19 — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:11:03 +0000

259:
Edgar – again, a valid point. For a historical perspective on the “super swell ace who would’ve been even more awesome if not for injury” theory, see also: Gullett, Don; Fernandez, Sid; or Guzman, Juan.

Just saying.