Comments on: An Extension for Bedard? http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:39:06 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Wolfman http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/comment-page-2/#comment-250907 Wolfman Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:47:38 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/#comment-250907 Fascinating thread. I would HATE to lose Jones but isn't it easier to find a good OF than a top-of-the-rotation pitcher? Seems Bedard could be a rare chance to put the rotation into the elite. Am I wrong? Fascinating thread. I would HATE to lose Jones but isn’t it easier to find a good OF than a top-of-the-rotation pitcher? Seems Bedard could be a rare chance to put the rotation into the elite. Am I wrong?

]]> By: nathaniel dawson http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/comment-page-2/#comment-250868 nathaniel dawson Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:59:00 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/#comment-250868 Wow. I can't think of a single thing in that whole analyses that I could take argument with. I mean, really, really excellent breakdown of what could happen with Bedard and his contract situation. Sort of a back-of-the-envelope, pencil sketch of the possibilities, but one that captures the issues facing both sides, and will likely end up close to actuality. Unless some team goes apeshit and offers him 8/160 or something stupid. Wow.

I can’t think of a single thing in that whole analyses that I could take argument with. I mean, really, really excellent breakdown of what could happen with Bedard and his contract situation. Sort of a back-of-the-envelope, pencil sketch of the possibilities, but one that captures the issues facing both sides, and will likely end up close to actuality.

Unless some team goes apeshit and offers him 8/160 or something stupid.

]]> By: mikelb420 http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/comment-page-2/#comment-250769 mikelb420 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:28:01 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/#comment-250769 Just out of curiousity, if Bedard is lights out in April-May-June, and the M's are totally out of it, does anyone think the M's would consider trading him again? Maybe they could recoup some or even more talent than they just gave away? It's kind of the baseball equivalent of day trading, but just wondering what the M's might fetch in return? If not this year, then next year if it becomes apparent he will not sign an extension. Just out of curiousity, if Bedard is lights out in April-May-June, and the M’s are totally out of it, does anyone think the M’s would consider trading him again? Maybe they could recoup some or even more talent than they just gave away? It’s kind of the baseball equivalent of day trading, but just wondering what the M’s might fetch in return? If not this year, then next year if it becomes apparent he will not sign an extension.

]]> By: gwangung http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/comment-page-2/#comment-250767 gwangung Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:21:13 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/#comment-250767 <blockquote> I understand that the whole world revolves around stats. I get that Bedard is worth maybe about 5 extra wins, but could it be more? </blockquote> Probably not. That sort of uber-production is quite rare...that's Randy-Johnson-in-his-prime level...maybe. He's not at that level. Too, a lot of the wins Bedard will get would have been gotten by the bullpen. Lastly, there's his durability....ain't gonna get wins if he's on the DL. <blockquote>I can’t help but wonder why he has been thought off as such a solid fielder. </blockquote> What's the single most important attribute for an outfielder? It's not his arm. It's not his glove. It's being able to get to the ball. That means speed and taking good routes to the ball. We know he has speed. Scouting reports indicate that he has learned to take good routes. And focussing on Bedard as a pitcher ignores the effects of poor outfield defense on the other three starters (and the bullpen for that matter). Make no mistake about it...this is a very bad trade to make.

I understand that the whole world revolves around stats. I get that Bedard is worth maybe about 5 extra wins, but could it be more?

Probably not. That sort of uber-production is quite rare…that’s Randy-Johnson-in-his-prime level…maybe. He’s not at that level. Too, a lot of the wins Bedard will get would have been gotten by the bullpen. Lastly, there’s his durability….ain’t gonna get wins if he’s on the DL.

I can’t help but wonder why he has been thought off as such a solid fielder.

What’s the single most important attribute for an outfielder? It’s not his arm. It’s not his glove. It’s being able to get to the ball. That means speed and taking good routes to the ball. We know he has speed. Scouting reports indicate that he has learned to take good routes.

And focussing on Bedard as a pitcher ignores the effects of poor outfield defense on the other three starters (and the bullpen for that matter).

Make no mistake about it…this is a very bad trade to make.

]]> By: djalakas http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/comment-page-2/#comment-250726 djalakas Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:43:33 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/#comment-250726 I understand that the whole world revolves around stats. I get that Bedard is worth maybe about 5 extra wins, but could it be more? I do feel that Adam Jones could very well come back and make the Mariners decision a bad one. Shocker! I can't help but wonder why he has been thought off as such a solid fielder. He is still young, but I don't see him winning any gold gloves any time soon. I don't mean to be trashing on Jones. I think he can be a very good player in this league, but I can't help but wonder why no power hitters want to play in Safeco. That's right.. It's a pitchers park. Bedard may be worth 5 extra wins, but how about the pressure he will be taking off Hernandez as the #1 guy. Maybe we see Felix pitch without the pressure this year, and maybe he hits 20 wins. I don't think this is the greatest trades in the history of trades, but I don't think it's the worst. I understand that the whole world revolves around stats. I get that Bedard is worth maybe about 5 extra wins, but could it be more?
I do feel that Adam Jones could very well come back and make the Mariners decision a bad one. Shocker! I can’t help but wonder why he has been thought off as such a solid fielder. He is still young, but I don’t see him winning any gold gloves any time soon. I don’t mean to be trashing on Jones. I think he can be a very good player in this league, but I can’t help but wonder why no power hitters want to play in Safeco. That’s right.. It’s a pitchers park.
Bedard may be worth 5 extra wins, but how about the pressure he will be taking off Hernandez as the #1 guy. Maybe we see Felix pitch without the pressure this year, and maybe he hits 20 wins.
I don’t think this is the greatest trades in the history of trades, but I don’t think it’s the worst.

]]> By: terry http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/comment-page-2/#comment-250710 terry Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:09:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/#comment-250710 <blockquote>With the Wilkerson signing it’s now official…the FO doesn’t have an answer for replacing the offensive and defensive contribution of Jones.</blockquote> They have an answer in year one-cross your fingers. It worked well last season.... BTW, this has been a fascinating thread.

With the Wilkerson signing it’s now official…the FO doesn’t have an answer for replacing the offensive and defensive contribution of Jones.

They have an answer in year one-cross your fingers. It worked well last season….

BTW, this has been a fascinating thread.

]]> By: shortbus http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/comment-page-2/#comment-250623 shortbus Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:13:18 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/#comment-250623 With the Wilkerson signing it's now official...the FO doesn't have an answer for replacing the offensive and defensive contribution of Jones. This fact alone annihilates the notion that adding Bedard will help the team win now -- and I seriously doubt the M's will be able to sign him to an extension. Basically they are hanging their hopes on Richie Sexson hitting 40 home runs. Not to mention hoping that none of the players over 30 years of age on this roster spends any length of time on the DL. This move is going to be completely ineffective...but at least it's really expensive too. Is there any other kind of move this team knows how to make? With the Wilkerson signing it’s now official…the FO doesn’t have an answer for replacing the offensive and defensive contribution of Jones. This fact alone annihilates the notion that adding Bedard will help the team win now — and I seriously doubt the M’s will be able to sign him to an extension. Basically they are hanging their hopes on Richie Sexson hitting 40 home runs. Not to mention hoping that none of the players over 30 years of age on this roster spends any length of time on the DL. This move is going to be completely ineffective…but at least it’s really expensive too. Is there any other kind of move this team knows how to make?

]]> By: Bilbo http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/comment-page-2/#comment-250577 Bilbo Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:03:22 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/2008/01/31/an-extension-for-bedard/#comment-250577 OppoField, just watch every fifth day to take the sting out. OppoField, just watch every fifth day to take the sting out.

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