16 May
Dave and I do an M’s preview at Ducksnorts
Check it out if you’re interested, though it’s for the Padres side and you probably already know everything we’re saying about the M’s.
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DMZ - that is pretty damn funny. Dave’s answers were *slightly* upbeat and you just hit the nail right on the head. So funny seeing the different reactions from you two. I enjoyed that interview immensely, and the negativity/dark comedy/realism you injected.
Also the worst part of the the whole blog was the first comment:
That could have been our damn pitcher and that’s so upsetting. Even if Felix is better, our 1-2 punch for the future could have been The King the Lincecum.
May 16th, 2008 at 10:01 amI liked the part about how the only thing Vidro can hit is the buffet.
May 16th, 2008 at 10:17 amWhat’s really funny is if you read the comments there is someone asking what the price would be for Griffey. I thought it was funny that their thread got hijacked with Griffey speculation.
May 16th, 2008 at 10:18 amI liked the Miss Congeniality 2 loop. Dante would use that if he were writing today.
May 16th, 2008 at 10:34 amThat seemed like an oddly simpatico interview, considering it was on a blog dedicated to our deadly, hated natural rivals. The Kenny G dig was totally uncalled for, though.
May 16th, 2008 at 10:38 amMiguel Batista hurts our team by liking Kenny G.
May 16th, 2008 at 11:37 amDerek’s response to the Kenny G shot was perfect. “How dare you.”
May 16th, 2008 at 11:55 amThe Padres are well considered the absolute worst team in baseball at present. Even the M’s rate better.
And Yahoo’s current stat:
SURELY the Mariners are the favorites here….right?
May 16th, 2008 at 12:31 pmSan Diego has Ted Danson, RuPaul, and Mario Lopez to answer for, so I don’t know that Kenny G means much in the scheme of things.
May 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pmThat was awesome. I’m happy for DMZ. I know when I came to grips with how I really felt about the M’s - that is, Mclaren sucks, Bavasi sucks, the rest of the Front Office sucks, half the team sucks, and they all should be fired - and embraced that fact, I felt much better about the situation. Seems like maybe DMZ may have reached a similar place.
May 16th, 2008 at 12:47 pmSince the start of interleague play, how often have the then-worst teams in each league faced each other in the World Series of Suck? I can’t figure out how to query the usual sources to determine that.
May 16th, 2008 at 12:48 pmJoser — Not sure about that, either…but those classic Expos-Rays matchups played in front of like 4-5k fans always come to mind.
May 16th, 2008 at 12:59 pmI found one example, sort of. One June 8, 1999, the Florida Marlins, then with the worst record in baseball, swept a doubleheader from the Orioles. This dropped Baltimore into a tie with the Twins for the worst record in the AL. So on June 9, they finished their three-game series as the worst team in each league. The Orioles won that one and broke their tie with the Twins in the process, so it didn’t hold up long.
May 16th, 2008 at 1:12 pmNever mind, here’s a real one. From June 20-22, 2006, the Kansas City Royals hosted the Pittsburgh Pirates for a three-game series. The Royals entered the series at 19-49, by far the worst record in baseball, while the Pirates at 26-45 were two games behind the Cubs for the worst record in the NL. Nevertheless, in a clear reflection of the AL’s superiority at the time, the Royals swept the Pirates to win (lose?) that edition of the World Series of Suck. Despite the sweep, the Royals still had the worst record in baseball when it was over.
May 16th, 2008 at 1:25 pmNow if we could only figure out how to get MLB to actually have the “world series of suck” at the end of each season I’d have something to look forward to this year.
May 16th, 2008 at 1:49 pmAnd you shouldn’t bring up the L name in this blog. The authors were all pretty adamant that both Morrow and Miller would be better MLB pitchers than Lincecum. All three are still early in their careers but I think Lincecum is well ahead of the other 2 in becoming a stud pitcher.
San Fran did a great job with Lincecum, putting him in the minors, letting him prove himself against the competition before putting him into the rotation. We all know the M’s haven’t done Morrow and favors and I wonder how the jump between teams has affected Miller. He doesn’t look 1/2 the prospect he did a year ago.
May 16th, 2008 at 1:55 pmHey, I have an idea - why don’t you not misrepresent what we said? Thanks.
May 16th, 2008 at 2:01 pmLet me know where in the comments of this post you rate Lincecum higher than either Morrow or Miller and I will.
You guys rated him the #10 pitching prospect in that draft. You stated that his command was truly awful and he was far far away from being a MLB starting pitcher, you stated that any team taking him was rolling the dice because he wasn’t as good as either Miller or Morrow.
You did admit he’s got crazy good stuff but pumped up his risks along with every other scout because he didn’t fit the conventional mold of what a pitcher should look like or throw like.
Lincecum didn’t fit the mold. That made teams scared and made his draft rating drop. It wasn’t just the authors of this blog. He fell because almost every team looked at his body type, his mechanics and his pitch count instead of his results.
In this case the marriage of scouting and statistics didn’t work. The statistics were more important than the scouting reports.
May 16th, 2008 at 2:19 pmmetz123 - if you actually read the discussion in the post you linked to, Dave never said that Miller and Morrow would be better pitchers than Lincecum. He did rank them ahead of Lincecum when “balancing reward and risk and ignoring team situations of who actually owns those draft spots.” There is a difference.
May 16th, 2008 at 2:53 pmHi. I don’t believe that I said that. If you could point out where I did, I’d appreciate it.
May 16th, 2008 at 2:59 pmI’m Pro-Lincecum but I’m also patient for Morrow since that’s the Mariners took. I’d rather see Morrow in short relief appearances now and then develop him into a starter later instead of blowing his arm out early in his career. Lincecum is a freak of nature, the guy doesn’t ice his arm of his starts and he generates a lot of power from his arm through his awkward follow through. It just pisses me off because the guy is a local product and the Mariners seemed to not even look his way in the draft.
I’ll wait for Morrow but I would like Lincecum now.
May 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pmI’m not having the Lincecum argument again. If you want to interpret my comments as “adamant that Miller and Morrow would have better careers”, then that’s your deficiency in reading comprehension.
May 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pmmetz123 said:
Dave said:
and metz123 said:
metz, it sounds like you’re questioning Dave/DMZ’s credibility *NOW* based on a pre-draft prediction from two years ago. It sounds vindictive.
May 16th, 2008 at 3:14 pmmetz123
I read through that link you supplied, and really, Dave and Derek didn’t say what you are saying. They said that Lincecum has epically good stuff
But that the risks associated with him outweigh that. Their point is that if you have an early pick, and you are going to spend a ton of money, take it on someone who has a lot fewer risks associated with them.
The Ranking system that Dave Posted:
was clearly stating that the best return on the money was to get a great pitcher while reducing the risk of getting no returns (i.e. Lincecum’s risk of injury). Dave and DMZ are never
as you claim.
You are inferring more and not dissecting their qualifications that came along with those rankings.
At this point, we have to realize that the risks of injury to Lincecum are still piling up. The kid has only 200 major league innings pitched. Wood didn’t get hurt until after 300 innings. Prior, even later. Evaluating this draft, this early, is sort of ridiculous.
Speaking of which, when is Kershaw getting his shot…that curveball is Zito-esque……
May 16th, 2008 at 3:16 pmEverybody, that’s enough. Why is a discussion of random non-Mariner young pitchers, or a rehashing of the 2006 draft, on-topic for this thread? Oh, wait, it’s not.
May 16th, 2008 at 3:31 pm[I thought it was mildly amusing but it's not worth this thread turning into a gripefest about it]
May 16th, 2008 at 3:42 pm[I thought it was mildly amusing but it's not worth this thread turning into a gripefest about it]
May 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm[I thought it was mildly amusing but it's not worth this thread turning into a gripefest about it]
May 16th, 2008 at 4:00 pmI had a feeling it was headed for deletion.
I really enjoyed the interview. I don’t know if there’s any interest on the USSM side of doing something similar but it could be interesting. I do like the communication between team based blogs. It was a crossover reminiscent of the fabulous Magnum PI/Murder She wrote crossover. Encore good sirs, encore.
May 16th, 2008 at 5:35 pmI second Mike G’s idea and also that you ran with a couple of topics based on readers statments. Thanks, USSM.
May 16th, 2008 at 6:08 pmWe do that all the time - email us, we do do requests.
May 16th, 2008 at 6:20 pmOoooh, I know who I want to play at my wedding!
May 16th, 2008 at 7:00 pm