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		<title>By: The Unkown Comic</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/09/base-reaction/comment-page-4/#comment-269224</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unkown Comic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 01:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You fellas have developed a nice and loyal following and deservedly so as much of your work is pure genius but when I read crap like this and all the USS Mariner sheep just nod in agreement with no opposition it is just plain lame. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You fellas have developed a nice and loyal following and deservedly so as much of your work is pure genius but when I read crap like this and all the USS Mariner sheep just nod in agreement with no opposition it is just plain lame. <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Unkown Comic</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/09/base-reaction/comment-page-4/#comment-269216</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unkown Comic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 01:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really lame topic in my opinion. I can appreciate that you are so dedicated to the Mariners that you feel you have no choice but to stay the course in your fandom but I feel I have been so dedicated to the Mariners that I have the right to root against them but still be considered a true fan. I feel I have earned this rare privilege. Just my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really lame topic in my opinion. I can appreciate that you are so dedicated to the Mariners that you feel you have no choice but to stay the course in your fandom but I feel I have been so dedicated to the Mariners that I have the right to root against them but still be considered a true fan. I feel I have earned this rare privilege. Just my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/09/base-reaction/comment-page-4/#comment-269132</link>
		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: currcoug</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/09/base-reaction/comment-page-4/#comment-269124</link>
		<dc:creator>currcoug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Removed for &quot;error: sentence ratio&quot;?

Good grief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Removed for &#8220;error: sentence ratio&#8221;?</p>
<p>Good grief.</p>
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		<title>By: Madison Mariner</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/09/base-reaction/comment-page-4/#comment-268929</link>
		<dc:creator>Madison Mariner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 02:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the nice post, DMZ.  The angry kitten is a nice bonus.  ;)

I&#039;ve been a Mariners&#039; fan since 1982, when my father and my uncle took me to my first baseball game...but not in Seattle.  I was actually born in Seattle--we&#039;ll say sometime in the 70s--and my family moved back to Minnesota circa 1980.  So, when I attended my first baseball game, it was in the Twin Cities, and it was the Twins and M&#039;s in the Metrodome.  Don&#039;t remember who pitched, but it didn&#039;t matter, as I was hooked!

In the next few years, my dad and my uncle and I would attend many games, and frequently we&#039;d get tickets to M&#039;s-Twins matchups.  And, as most of you  know, neither team was particulary great in the early to mid 80s(the Twins would later overcome their demons with help from a guy named Kirby Puckett to make it to and win the 1987 World Series, as we all know).  As a way of countering my dad and uncle cheering for the Twins, I would cheer for the M&#039;s when we saw them play the &quot;home&quot; state team, and from there was born my fandom.

(And boy, I have a weird fixation with domes now, too).

I have many memories of following this team, through good times(1995, 1997, 2000, and 2001, as well as other winning seasons, etc.) and bad times(well, right now), and one(er, two?) thing(s) I always come back to is this:  

I&#039;m a fan, and it&#039;s a game.

My interest waxes and wanes, sure, but my desire to see this team win, and my identity as a &quot;Mariners&#039; fan&quot; are ingrained now, and I can&#039;t just turn that off.  I realize, oddly enough, that my fandom is older than that of some of the current players and the ownership group(Nintendo/NoA), and that this organization...&lt;em&gt;this team&lt;/em&gt;....will go on, and I will still cheer for them.

Viva la fandom.  ;)

(And that was my first post--me, a longtime M&#039;s fan who&#039;s lived most off his life in the Midwest.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the nice post, DMZ.  The angry kitten is a nice bonus.  <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been a Mariners&#8217; fan since 1982, when my father and my uncle took me to my first baseball game&#8230;but not in Seattle.  I was actually born in Seattle&#8211;we&#8217;ll say sometime in the 70s&#8211;and my family moved back to Minnesota circa 1980.  So, when I attended my first baseball game, it was in the Twin Cities, and it was the Twins and M&#8217;s in the Metrodome.  Don&#8217;t remember who pitched, but it didn&#8217;t matter, as I was hooked!</p>
<p>In the next few years, my dad and my uncle and I would attend many games, and frequently we&#8217;d get tickets to M&#8217;s-Twins matchups.  And, as most of you  know, neither team was particulary great in the early to mid 80s(the Twins would later overcome their demons with help from a guy named Kirby Puckett to make it to and win the 1987 World Series, as we all know).  As a way of countering my dad and uncle cheering for the Twins, I would cheer for the M&#8217;s when we saw them play the &#8220;home&#8221; state team, and from there was born my fandom.</p>
<p>(And boy, I have a weird fixation with domes now, too).</p>
<p>I have many memories of following this team, through good times(1995, 1997, 2000, and 2001, as well as other winning seasons, etc.) and bad times(well, right now), and one(er, two?) thing(s) I always come back to is this:  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fan, and it&#8217;s a game.</p>
<p>My interest waxes and wanes, sure, but my desire to see this team win, and my identity as a &#8220;Mariners&#8217; fan&#8221; are ingrained now, and I can&#8217;t just turn that off.  I realize, oddly enough, that my fandom is older than that of some of the current players and the ownership group(Nintendo/NoA), and that this organization&#8230;<em>this team</em>&#8230;.will go on, and I will still cheer for them.</p>
<p>Viva la fandom.  <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(And that was my first post&#8211;me, a longtime M&#8217;s fan who&#8217;s lived most off his life in the Midwest.)</p>
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		<title>By: beck21</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/09/base-reaction/comment-page-4/#comment-268829</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Derek -- Preach it!</description>
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		<title>By: DMZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I get it. but it seems a little hypocritical. If you’re throwing up towels every hour, then what’s the difference with somebody blowing a little steam and saying “I’m done!”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Two != every hour, but whatever.

The whole post is about what the difference is between blowing off steam and &quot;I&#039;m done&quot; and how that distinction makes me feel.

I don&#039;t see how that&#039;s at all hypocritical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I get it. but it seems a little hypocritical. If you’re throwing up towels every hour, then what’s the difference with somebody blowing a little steam and saying “I’m done!”?</p></blockquote>
<p>Two != every hour, but whatever.</p>
<p>The whole post is about what the difference is between blowing off steam and &#8220;I&#8217;m done&#8221; and how that distinction makes me feel.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how that&#8217;s at all hypocritical.</p>
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		<title>By: ash</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/09/base-reaction/comment-page-4/#comment-268803</link>
		<dc:creator>ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha...&lt;a href=&quot;http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/09/base-reaction/#comment-268752&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marc&lt;/a&gt;.  I was going to quit belaboring, primarily because I felt bad for possibly offending or upsetting the writers here, which was not my intent...at all.  

But, to respond to your comment: Yes, I&#039;m skeptical of some romantic fandom--idealism, in short.  Being a fan for the sake of being a fan.  You are fan in multiple ways.  It isn&#039;t an either-or condition.

To unpack, I think a critical fan simultaneously (1) loves his or her team and will follow that team (and blogs related to that team) until the season&#039;s end, and (2)knows when to identify the team&#039;s role as a business.  In other words, as a consumer, you can quit going to games to make a point about the team letting you down, while nevertheless supporting the team by &quot;keeping up&quot; with them (e.g., watching the games at home).  If you just blindly love any team, then they have little incentive to improve.  You spoil them; they keep blowing your money.

Wait...Now I sound like a child psychologist.  

Still, imagine the Mariners -- and this will never happen -- playing to an empty field.  For some, that sounds cruel and fair weathered.  To me, it&#039;s making a point: As a consumer and a member of the Seattle public, you have the right to feed back into the economy, and sports teams certainly aren&#039;t beyond that economy.  No.  A team doesn&#039;t have to win all of the time. That&#039;s ridiculous.  Still, critical fans can change how teams are run.  (Return here to the Yankees example.)

For a sloppy analogy: imagine Stevens Pass, after a season with little to no snow, not somehow compensating those who purchased season&#039;s passes. People would be irate.  True, they have other options (i.e., other mountains), but the mountain still owes something to the consumers.  

I hope this put us on (or near) the same plane, Marc.  Apologies for any confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230;<a href="http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/09/base-reaction/#comment-268752" rel="nofollow">Marc</a>.  I was going to quit belaboring, primarily because I felt bad for possibly offending or upsetting the writers here, which was not my intent&#8230;at all.  </p>
<p>But, to respond to your comment: Yes, I&#8217;m skeptical of some romantic fandom&#8211;idealism, in short.  Being a fan for the sake of being a fan.  You are fan in multiple ways.  It isn&#8217;t an either-or condition.</p>
<p>To unpack, I think a critical fan simultaneously (1) loves his or her team and will follow that team (and blogs related to that team) until the season&#8217;s end, and (2)knows when to identify the team&#8217;s role as a business.  In other words, as a consumer, you can quit going to games to make a point about the team letting you down, while nevertheless supporting the team by &#8220;keeping up&#8221; with them (e.g., watching the games at home).  If you just blindly love any team, then they have little incentive to improve.  You spoil them; they keep blowing your money.</p>
<p>Wait&#8230;Now I sound like a child psychologist.  </p>
<p>Still, imagine the Mariners &#8212; and this will never happen &#8212; playing to an empty field.  For some, that sounds cruel and fair weathered.  To me, it&#8217;s making a point: As a consumer and a member of the Seattle public, you have the right to feed back into the economy, and sports teams certainly aren&#8217;t beyond that economy.  No.  A team doesn&#8217;t have to win all of the time. That&#8217;s ridiculous.  Still, critical fans can change how teams are run.  (Return here to the Yankees example.)</p>
<p>For a sloppy analogy: imagine Stevens Pass, after a season with little to no snow, not somehow compensating those who purchased season&#8217;s passes. People would be irate.  True, they have other options (i.e., other mountains), but the mountain still owes something to the consumers.  </p>
<p>I hope this put us on (or near) the same plane, Marc.  Apologies for any confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: eternal</title>
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		<dc:creator>eternal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get it. but it seems a little hypocritical. If you&#039;re throwing up towels every hour, then what&#039;s the difference with somebody blowing a little steam and saying &quot;I&#039;m done!&quot;? My guess is a lot of those people are just frustrated and they are just venting a bit. Long live Felix, Ichiro and Beltre. I just wish we had somebody in the lineup that was a real power threat...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get it. but it seems a little hypocritical. If you&#8217;re throwing up towels every hour, then what&#8217;s the difference with somebody blowing a little steam and saying &#8220;I&#8217;m done!&#8221;? My guess is a lot of those people are just frustrated and they are just venting a bit. Long live Felix, Ichiro and Beltre. I just wish we had somebody in the lineup that was a real power threat&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: metz123</title>
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		<dc:creator>metz123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t know if I quit on the concept of the Mariners as my home town team but something inside me has shifted in the past 3-4 years. I’m still a fan, I still check the scores each day, I still read USSM but not with the fervor I used to. I’ve stopped spending money directly on the M’s. I don’t buy merchandise and I don’t attend games. Even my indirect revenue contribution to the team is down because I don’t watch many games on TV or even listen on the radio.

Does this mean I’ve quit or stopped being a fan? I don’t think so. I’m just rewarding the M’s incompetence with less of my money. Does this make me a bandwagon fan? I don&#039;t think so either. I still know a lot about the team. I still follow them and wish they would perform. I guess I&#039;m just taking a break until I see a reason to get hopeful about the future of the franchise. 

Luckily for me I have 28 years of personal Red Sox history to fall back on. I can internally justify following a second team with some zest while I wait for the M&#039;s to turn it around. Some may say....how can you root for 2 teams, who would you be rooting for should the Sox and M&#039;s meet in an ALCS? It&#039;s pretty easy...I&#039;d root for the M&#039;s in a heartbeat. While I relished the Sox recent titles, nothing would make me happier (In the realm of professional sports) than seeing the M&#039;s win a World Series. 

I think that&#039;s what makes us fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know if I quit on the concept of the Mariners as my home town team but something inside me has shifted in the past 3-4 years. I’m still a fan, I still check the scores each day, I still read USSM but not with the fervor I used to. I’ve stopped spending money directly on the M’s. I don’t buy merchandise and I don’t attend games. Even my indirect revenue contribution to the team is down because I don’t watch many games on TV or even listen on the radio.</p>
<p>Does this mean I’ve quit or stopped being a fan? I don’t think so. I’m just rewarding the M’s incompetence with less of my money. Does this make me a bandwagon fan? I don&#8217;t think so either. I still know a lot about the team. I still follow them and wish they would perform. I guess I&#8217;m just taking a break until I see a reason to get hopeful about the future of the franchise. </p>
<p>Luckily for me I have 28 years of personal Red Sox history to fall back on. I can internally justify following a second team with some zest while I wait for the M&#8217;s to turn it around. Some may say&#8230;.how can you root for 2 teams, who would you be rooting for should the Sox and M&#8217;s meet in an ALCS? It&#8217;s pretty easy&#8230;I&#8217;d root for the M&#8217;s in a heartbeat. While I relished the Sox recent titles, nothing would make me happier (In the realm of professional sports) than seeing the M&#8217;s win a World Series. </p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s what makes us fans.</p>
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