Game 29, Mariners at Indians

DMZ · May 1, 2008 at 3:05 pm · Filed Under Mariners 

Batista v Byrd. 4:05.

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263 Responses to “Game 29, Mariners at Indians”

  1. profmac on May 1st, 2008 3:06 pm

    Let go Mariners! Let’s go!

  2. profmac on May 1st, 2008 3:07 pm

    I mean.. Let’s go Mariners! Let’s go! :)

  3. Sentinel on May 1st, 2008 3:08 pm

    Let’s hope Byrd is the fuel for our fire tonight.

    How about Clement? Is he starting?

  4. bucketsinsb on May 1st, 2008 3:12 pm

    Woo Hoo for Clement.

    Ouch for our bench.

  5. Sentinel on May 1st, 2008 3:12 pm

    Nevermind. I just answered my own question. Let’s go, JC!

  6. Ollie in Raleigh on May 1st, 2008 3:12 pm

    He’s our starting catcher and #7 hitter Sentinel.

  7. hub on May 1st, 2008 3:16 pm

    Vidro to start because of his ‘Matchup Success Against Byrd’ (per McLaren). Tango would be proud. /wink

  8. msb on May 1st, 2008 3:19 pm

    does Byrd continue his inexplicable early mastery against the Ms, or do last year’s results hold true?

  9. Sentinel on May 1st, 2008 3:21 pm

    Thanks, Ollie.

  10. seatownfan22 on May 1st, 2008 3:23 pm

    hopefully our young guns can do some damage.

  11. CecilFielderRules on May 1st, 2008 3:23 pm

    Thankfully the joy of seeing “J. Clement c” and “W. Balentien rf” outweighs the sadness of still seeing “J. Vidro dh”.

  12. msb on May 1st, 2008 3:33 pm

    Buzzie Bavasi has passed away at 93.

  13. Dan W on May 1st, 2008 3:39 pm

    Condolences to Bill and rest of the Bavasi clan.

  14. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 3:44 pm

    Condolences as well. A nice guy, knowledgeable of the game, but, unfortunately a primary influence on his son’s philosophy as General Manager.

    Good news in the short term: today is the start of a two-game winning streak.

    Good news in the long term: today is Day 2 for the Mariners’ newest phenoms. We get to watch potential become promise become burgeoning success become All-Star. Anything more is gravy, as they say.

  15. SpokaneMsFan on May 1st, 2008 3:46 pm

    Is Batista’s “groin injury” supposedly healed?

  16. IHaveALittleProject on May 1st, 2008 3:54 pm

    I imagine his “strained skillset” won’t really heal, a lot like Wilkerson’s…

  17. Dan W on May 1st, 2008 3:54 pm

    I’d love to get an expert’s take on what defensive impact can be expected from Clement’s presence at catcher. There must be an adjustment period, especially with a rookie catcher making his first major league start at that position. I’m guessing not too much with Batista tonight, but tomorrow in Yankee stadium catching Felix, I think we are adding some significant variables to the equation.

  18. SpokaneMsFan on May 1st, 2008 3:56 pm

    Tomorrow is Bedard

  19. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 4:02 pm

    17. Expect many attempts at stolen bases on the part of the Indians.

  20. jlc on May 1st, 2008 4:05 pm

    I’d think the rookie catcher thing would be more important with young relievers, especially if they’re not on their game.

  21. Dan W on May 1st, 2008 4:07 pm

    18 – I stand corrected. I forgot he was back in the rotation. Don’t know how I could make that mistake.

  22. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 4:08 pm

    Ichiro due for a 4 for 5 game any time soon.

  23. msb on May 1st, 2008 4:09 pm

    Ichiro due for a 4 for 5 game any time soon.

    someone did tell him it was now May, right?

  24. Vortex on May 1st, 2008 4:11 pm

    It’s bad enough they insist on getting Vidro in the lineup, but why 5th. Clement/Vidro need to switch spots in the batting order.

  25. Benne on May 1st, 2008 4:11 pm

    Why the fuck is Raul stealing?

  26. naviomelo on May 1st, 2008 4:12 pm

    What was that?

  27. IHaveALittleProject on May 1st, 2008 4:12 pm

    I hope Beltre missed the hit and run, or our players can’t possibly overcome this brilliant managerial strategery.

  28. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 4:12 pm

    WTF??? Who ever sent him should lose their job.

  29. joser on May 1st, 2008 4:13 pm

    Dear Raul: you know how you’re not as fast as you think you are in the outfield? Well, that applies on the basepaths too.

  30. IHaveALittleProject on May 1st, 2008 4:15 pm

    Vladimir Guererro eh?

  31. fetish on May 1st, 2008 4:15 pm

    Some new outfielder we have!

  32. Benne on May 1st, 2008 4:17 pm

    Just noticed that Hafner is moved down to the 6th spot.

    Indians fans, I feel your pain.

  33. IHaveALittleProject on May 1st, 2008 4:19 pm

    Batista walking guys – must be the lack of a veteran catcher and rhythm.

  34. Benne on May 1st, 2008 4:19 pm

    Dammit Blowers, it’s “Rays”, not “Devil Rays”.

  35. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 4:27 pm

    Since this whole “Professional” hitter thing isn’t working can we get some more amateur hitters please.

  36. JMHawkins on May 1st, 2008 4:28 pm

    Clement: 2PA, 2 Pitches seen…

    Hmmm. Guess he wasn’t with the club when Mac handed out his pitch count memo.

  37. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 4:30 pm

    To be fair to Clement they both looked like fastballs right down the pipe and he smoked one of them. I just hope he can take a few pitches if need be.

  38. robbbbbb on May 1st, 2008 4:35 pm

    Clement’s minor league record indicates that he can take pitches. If he’s jumping on first pitch fastballs and smoking them, that’s a good thing.

    Even Edgar Martinez, God of Plate Discipline, used to take a rip at the first pitch from time-to-time. Keeps pitchers honest.

  39. joser on May 1st, 2008 4:35 pm

    What has happened to Travis Hafner?

  40. forte40 on May 1st, 2008 4:37 pm

    I know the offensive upgrade Balentien over Wilkerson has been well established, what about defense? Is he actually an asset in the outfield now?

  41. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 4:37 pm

    There’s no better way to set up future nibbling than by being aggressive.

  42. Benne on May 1st, 2008 4:37 pm

    What has happened to Travis Hafner?

    The spike in LD% for this year tells me that his power is disappearing.

  43. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 4:39 pm

    What has happened to Travis Hafner?

    His line drives are up and they aren’t falling in. GBs and FBs are in line with his career number, but the FBs aren’t going for home runs. The drop in HR/FB last year too may mean that his power is gone.

  44. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 4:41 pm

    Hafner’s BABIP should be about a hundred points higher, but he’s not supposed to be a line drive hitter.

  45. Benne on May 1st, 2008 4:41 pm

    His line drives are up and they aren’t falling in. GBs and FBs are in line with his career number, but the FBs aren’t going for home runs. The drop in HR/FB last year too may mean that his power is gone.

    Another interesting thing to note is that his walk rate has dropped heavily from ‘05 and his strikeout rate took a big spike. So not only is his power gone, but so is his plate discipline.

  46. Pig on May 1st, 2008 4:45 pm

    Double Pump! Rizz almost popped an artery. I wish I was watching…

  47. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 4:46 pm

    Another interesting thing to note is that his walk rate has dropped heavily from ‘05 and his strikeout rate took a big spike. So not only is his power gone, but so is his plate discipline.

    It’s pretty strange for a player to go from a power hitter with good plate discipline to line drive hitter who strikes out a lot. You is what you is, as they say. The splits seem a little weird to me. His GBs spiked last year and have come back down, but his IFFBs have doubled. Maybe he’s just slumping. If so, those fly balls will start getting to the outfield and going over the fence.

  48. Pig on May 1st, 2008 4:47 pm

    Oops – I am shamed indeed. Love the auto-correction feature!

  49. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 4:48 pm

    The spike in LD% for this year tells me that his power is disappearing.

    Also, upon closer inspection, his line drives were at 21.2% in ‘06.

  50. scott19 on May 1st, 2008 4:48 pm

    someone did tell him it was now May, right?

    Yeah, Dave Sims just did…

    Which was alright, because it sounded like Rizzy was about to pee his pants over Byrd’s “old school” windup.

  51. Benne on May 1st, 2008 4:52 pm

    It’s pretty strange for a player to go from a power hitter with good plate discipline to line drive hitter who strikes out a lot. You is what you is, as they say. The splits seem a little weird to me. His GBs spiked last year and have come back down, but his IFFBs have doubled. Maybe he’s just slumping. If so, those fly balls will start getting to the outfield and going over the fence.

    Maybe it is just a slump, but all the red flags are there–Hafner will be 30 in a month, and has the classic “old player skills.” So if he really is losing his power and batting eye, then he’s going to fall off the cliff fast.

  52. Jack Howland on May 1st, 2008 4:53 pm

    Ichiro just passed Shannon Stewart with 1623 hits. He’s tied for #444 on the all time list with Don Money.

  53. wabbles on May 1st, 2008 4:54 pm

    Fun fact from last night: Wlad’s RBI total in one game: three. Wilkerson’s RBI total all season: five. (Three is 60 percent of five.)

  54. naviomelo on May 1st, 2008 4:55 pm

    Wow. 5 strikeouts already for Batista.

  55. Benne on May 1st, 2008 4:55 pm

    My sympathies go out to Bill and his family. RIP Buzzie.

  56. Pig on May 1st, 2008 4:56 pm

    Gotta love that ’secret weapon’! Any word on what it is?

  57. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 4:57 pm

    Maybe it is just a slump, but all the red flags are there–Hafner will be 30 in a month, and has the classic “old player skills.” So if he really is losing his power and batting eye, then he’s going to fall off the cliff fast.

    But the decline of old player skills hitters typically involves a more pronounced three-true-outcomes type profile. Bat speed goes, so the player cheats more (resulting in more Ks) and takes more walks. This player can still hit the ball over the fence, but can do so with fewer and fewer pitches. Hafner has a .394 career OBP, so I can’t imagine him all of the sudden forgetting how to draw walks.

  58. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 4:59 pm

    Fun fact from last night: Wlad’s RBI total in one game: three. Wilkerson’s RBI total all season: five. (Three is 60 percent of five.)

    Wlad is better than Wilkerson now and especially in the future, but that’s not why.

  59. joesuperdad on May 1st, 2008 5:00 pm

    The Cleveland broadcasters are making fun of Adrian for appealing to the first base umpire. The color commentator: “I’ve never seen a hitter do that.”

  60. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 5:01 pm

    Fucking Vidro, ruining our streak of 2 out singles. That is just selfish play right there.

  61. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 5:02 pm

    Fucking Vidro, ruining our streak of 2 out singles. That is just selfish play right there.

    One might even call such hitting unprofessional.

  62. scott19 on May 1st, 2008 5:02 pm

    Fun fact from last night: Wlad’s RBI total in one game: three. Wilkerson’s RBI total all season: five.

    Thought that was kinda funny, too.

  63. ghug on May 1st, 2008 5:04 pm

    You think our wonderful broadcasters could begin the inning with something other than “Our builtgreen.net score, there is no score?’

  64. joesuperdad on May 1st, 2008 5:04 pm

    Batista looks like he is letting go of the ball almost behind or next to his head. Has he always done this, or is this new release point some part of his new secret?
    The commentators are talking about the release point, and that without the arm extension you can’t get a good look and it could throw timing off.

  65. ghug on May 1st, 2008 5:06 pm

    Batista’s no hitter, ruined!

  66. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 5:06 pm

    Just the other day I was watching the Rockies and Todd Helton made a play on a ball exactly like that. I said to myself there is no way Richie makes that play, guess I was right.

  67. _David_ on May 1st, 2008 5:07 pm

    57. He hasn’t had a lot of time to adjust his approach, considering his skills seemed to have started tanking during last year.

  68. SequimRealEstate on May 1st, 2008 5:07 pm

    No hitter just broken up. Sad is it not?

  69. ghug on May 1st, 2008 5:07 pm

    That was awesome.

  70. _David_ on May 1st, 2008 5:07 pm

    Ichiro!

  71. naviomelo on May 1st, 2008 5:08 pm

    Ichiro!!!

  72. wlad on May 1st, 2008 5:08 pm

    great catch by ichiro

  73. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:08 pm

    Hopefully this isn’t the time that Pronk discovers how to hit again.

  74. ghug on May 1st, 2008 5:09 pm

    OMG, Batista nearly gave up 2 hits, we need to come out of the dugout to talk to him.

  75. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:09 pm

    Burned.

  76. ghug on May 1st, 2008 5:10 pm

    I totally take that back.

  77. _David_ on May 1st, 2008 5:10 pm

    Stupid line drive hitter! More power and that would’ve hooked foul.

  78. scott19 on May 1st, 2008 5:10 pm

    Uh-oh…hope we didn’t anger the baseball gods by wondering what happened to Hafner!

  79. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:11 pm

    Ichiro!!!

  80. ghug on May 1st, 2008 5:11 pm

    Whew!

  81. BurkeForPres on May 1st, 2008 5:12 pm

    Why, oh why, do people continue to run on Ichiro? Didn’t they learn yesterday?

  82. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 5:14 pm

    57. He hasn’t had a lot of time to adjust his approach, considering his skills seemed to have started tanking during last year.

    He managed to walk 102 times last year, so it seems like he’s adjusting to his hypothetical decline just fine. My point is that his numbers don’t line up in a way that says he’s undoubtedly over the hill. 2006 was his high-water mark, but I don’t think his current performance necessarily represents his current skill set.

  83. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:14 pm

    It’s okay to take a pitch, Clement.

  84. Ruuupe on May 1st, 2008 5:14 pm

    The Mariners seem to be trying hard to keep Byrd’s pitch count low.

  85. ghug on May 1st, 2008 5:18 pm

    I agree.

  86. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 5:20 pm

    The Mariners seem to be trying hard to keep Byrd’s pitch count low.

    The poor guy’s 37 and has, by now, figured out that HGH isn’t going to work, so a little mercy is in order.

  87. msb on May 1st, 2008 5:21 pm

    in the Battle of The Crap Offenses, I think the indians may be winning.

  88. ghug on May 1st, 2008 5:22 pm

    87 – Batista looks good though.

  89. bunk_medal on May 1st, 2008 5:22 pm

    Someone should tell the Indians’ announcers that Barcelona is in Spain, not Brazil.

  90. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:28 pm

    Thumbs down for the attempted hit-and-run. Thumbs up for not attempting it with Raul again.

  91. Ruuupe on May 1st, 2008 5:28 pm

    Is that really a Mariner I see on second base?

  92. SpokaneMsFan on May 1st, 2008 5:31 pm

    So I guess the plate discipline approach was just the theme for April then?

  93. Ruuupe on May 1st, 2008 5:31 pm

    And another 12-pitch inning for Byrd.

  94. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:32 pm

    Wow, Blake really dug that ball out of the ground.

  95. planB on May 1st, 2008 5:37 pm

    The Cleveland broadcasters are making fun of Adrian for appealing to the first base umpire. The color commentator: “I’ve never seen a hitter do that.”

    I really like Beltre, but I wish he’d quit doing that. It’s embarassing.

  96. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 5:42 pm

    Didn’t the Ms watch the playoffs last year? Byrd beat the Yankees, because they were aggressive early in the count. The Red Sox, though, waited him out and made him look like the mediocre back of the rotation guy he is. He wants you to put his stuff in play, because he sure as hell isn’t going to strike too many batters out.

  97. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:44 pm

    Byrd has thrown, what, 30 pitches this game?

  98. Ruuupe on May 1st, 2008 5:44 pm

    Just 9 pitches this inning. He was throwing strikes to Sexson, though.

  99. NBarnes on May 1st, 2008 5:47 pm

    What’s Sexson going to do? Hit it? Hah.

  100. msb on May 1st, 2008 5:48 pm

    sigh.

    to answer my own question, I think the Ms are back to being inexplicably baffled by Byrd.

  101. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:49 pm

    Hafner: “I’m going to draw a walk now just to prove Benne wrong! (sticks out tongue)”

  102. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:50 pm

    Beltre’d!

  103. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 5:51 pm

    Mr. Amazing!

  104. NBarnes on May 1st, 2008 5:51 pm

    Beltre shows off his Gold Glove qualifications.

  105. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 5:54 pm

    A pitchers’ duel between Miguel Batista and Paul Byrd? Both lineups oughtta be ashamed of themselves.

  106. msb on May 1st, 2008 5:56 pm

    woohoo! a walk!

  107. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:56 pm

    We have a Boom Boom sighting. I take it Johjima will be catching now?

  108. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 5:57 pm

    Hooray for plate discipline. Maybe Clement will have an effect like Fukudome in Chicago.

  109. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 5:57 pm

    Starting now.

  110. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 5:57 pm

    Willie planning on getting thrown out by 3 feet again? Hoping for a lucky call.

  111. red_devil20 on May 1st, 2008 5:57 pm

    Maybe it’s just me, but shouldn’t we use Cairo to run here, in case we have to replace an outfielder later?

  112. Benne on May 1st, 2008 5:58 pm

    Damn, Wlad took some ugly hacks there.

  113. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 5:59 pm

    Wlad bunt? Way to know your players Mac.

  114. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 6:00 pm

    Why pinch run if your not going to run? Clement can stand on first just fine on his own.

  115. BlazerD on May 1st, 2008 6:01 pm

    Wlad definitely took a couple of nasty hacks. Great to see some plate discipline by Clement though. Can’t wait to see him uncorked.

  116. BlazerD on May 1st, 2008 6:04 pm

    You knew that was going to happen.

  117. Benne on May 1st, 2008 6:04 pm

    God, I hate stealing with 2 outs in a high-leverage situation.

  118. DKCecil on May 1st, 2008 6:04 pm

    Great job Princess

  119. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 6:05 pm

    McLaren sucks at calling steals.

  120. lylepdx on May 1st, 2008 6:05 pm

    Say what you want about WFB, but damn it’s nice to have a guy like that running the base paths. it just creates so many opportunities for us!

  121. mln on May 1st, 2008 6:06 pm

    William Bloomquist, Pinch Runner Extraordinaire, with the caught stealing!

  122. BringUpBalentien on May 1st, 2008 6:06 pm

    Wow…how do you spell rally killer?
    WFB?
    Out by 10 feet?
    Jeez…

  123. Ruuupe on May 1st, 2008 6:06 pm

    So who will replace Clement? Johjima? He probably won’t get to bat as it is.

  124. Axtell on May 1st, 2008 6:06 pm

    wtf? Why are you stealing second with 2 outs and Ichiro up?

  125. Ruuupe on May 1st, 2008 6:14 pm

    You know, for a 1-0 game, this sure is not very exciting.

  126. nickpdx on May 1st, 2008 6:14 pm

    I’m pretty sure the graphic they just showed had Sizemore in 3-2 counts as 1-8 with a HR and 8 BB. By my maths that is about a .500 OBP.

    Sims describes this as: “not efficient.”

  127. tau1624 on May 1st, 2008 6:15 pm

    I love how Blowers said it was smart to run Willie because it didn’t matter if he got thrown out since Ichiro would lead off the 9th…. No understanding of run expectancy at all…

  128. msb on May 1st, 2008 6:15 pm

    btw, Burke is catching tomorrow, per McLaren

  129. tau1624 on May 1st, 2008 6:16 pm

    Hopefully that means Clement will be the DH and not Vidro…

  130. Benne on May 1st, 2008 6:17 pm

    btw, Burke is catching tomorrow, per McLaren

    So, Clement at DH then? I hope so…

  131. Benne on May 1st, 2008 6:18 pm

    Don’t make Jose bunt, don’t make Jose bunt…

  132. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:18 pm

    Betancourt is uncomfortable with being a closer. That is not his role, says Eric Wedge.

    Advantage: Mariners.

  133. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 6:18 pm

    Lopez bunt…

  134. naviomelo on May 1st, 2008 6:19 pm

    Cleveland could have had Perez face Ichiro there, but I guess the “closer mentality” means that they had to use Betancourt for the entire inning!

  135. mln on May 1st, 2008 6:19 pm

    Ichiro on first in the ninth. Lopez at the plate. This situations sounds familiar….

  136. Ruuupe on May 1st, 2008 6:20 pm

    Betancourt is uncomfortable with being a closer.

    Well the Mariners seem to be uncomfortable hitting. So I guess it evens out.

  137. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:20 pm

    If he decides to steal, it is better to steal with 1 or 2 strikes on Lopez.

  138. Zero Gravitas on May 1st, 2008 6:20 pm

    Just saw this on the box score refresh on my computer. Please tell me Lopez isn’t bunting here. Or I am going to be very upset.

  139. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 6:21 pm

    Earn some U’s!

  140. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:22 pm

    1 out and a LHB up to bat – not a good time to steal.

  141. tau1624 on May 1st, 2008 6:24 pm

    Which means he will probably get sent…

  142. tau1624 on May 1st, 2008 6:24 pm

    Which means he will probably get sent…

  143. tau1624 on May 1st, 2008 6:24 pm

    Which means he will probably get sent…

  144. tau1624 on May 1st, 2008 6:24 pm

    That helps…

  145. G-Man on May 1st, 2008 6:24 pm

    Finally, down to second.

  146. Benne on May 1st, 2008 6:24 pm

    At least the double play is off now.

  147. LA M's Fan on May 1st, 2008 6:25 pm

    moot.

  148. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:25 pm

    now steal 3rd! Ibby can get the ball in the air.

  149. Benne on May 1st, 2008 6:26 pm

    Hooray for crappy defense!

  150. Ruuupe on May 1st, 2008 6:26 pm

    OK, I take it back. This inning is actually interesting.

  151. DKCecil on May 1st, 2008 6:26 pm

    Oh to be lucky.

  152. G-Man on May 1st, 2008 6:26 pm

    Man, I was going to suggest looking to steal …

  153. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:27 pm

    what happened?

  154. G-Man on May 1st, 2008 6:29 pm

    …but I wasn’t going to suggest he go unless he was pretty confident. But whatever, it worked out.

  155. Sports on a Schtick on May 1st, 2008 6:30 pm

    Bwahahahahah! Screw your shutout Cleveland.

  156. naviomelo on May 1st, 2008 6:30 pm

    Ichiro tried to steal 3rd, the throw was going to be in time but Blake tried to apply the tag before he had the ball. The ball glanced off his glove and went down the LF line, and Ichiro was able to score.

  157. derubino on May 1st, 2008 6:30 pm

    Wow, it must suck to be watching this game as a Cleveland fan right now. Wild pitch, “steal”, error. Haha.

  158. red_devil20 on May 1st, 2008 6:30 pm

    Offense, thy name is Ichiro. As you go, it goes.

  159. G-Man on May 1st, 2008 6:31 pm

    Ichi tried to steal, lloked like he would have been out, but Blake tried to snatch the throw too quickly and it went by him. Ichi scored.

  160. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 6:31 pm

    When did Borowski get off the DL?

  161. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:31 pm

    You can’t make that suggestion. Ichiro is God in these parts.

  162. Benne on May 1st, 2008 6:32 pm

    Stop swinging at Ball 4 Turbo.

  163. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:32 pm

    thank you naviomela and G-man.

  164. _David_ on May 1st, 2008 6:32 pm

    Isn’t it less useful to attempt to steal with two strikes and two outs? A runner will be successful a certain percentage of the time, but a pickoff or pitch-out has a negative affect on their chances. Since two strikes decreases number of outcomes that can result in the runner stealing or being out , while the chances of a pitch-out or pickoff remain the same, doesn’t having two strikes and two outs increase the chance of the runner being out because the chances of a pitch-out/pickoff are now larger in relation to the chance of a runner successfully stealing a base? Maybe it’s too small to make a difference, but in situations where the defense is protecting against a steal, it could be important.

  165. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:33 pm

    The demand for Putz increases with every Cleveland blown save.

  166. red_devil20 on May 1st, 2008 6:34 pm

    Can Bavasi call a mulligan and DFA vidro and recall Norton? Is that allowed in the CBA?

  167. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 6:36 pm

    Grit R Done Rhodes!

  168. _David_ on May 1st, 2008 6:37 pm

    Can someone tell me what the purpose of DFAing someone is? Couldn’t you just trade, demote or release someone without first giving yourself a time limit. I feel really stupid asking this but I don’t know the exact rule/reasoning.

  169. naviomelo on May 1st, 2008 6:37 pm

    Leaving in Rhodes vs. Martinez?

  170. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:39 pm

    David, I’m sure there are a lot of variables to consider and you’ve hit on a couple. My thinking is that where a count makes it more likely for the pitcher to throw a ball (such as with 1 or 2 strikes), the increased likelihood of a ball that is not easy to catch (and throw) increases and the runner has a better chance of stealing.

  171. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 6:41 pm

    naviomelo- Martinez is a switch hitter.

  172. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:41 pm

    what is a better option, naviomelo? I’m sincerely asking.

    although it is against The Book, I prefer to use your best pitcher in a tie game. Putz pitching the 10th and possible 11th gives the team 2 more innings to get a run.

  173. confess on May 1st, 2008 6:42 pm

    167-

    Takes the player off the roster immediately so they can be replaced, then the team has ten days to figure out how to handle the player. Team is still on the hook for the contract.

  174. vin on May 1st, 2008 6:43 pm

    A player who is designated for assignment is immediately removed from the 40-man roster. This gives the team time to decide what to do with the player while freeing up a roster spot for another transaction, if needed. Once a player is designated for assignment, the team has ten days to do one of the following things: the player can be traded, the player can be released, or the player can be put on waivers and, provided he clears, outrighted to the minors. A player who is outrighted to the minors is removed from the 40-man roster but is still paid according to the terms of his guaranteed contract. A player can only be outrighted once in his career without his consent.

  175. naviomelo on May 1st, 2008 6:45 pm

    My mistake. I didn’t realize I was only looking at Martinez’s splits for 2008.

  176. strong silence on May 1st, 2008 6:45 pm

    Has anyone noticed that Hafner’s OPS decreased from 2006 to 2007 and his OPS thus far in 2008 is below that of 2007?

    What gives?

  177. red_devil20 on May 1st, 2008 6:45 pm

    Sweet. Sexson, Joh, and Wlad. I guess we’re hoping for a two out rally.

  178. JMHawkins on May 1st, 2008 6:46 pm

    Good time for #300, Richie…

  179. normstradamus on May 1st, 2008 6:50 pm

    DICK SEXSON!!! Can we please stop riding this guy? Let’s not do what we did to Shaun Alexander.

  180. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 6:52 pm

    Sexson, you old bastard!

  181. BigJared on May 1st, 2008 6:55 pm

    Damn!
    That looked like legit bat speed from Sexy Dick. Been quite some time.
    Perhaps there is still hope. Uncle Lee can fix anything fixable, just give him time.

  182. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 6:56 pm

    Let’s see if JJ can throw a strike.

  183. normstradamus on May 1st, 2008 6:57 pm

    I propose a 1 month ban on Richie bashing. He has earned it.

  184. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 6:59 pm

    So far, so good.

  185. profmac on May 1st, 2008 7:00 pm

    How about two games.. I can probably do two games. One month is a long time.

  186. BlazerD on May 1st, 2008 7:02 pm

    Wish we wouldn’t have put in Princess to pinch run.

  187. Sentinel on May 1st, 2008 7:02 pm

    DICK SEXSON!!! Can we please stop riding this guy? Let’s not do what we did to Shaun Alexander.

    Shaun did a lot more for Seattle sports than Sexson, in my opinion.

    Great blast by the big guy, though.

  188. Sentinel on May 1st, 2008 7:03 pm

    And who was it that called that 4-for-5 night from Ichiro!. You were damn close.

  189. normstradamus on May 1st, 2008 7:03 pm

    No question, Shaun is in the top five Seattle athletes of all time. Easy.

  190. PaulMolitorCocktail on May 1st, 2008 7:04 pm

    I smell karma.

  191. jlc on May 1st, 2008 7:05 pm

    Love what Sexson did there, but it’s not worth more than a week.

  192. Sentinel on May 1st, 2008 7:05 pm

    Finish it, JJ!

  193. ndrfx on May 1st, 2008 7:05 pm

    What’s up with JJ? Velocity is down, can’t throw a strike…I am getting concerned.

  194. Benne on May 1st, 2008 7:05 pm

    Son of a bitch.

  195. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 7:07 pm

    JJ must have been reviewing some old Bobby Ayala tapes while he was on the DL.

  196. PaulMolitorCocktail on May 1st, 2008 7:07 pm

    Why don’t we have infielders like Asdrubal Cabrera in our org?

    Oh wait…

  197. jlc on May 1st, 2008 7:08 pm

    Pitcher’s best friend, please.

  198. normstradamus on May 1st, 2008 7:10 pm

    COME

    On

    GUY!

  199. hawgdriver on May 1st, 2008 7:15 pm

    C’mon, JJ, find your mojo. Fight through it baby.

  200. PaulMolitorCocktail on May 1st, 2008 7:15 pm

    Dear Joel Skinner,

    Please make another stupid call like last year.

    Your pal,

    PMC

  201. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 7:16 pm

    BS number 2, but it could have been worse.

  202. JMHawkins on May 1st, 2008 7:17 pm

    JJ ain’t right. Isn’t Norm supposed to notice stuff like that when he’s warming up?

  203. vitalogist on May 1st, 2008 7:18 pm

    188: NOT A CHANCE. Shaun had what, 1 1/2 good seasons?

    here are just a few off the top of my head that have meant more!

    1. edgar
    2. griffey
    3. the glove
    4. nate mcmillan
    5. largent
    6. hasselbeck

  204. profmac on May 1st, 2008 7:18 pm

    I am sick of watching JJ Putz blow leads. I was there last Friday where he almost blew a four run lead, and now this. I wish Morrow had stayed in there. Walk in the tying run… you have to be freaking kidding me.

  205. Sentinel on May 1st, 2008 7:19 pm

    We can’t waste big home runs from Richie. They don’t come that often anymore.

  206. profmac on May 1st, 2008 7:19 pm

    I’m sorry.. it was Saturday. Oh, and I was there for the second game where he blew the lead. I think I might just be bad luck to him. What has happened to him?

  207. Karen on May 1st, 2008 7:19 pm

    From what I was seeing on MLB.com’s GameDay, it looked like Putz needed to warm up a little longer in the bullpen. Either that, or it’s still February weather in Cleveland.

    Oh, well, by the time the inning ended, his pitching looked hot…

  208. normstradamus on May 1st, 2008 7:21 pm

    202: Shaun Alexander is 13th on the All-time Touchdown list. Reggie Miller is 13th on the NBA scoring list, MICKEY MANTLE on the alltime hr list. Give me a break. Shaun is way better then Hasslebeck and mcmillian

  209. Ollie in Raleigh on May 1st, 2008 7:21 pm

    Indeed, much worse Rick L…GO M’s!

  210. profmac on May 1st, 2008 7:22 pm

    So.. who do you think they’ll bring out next inning?

  211. hawgdriver on May 1st, 2008 7:22 pm

    Well, JJ’s back, but he’s obviously not back. Damn this is a good game. Bring out Beltre the sketchy masseuse for the happy ending.

  212. naviomelo on May 1st, 2008 7:25 pm

    Nick Adenhart making his ML debut against Oakland right now.

  213. Lefebvre Belebvre on May 1st, 2008 7:26 pm

    Any idiot who thinks Alexander is not one of the Top 10 athletes in Seattle pro sports history needs his “fan license” revoked. Maybe not the toughest runner of all-time.

    Perhaps there’s a reason the person who wrote he sucked is on a baseball blog.

  214. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 7:26 pm

    How many really good starts have the M’s pitchers had that didn’t result in the starting pitcher not getting a win? Too many would be the answer.

  215. msb on May 1st, 2008 7:27 pm

    sigh. so JJ struggled in his outing saturday, mostly due to the long lay-off.

    He then sat for another 5 days.

  216. vin on May 1st, 2008 7:29 pm

    If that was a fastball it would have been a strike. That’s where the two that the Cleveland announcers were complaining about were.

  217. WSULeifJ on May 1st, 2008 7:30 pm

    Shaun Alexander was a great, great Seahawk.

    But calling him “way better” than Hasselbeck is silly, and shows no regard for how much harder it is to be a great quarterback than great running back.

  218. profmac on May 1st, 2008 7:30 pm

    What the hell is he doing.. goes 0-2 and then six straight balls?

  219. normstradamus on May 1st, 2008 7:30 pm

    [this is not a board]

  220. profmac on May 1st, 2008 7:32 pm

    This team frustrates me to no end. They seem to be finding a way to lose each of these games…. UURGGGGHHH!!!

  221. HamNasty on May 1st, 2008 7:32 pm

    Looks like we get to play bases loaded 1 out again… I am assuming they IBB to get them loaded.

  222. vin on May 1st, 2008 7:32 pm

    Adam Jones wouldn’t have gotten to that.

  223. PaulMolitorCocktail on May 1st, 2008 7:33 pm

    218, that’s “John Clayton, Dammit!” to you

  224. drjeff on May 1st, 2008 7:34 pm

    Curious… why would you not walk this guy to set up the double play?

  225. drjeff on May 1st, 2008 7:34 pm

    Never mind.

  226. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 7:34 pm

    Brian Bannister on the importance of throwing strikes and getting ahead of the hitter:

    Question to myself: Does a hitter have the same BABIP in a 2-1 count that he does in an 0-2, 1-2, or 2-2 count? How does his batting average and OBP/SLG/OPS differ when he has two strikes on him vs zero or one strike?

    These are the type of questions that I will come up with and employ in my starts to see if I can improve my outings. For example, here are my career numbers in the counts mentioned above:

    2-1: .380 (19/50)
    1-2: .196 (20/102)
    2-2: .171 (18/105)
    0-2: .057 (3/53)

  227. profmac on May 1st, 2008 7:34 pm

    DP, DP, DP, DP, DP, DP, Dp, DP, DP, DP, DP, DP, DP…

  228. Jake on May 1st, 2008 7:35 pm

    Because they’d rather get him 1-2 and hit him instead.

  229. Benne on May 1st, 2008 7:35 pm

    I really want to step outside for a smoke, but I don’t want to miss a single pitch either. This turned out to be a pretty good game.

  230. jlc on May 1st, 2008 7:36 pm

    On nights like this, I hate baseball. Sigh.

  231. jlc on May 1st, 2008 7:39 pm

    The good news is that the Angels are losing. However, the bad news is, that means the A’s are winning (4-0).

  232. PaulMolitorCocktail on May 1st, 2008 7:39 pm

    A double extra-large to go?

  233. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 7:39 pm

    How frustrating would it be for Cleveland fans to have the bases loaded twice in a tie game and not score?

  234. profmac on May 1st, 2008 7:40 pm

    I am really starting to think that my heart can’t take this… seriously.

  235. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 7:40 pm

    Never mind. The bull pen sucks.

  236. vin on May 1st, 2008 7:41 pm

    Is the Indians “we just won” song This Is Our Country, seriously?

  237. hawgdriver on May 1st, 2008 7:44 pm

    That’s a tough one to swallow.

  238. profmac on May 1st, 2008 7:45 pm

    That’s two losses, almost three, already this season, purely because of JJ Putz. How frustrating. If he keeps it up what do you think they’ll do?

  239. Ollie in Raleigh on May 1st, 2008 7:45 pm

    puke

  240. mariners23 on May 1st, 2008 7:48 pm

    When the season started I was thinking “man, i don’t think this team is ever gonna lose a game” now it’s more like “wow I wonder who is gonna blow the game tonight” or “I don’t think i should watch the game, I’ll just get pissed off”

  241. Benne on May 1st, 2008 7:53 pm

    Meh. We got owned by Paul friggin’ Byrd. We didn’t deserve to win this game.

  242. Lefebvre Belebvre on May 1st, 2008 7:53 pm

    Please add Mark Lowe to the long list of graduates of the “Seattle Mariner School of Being a Good Prospect who CAN NOT handle The Show!”

    Mark Lowe
    Eric O’Flarhety
    Travis Blakely
    Clint Nageotte
    Ryan Anderson

    Anyone have some others?

  243. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 7:57 pm

    In all of this drama, we shouldn’t overlook Vidro’s 0-4 performance.

    Clement did okay as a catcher, from what I saw, which wasn’t the whole game.

  244. Lefebvre Belebvre on May 1st, 2008 7:58 pm

    Crazy thing. The Angels just came back from a 4 run deficit.

    Your Seattle Mariners….Viva La Suck

    So what now? We called up our two best offensive ready propects…..Our starting pitching is one of the best in the AL……

    What else can the organization do? Maybe trade for the Angels AAA team that started the season 21-1?

  245. Rick L on May 1st, 2008 8:04 pm

    Quick. Tampa Bay is in first place!

  246. marinerfaninpdx on May 1st, 2008 8:18 pm

    Someone remind me why we were supposed to be glad when McClaren took over for Grover?

    1 and freaking 8 in one run games!!!

    Fine, Putz sucked through the first part of the 10th, but then he gets it together for two great strike outs to end the inning. So of course, take him out and put in Mark Lowe. Way to read the momentum of the game, Micky.

    It must take a lifetime in baseball to come up with such brilliant managing.

  247. DAK on May 1st, 2008 8:49 pm

    Free Jeremy Reed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Reed with another HR tonight for Tacoma:

    .385 4HR 16 Rbi’s 1.100 OPS

    2008 Jeremy Reed = 2003 Scott Podsednik minus Speed ?

    Lineup:

    CF Ichiro
    2B Lopez
    DH Ibanez
    3B Beltre
    C Clement
    1B Sexson
    RF Balentien
    LF Reed
    SS Betancourt

  248. naviomelo on May 1st, 2008 8:53 pm

    Reed in LF improves our OF defense. Everyone knows that 1.100 OPS isn’t sustainable, but I’m sure his bat would be some kind of upgrade over Vidro’s.

  249. Mike G. on May 1st, 2008 9:19 pm

    Y’know, JJ kind of came out of nowhere. It would be kind of fitting if (not saying he is though) he just fell off a cliff.

  250. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 9:46 pm

    Crazy thing. The Angels just came back from a 4 run deficit.

    And then they fell behind by nine. Funny, who’d of thought that having a pitcher make his major league debut as a starter on three days rest was anything other than an inspired idea?

  251. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 9:50 pm

    This game should a be slump-breaker for Jack Cust. His line is already better, if no less bizarre than before: .211/.417/.338.

  252. eponymous coward on May 1st, 2008 9:53 pm

    1 and freaking 8 in one run games!!!

    Go look at this year’s Pythag record. Compare and contrast to last year. Karma’s a bitch.

    Fine, Putz sucked through the first part of the 10th, but then he gets it together for two great strike outs to end the inning. So of course, take him out and put in Mark Lowe. Way to read the momentum of the game, Micky.

    You did notice how many pitches Putz threw that inning, right? And that his fastball velocity was down to 94 from his usual 96-98, and he couldn’t spot it (he was K’ing guys off of his split when he got a feel for it later in the inning)? Why would you think that the best way to handle someone looking a bit shaky off an injury is to REALLY overwork him?

  253. paulkersey on May 1st, 2008 9:58 pm

    Why would you think that the best way to handle someone looking a bit shaky off an injury is to REALLY overwork him?

    That’s the Dusty Baker/Billy Martin approach.

  254. jspektor on May 1st, 2008 10:09 pm

    boy – i really feel bad for the M’s … they really can’t get the job done. I hope Johnny Mac threw the post game food table or something…

  255. joser on May 1st, 2008 10:41 pm

    The number of high leverage at-bats in the last couple of innings of this game was just craaaaazy.

  256. joser on May 1st, 2008 10:53 pm

    Weird fact:
    That wasn’t just Sexson’s 300th HR, it was also his 100th in a Seattle uniform. Despite sucking for over a year, he reached 100 HRs in just 463 games, fewer games than any other Mariner. It took ARod 470 games to hit 100 homers.

    Also– outfield assist leaderboard, all players since 2001: Vlad 74, Beltran 73, Ichiro 70.

  257. marinerfaninpdx on May 1st, 2008 11:10 pm

    Why would you think that the best way to handle someone looking a bit shaky off an injury is to REALLY overwork him?

    You’re rignt , they should have put in Mark Lowe. He’s so much more proven. Sorry, just don’t buy into the belief that playing a good pitcher more that one inning is OVERWORKING him just because he’s struggled. Yeah, he looked shakey, and then he buckled down and got results.

    Regardless, I’m sure we both them to win, I just get frustrated with managers using the revolving door of the bullpen so much.

  258. JMHawkins on May 1st, 2008 11:32 pm

    Y’know, JJ kind of came out of nowhere

    He didn’t come out of nowhere. He learned to throw a really good splitter.

  259. John D. on May 2nd, 2008 12:33 am

    Re: #s 121, 122, 124, 127

    William Bloomquist, Pinch Runner Extraordinaire…!

    Weren’t you folks listening when McLaren said that we’re going to run ourselves out of more innings than we did last
    year ?
    (Something like that.)

    BTW, according to MB, Willie’s CS was the mother of “productive outs.”

  260. gwangung on May 2nd, 2008 8:46 am

    Sorry, just don’t buy into the belief that playing a good pitcher more that one inning is OVERWORKING him just because he’s struggled.

    However, I can certainly belive playing a good pitcher more than one inning is overworking him because he’s coming back from injury.

  261. joser on May 2nd, 2008 10:48 am

    Hey, it could be worse. You could lead the entire game and then have your closer give up 3 runs in the 9th (in part due to misplays in the outfield) and end up losing 4-3, like the Cubs did against the Brewers. Not surprisingly, Lou didn’t take that well.

    Start to uncomfortable finish, manager Lou Piniella’s postgame news conference Thursday lasted all of one minute — depending on whether you count the string of profanities he uttered marching down the dreary hallway to the Cubs’ clubhouse.

    A question focusing on whether Piniella thought about shifting slick-fielding center fielder Reed Johnson to left — in place of fresh-off-the-disabled-list Alfonso Soriano — when he inserted defensive sub Felix Pie in center during the eighth inning lit Piniella’s short fuse.

    ”You’re damn right I thought about it,” Piniella said, his voice rising. ”You think I’m stupid or something? God … darn it. Thought. All right. Thanks.”

    End of news conference.

    As Piniella stormed away, the profanities he contained while in front of the cameras came spilling out.

  262. galaxieboi on May 2nd, 2008 1:41 pm

    Please add Mark Lowe to the long list of graduates of the “Seattle Mariner School of Being a Good Prospect who CAN NOT handle The Show!”

    When the season started I was thinking “man, i don’t think this team is ever gonna lose a game” now it’s more like “wow I wonder who is gonna blow the game tonight” or “I don’t think i should watch the game, I’ll just get pissed off”

    Some of you need to get a grip on baseball reality. If you really were THAT jacked up about the M’s at the beginning of the year then…oof.

    First off, Ryan Anderson never “made it at THE SHOW!!!!1111″ because he was injured. EOF and Lowe are good pitchers. It’s baseball, man, not the NFL. These guys play 162 games. 162. There are going to be peaks and valleys. Mark Lowe is not going play terrible all year (barring an injury), just like Ichiro isn’t going to bat .260.

  263. hark on May 2nd, 2008 1:43 pm

    [also off-topic]

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