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	<title>Comments on: M&#8217;s fall to second place</title>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/03/26/ms-fall-to-second-place/comment-page-1/#comment-255264</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;xeifrank said: &quot;Ok, so you don’t like how the games in Japan were handled. [...]&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;d be much happier if MLB just totally lost this idea of having pre-Opening Day (or Opening Day, as bizarre as the timing was) games in Japan.  After all, don&#039;t the World Series winners/2nd place teams go over to Japan during the post-World-Series offseason to play exhibition games?  

Surely that should be enough, even for Selig and Co.  (but, obviously not). 

Next thing we know, Bud and his Buddies will be sending a troop of 4 teams all around the world to play to our boys in Iraq, to open up new territory in Russia&#039;s Gulag, and to tour China a la Bingo Long and the Travelling All-Stars and Motor Kings, ending up with an exhibition game against the Survivor All-Stars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>xeifrank said: &#8220;Ok, so you don’t like how the games in Japan were handled. [...]&#8220;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;d be much happier if MLB just totally lost this idea of having pre-Opening Day (or Opening Day, as bizarre as the timing was) games in Japan.  After all, don&#8217;t the World Series winners/2nd place teams go over to Japan during the post-World-Series offseason to play exhibition games?  </p>
<p>Surely that should be enough, even for Selig and Co.  (but, obviously not). </p>
<p>Next thing we know, Bud and his Buddies will be sending a troop of 4 teams all around the world to play to our boys in Iraq, to open up new territory in Russia&#8217;s Gulag, and to tour China a la Bingo Long and the Travelling All-Stars and Motor Kings, ending up with an exhibition game against the Survivor All-Stars.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/03/26/ms-fall-to-second-place/comment-page-1/#comment-255223</link>
		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I also thought it was tacky that they sold ads on the players helmets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

thus looking like a Japanese baseball team :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I also thought it was tacky that they sold ads on the players helmets.</p></blockquote>
<p>thus looking like a Japanese baseball team <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: theberle</title>
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		<dc:creator>theberle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also thought it was tacky that they sold ads on the players helmets. If they really had to literally &quot;sell out&quot; to get the game played, then I don&#039;t think they should have played a regular season in Japan.

Also, I don&#039;t think there would have been any less interest if it wasn&#039;t a regular season game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also thought it was tacky that they sold ads on the players helmets. If they really had to literally &#8220;sell out&#8221; to get the game played, then I don&#8217;t think they should have played a regular season in Japan.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t think there would have been any less interest if it wasn&#8217;t a regular season game.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;— Propose something else that the MLPA won’t veto&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m not proposing alternate solutions here, but noting my reaction to how the end result went. I agree with other commenters- I feel like if the choice was doing something like this or doing nothing, MLB should have done gone ahead with the season at it normally does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>— Propose something else that the MLPA won’t veto</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not proposing alternate solutions here, but noting my reaction to how the end result went. I agree with other commenters- I feel like if the choice was doing something like this or doing nothing, MLB should have done gone ahead with the season at it normally does.</p>
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		<title>By: rdave</title>
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		<dc:creator>rdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some comments:

- I don’t like having a single series this far early
   -- Propose something else that the MLPA won&#039;t veto

- I don’t like that MLB fans here couldn’t easily watch, much less attend
   -- Again propse somethine else that is consitant with your ending comment where you approve of the gesture.

- I don’t like having any team’s home opener in a different city
  -- Agreed, they aren&#039;t really home games. But I&#039;m sure that the A&#039;s got a lot more money from the game playing in Japan than a mid season game.  Plus they will have a real home opener later.

- It’s crazy that they’re following real games with more spring training games
  -- agreed. too wierd.


- I don’t like that the two teams have to play through spring training, these games, and then go back to spring training and into the season under different roster constraints than everyone else
  -- agreed.  This is too wierd.  But I don&#039;t have any thoughts on how to do it better yet.  The only &quot;fair&quot; way to do it is to have all of the teams play their first 2 games abroad (which may not be a bad idea for MLB).


Maybe because I live in Australia, I&#039;m more used to games at odd times etc, but I applaud the effort to broaden the market, even if there is a lot of room for improvement.

In regards to the comments on Jayson Stark, I think that he is a little ambitious.  MLB had to prove the market.  Can you imagine playing &quot;opening day&quot; in London to a crowd of 40,000 vs Japan with 110,000.  Baby steps,  I don&#039;t even think that there is British team in the 2009 World Tournament.  Also, China is a much bigger market which I&#039;m sure it more attractive to MLB than all of Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some comments:</p>
<p>- I don’t like having a single series this far early<br />
   &#8212; Propose something else that the MLPA won&#8217;t veto</p>
<p>- I don’t like that MLB fans here couldn’t easily watch, much less attend<br />
   &#8212; Again propse somethine else that is consitant with your ending comment where you approve of the gesture.</p>
<p>- I don’t like having any team’s home opener in a different city<br />
  &#8212; Agreed, they aren&#8217;t really home games. But I&#8217;m sure that the A&#8217;s got a lot more money from the game playing in Japan than a mid season game.  Plus they will have a real home opener later.</p>
<p>- It’s crazy that they’re following real games with more spring training games<br />
  &#8212; agreed. too wierd.</p>
<p>- I don’t like that the two teams have to play through spring training, these games, and then go back to spring training and into the season under different roster constraints than everyone else<br />
  &#8212; agreed.  This is too wierd.  But I don&#8217;t have any thoughts on how to do it better yet.  The only &#8220;fair&#8221; way to do it is to have all of the teams play their first 2 games abroad (which may not be a bad idea for MLB).</p>
<p>Maybe because I live in Australia, I&#8217;m more used to games at odd times etc, but I applaud the effort to broaden the market, even if there is a lot of room for improvement.</p>
<p>In regards to the comments on Jayson Stark, I think that he is a little ambitious.  MLB had to prove the market.  Can you imagine playing &#8220;opening day&#8221; in London to a crowd of 40,000 vs Japan with 110,000.  Baby steps,  I don&#8217;t even think that there is British team in the 2009 World Tournament.  Also, China is a much bigger market which I&#8217;m sure it more attractive to MLB than all of Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: James T</title>
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		<dc:creator>James T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harden looked great but the Sox offense looked out of sync both games.  One of the Boston beat writers said, on TV, that the players are all very tired.  

I agree with an earlier poster, that playing in europe would be better.  Plus they&#039;re, what, 5-6 hours ahead of us here in Massachusetts which would be much easier to deal with than games starting at 6 am.  I thought I&#039;d read that there was a french game called &quot;theque&quot; which was sort of their version of cricket and at least somewhat related to baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harden looked great but the Sox offense looked out of sync both games.  One of the Boston beat writers said, on TV, that the players are all very tired.  </p>
<p>I agree with an earlier poster, that playing in europe would be better.  Plus they&#8217;re, what, 5-6 hours ahead of us here in Massachusetts which would be much easier to deal with than games starting at 6 am.  I thought I&#8217;d read that there was a french game called &#8220;theque&#8221; which was sort of their version of cricket and at least somewhat related to baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: Gomez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gomez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A good idea might be to do it in midseason, to push back the start of the season a couple days, and push the end of the season forward a couple days, so that you can give the teams in question a 4-6 day gap in the schedule where they could travel to Japan and play a 2 game series, in season, without creating this illogical situation and without exceptionally burdening them any more than you already would in having they play such a series, or taking away too many normal days off in the season schedule.

It would involve some schedule re-rigging, and to keep things consistent you may even have to lighten the game schedule for those first few and last few days for everyone else, but it could probably be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good idea might be to do it in midseason, to push back the start of the season a couple days, and push the end of the season forward a couple days, so that you can give the teams in question a 4-6 day gap in the schedule where they could travel to Japan and play a 2 game series, in season, without creating this illogical situation and without exceptionally burdening them any more than you already would in having they play such a series, or taking away too many normal days off in the season schedule.</p>
<p>It would involve some schedule re-rigging, and to keep things consistent you may even have to lighten the game schedule for those first few and last few days for everyone else, but it could probably be done.</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
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		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=caple_jim&amp;id=3312999&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Caple &lt;/a&gt; on the Japan series ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=caple_jim&amp;id=3312999" rel="nofollow">Caple </a> on the Japan series &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: zzyzx</title>
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		<dc:creator>zzyzx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main problem with these games is the Tokyo Dome.  How much foul territory does a stadium need?  It makes the stands of the Oakland Coliseum look close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main problem with these games is the Tokyo Dome.  How much foul territory does a stadium need?  It makes the stands of the Oakland Coliseum look close.</p>
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		<title>By: okobojicat</title>
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		<dc:creator>okobojicat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I wish they’d opened the season in London.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Paris. So much better.

Or even in Brisbane, and then made to play on an Australian Rules Football field. That would have been awesome. 

I did watch the game this morning live. Harden was fantastic. Arm angle reminded me of Peavy a little bit. If he is that good all year, the M&#039;s will be fighting might hard for second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I wish they’d opened the season in London.</p></blockquote>
<p>Paris. So much better.</p>
<p>Or even in Brisbane, and then made to play on an Australian Rules Football field. That would have been awesome. </p>
<p>I did watch the game this morning live. Harden was fantastic. Arm angle reminded me of Peavy a little bit. If he is that good all year, the M&#8217;s will be fighting might hard for second.</p>
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