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	<title>Comments on: Service Time Ethics</title>
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		<title>By: Milendriel</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/01/service-time-ethics/comment-page-5/#comment-266184</link>
		<dc:creator>Milendriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Rather than being vilified, I applaud them for their stance.&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m glad you haven&#039;t been vilified, Dave. Might want to reposition those pronouns. &gt;&lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Rather than being vilified, I applaud them for their stance.</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you haven&#8217;t been vilified, Dave. Might want to reposition those pronouns. &gt;&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: MedicineHat</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/01/service-time-ethics/comment-page-5/#comment-266149</link>
		<dc:creator>MedicineHat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 22:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tonight against Wang we get Balentien in RF, Burke behind the plate and Clement at DH. 

Yankees counter with Alberto Gonzalez at SS, &amp; Shelley Duncan at 1B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonight against Wang we get Balentien in RF, Burke behind the plate and Clement at DH. </p>
<p>Yankees counter with Alberto Gonzalez at SS, &amp; Shelley Duncan at 1B.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/01/service-time-ethics/comment-page-5/#comment-266062</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You’re ignoring something called “good faith.” Rights granted by one party to another must still be exercised in good faith.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve long held that such a thing doesn&#039;t exist, but I&#039;ve been known to deny the existence of implication and connotation, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You’re ignoring something called “good faith.” Rights granted by one party to another must still be exercised in good faith.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve long held that such a thing doesn&#8217;t exist, but I&#8217;ve been known to deny the existence of implication and connotation, too.</p>
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		<title>By: vj</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/01/service-time-ethics/comment-page-5/#comment-266059</link>
		<dc:creator>vj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;starting the season with Clement and Wlad in &lt;strong&gt;Tackytown&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tacoma is nicer than you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>starting the season with Clement and Wlad in <strong>Tackytown</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Tacoma is nicer than you think.</p>
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		<title>By: DoesntCompute</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/01/service-time-ethics/comment-page-4/#comment-266054</link>
		<dc:creator>DoesntCompute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 06:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Man, I really hope you found a new job.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I needed the job as I was the sole provider for my family.  I ended up calling corporate headquarters and got a hold of the head of HR for the place.  She said she would look into my story.  Five minutes later I get a call from my boss asking if I would be in on Sunday.  I said yes and he hung up.  I started looking for another job on Monday and found one soon after.

That is the only job I&#039;ve ever quit without notice and it felt soooooo good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Man, I really hope you found a new job.</p></blockquote>
<p>I needed the job as I was the sole provider for my family.  I ended up calling corporate headquarters and got a hold of the head of HR for the place.  She said she would look into my story.  Five minutes later I get a call from my boss asking if I would be in on Sunday.  I said yes and he hung up.  I started looking for another job on Monday and found one soon after.</p>
<p>That is the only job I&#8217;ve ever quit without notice and it felt soooooo good.</p>
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		<title>By: JMHawkins</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/01/service-time-ethics/comment-page-4/#comment-266040</link>
		<dc:creator>JMHawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 04:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;It’s not ethical because it is legal. It’s ethical because Clement consented.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re ignoring something called &quot;good faith.&quot;  Rights granted by one party to another must still be exercised in good faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>It’s not ethical because it is legal. It’s ethical because Clement consented.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re ignoring something called &#8220;good faith.&#8221;  Rights granted by one party to another must still be exercised in good faith.</p>
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		<title>By: Teej</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/01/service-time-ethics/comment-page-4/#comment-266034</link>
		<dc:creator>Teej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I took vacation for the time we thought she would deliver but when I called to say they couldn’t induce my wife until the day I was supposed to go back to work they said if I wasn’t at work, I would be fired.&lt;/em&gt;

Man, I really hope you found a new job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I took vacation for the time we thought she would deliver but when I called to say they couldn’t induce my wife until the day I was supposed to go back to work they said if I wasn’t at work, I would be fired.</em></p>
<p>Man, I really hope you found a new job.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Nye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Nye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? How ethically you treat someone should be determined by whether they make a lot of money or not?

The relative income of two sets of people in a situation don&#039;t have any bearing on ethical questions; neither does the contractual agreement but I&#039;ve beaten that horse to death already. Either you get it by now, or you don&#039;t.

As far as &quot;undisclosed toxic waste&quot; goes, my example was meant solely as an example to help illustrate that legal and ethical don&#039;t always mean the same thing. I was in no way attempting to pretend the two situations were equivalent in their potential consequences.

That&#039;s always the hazard of using examples and analogies; people completely ignore their instructive purpose and pick apart the specifics, which are only meant to be illustrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? How ethically you treat someone should be determined by whether they make a lot of money or not?</p>
<p>The relative income of two sets of people in a situation don&#8217;t have any bearing on ethical questions; neither does the contractual agreement but I&#8217;ve beaten that horse to death already. Either you get it by now, or you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>As far as &#8220;undisclosed toxic waste&#8221; goes, my example was meant solely as an example to help illustrate that legal and ethical don&#8217;t always mean the same thing. I was in no way attempting to pretend the two situations were equivalent in their potential consequences.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s always the hazard of using examples and analogies; people completely ignore their instructive purpose and pick apart the specifics, which are only meant to be illustrative.</p>
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		<title>By: Illex Squid</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/01/service-time-ethics/comment-page-4/#comment-265873</link>
		<dc:creator>Illex Squid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CCW- brilliant as usual. :-)

I&#039;d just like to point out that the negotiators of the CBA are hardly paragons of ethics, so it is difficult to see subverting their wishes as unethical. It has been argued many times before, including here, that baseball&#039;s compensation system is riddled with unfairness, so restricting ethics arguments to compliance with the spirit of the CBA is perhaps a bit out-of-touch.

That being said, I think the greater lapse in ethics was starting the season with Clement and Wlad in Tackytown. Glad to see them at last where they belong. And I hope this augurs an era of better Mariners decision-making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCW- brilliant as usual. <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;d just like to point out that the negotiators of the CBA are hardly paragons of ethics, so it is difficult to see subverting their wishes as unethical. It has been argued many times before, including here, that baseball&#8217;s compensation system is riddled with unfairness, so restricting ethics arguments to compliance with the spirit of the CBA is perhaps a bit out-of-touch.</p>
<p>That being said, I think the greater lapse in ethics was starting the season with Clement and Wlad in Tackytown. Glad to see them at last where they belong. And I hope this augurs an era of better Mariners decision-making.</p>
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		<title>By: beckya57</title>
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		<dc:creator>beckya57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What this reminds me of is the infamous White Sox case that was displayed in the film 8 Men Out, about the Black Sox scandal.  They had a pitcher (sorry, don&#039;t remember who) who was due for a bonus if he won 30 games.  After win #28 or 29 (not sure) Comisky ordered him to be benched, so he couldn&#039;t win 30 and Comisky wouldn&#039;t have to pay the bonus.  The way this was presented in the film (and I think this was a true story) this and other similar penny-pinching by Comisky enraged the team and played a role in their decision to throw the WS for money.  I&#039;m not defending what the team did, but I think we have to remember how destructive a force abuse of players by owners has been in baseball.  As regular readers of the site know, I&#039;m very critical of the M&#039;s FO, but this is one time when I agree with them (assuming they did this deliberately, rather than out of incompetence).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What this reminds me of is the infamous White Sox case that was displayed in the film 8 Men Out, about the Black Sox scandal.  They had a pitcher (sorry, don&#8217;t remember who) who was due for a bonus if he won 30 games.  After win #28 or 29 (not sure) Comisky ordered him to be benched, so he couldn&#8217;t win 30 and Comisky wouldn&#8217;t have to pay the bonus.  The way this was presented in the film (and I think this was a true story) this and other similar penny-pinching by Comisky enraged the team and played a role in their decision to throw the WS for money.  I&#8217;m not defending what the team did, but I think we have to remember how destructive a force abuse of players by owners has been in baseball.  As regular readers of the site know, I&#8217;m very critical of the M&#8217;s FO, but this is one time when I agree with them (assuming they did this deliberately, rather than out of incompetence).</p>
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