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		<title>By: north</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/19/battle-of-the-ex-contenders/comment-page-1/#comment-272592</link>
		<dc:creator>north</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tigers illustrate that the Ms have company in overstocking with 1B/DH type players.

The Tigers, Indians and White Sox are choked up with too many expensive players with &quot;DH/1B&quot; defensive skills.  (The Yankees also have this problem but this is a central division post.)

Twins management is laughing again.  (Not that the Twins get it right every year, but they won&#039;t risk getting stuck with expensive non-bopping big boppers that have no secondary skills.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tigers illustrate that the Ms have company in overstocking with 1B/DH type players.</p>
<p>The Tigers, Indians and White Sox are choked up with too many expensive players with &#8220;DH/1B&#8221; defensive skills.  (The Yankees also have this problem but this is a central division post.)</p>
<p>Twins management is laughing again.  (Not that the Twins get it right every year, but they won&#8217;t risk getting stuck with expensive non-bopping big boppers that have no secondary skills.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 04:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=nrq96cW2BuY&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fight&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/206472.1020.A.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=nrq96cW2BuY&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">fight</a> <a href="http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/product_images/1020/206472.1020.A.jpg" rel="nofollow">it</a></p>
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		<title>By: dlb</title>
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		<dc:creator>dlb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have to root for Lester. That was awesome. I hate continuing the OT, but [deleted, continuing the OT]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to root for Lester. That was awesome. I hate continuing the OT, but [deleted, continuing the OT]</p>
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		<title>By: PaulMolitorCocktail</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulMolitorCocktail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT:

Lester!!</description>
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<p>Lester!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tuomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They mortgaged their future for a present&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I take issue with that line.  Miguel Cabrera is 25 years old and has put up a 150+ OPS+ every year for the last three seasons.  This guy isn&#039;t an aging veteran; he&#039;s an MVP-level talent who&#039;s just now begining to enter his prime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They mortgaged their future for a present</p></blockquote>
<p>I take issue with that line.  Miguel Cabrera is 25 years old and has put up a 150+ OPS+ every year for the last three seasons.  This guy isn&#8217;t an aging veteran; he&#8217;s an MVP-level talent who&#8217;s just now begining to enter his prime.</p>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/19/battle-of-the-ex-contenders/comment-page-1/#comment-272444</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story of the Tigers&#039; off-season is just a couple of degrees more intense than the Mariners&#039;, but in retrospect, there is a lot of the same stuff going on.  They mortgaged their future for a present (although Cabrera and Willis are still young), and way underestimated the effects of aging on a number of players.  

It&#039;s funny how teams always seem to think some players will &quot;bounce back&quot; (hello, Richie), but then always just pencil in players who played better than expected (hello, Turbo) for the same performance again.  Pudge, Guillen, Rogers, Sheffield and Ordonez:  was there any rational scenario where less than three of them was going to collapse this year?  Maggs is hitting okay, but not at the stratospheric levels of last year.  Renteria isn&#039;t a kid anymore.  Todd Jones was running on fumes all last year anyway and is like 65 years old.  

While no one expected Bonderman and Verlander to suck (and who had Felix and Bedard at a combined 5-6?), this Tigers team has more in common with the 1973 Tigers (and the 2004 Mariners) than it does with a pennant-winning club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story of the Tigers&#8217; off-season is just a couple of degrees more intense than the Mariners&#8217;, but in retrospect, there is a lot of the same stuff going on.  They mortgaged their future for a present (although Cabrera and Willis are still young), and way underestimated the effects of aging on a number of players.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how teams always seem to think some players will &#8220;bounce back&#8221; (hello, Richie), but then always just pencil in players who played better than expected (hello, Turbo) for the same performance again.  Pudge, Guillen, Rogers, Sheffield and Ordonez:  was there any rational scenario where less than three of them was going to collapse this year?  Maggs is hitting okay, but not at the stratospheric levels of last year.  Renteria isn&#8217;t a kid anymore.  Todd Jones was running on fumes all last year anyway and is like 65 years old.  </p>
<p>While no one expected Bonderman and Verlander to suck (and who had Felix and Bedard at a combined 5-6?), this Tigers team has more in common with the 1973 Tigers (and the 2004 Mariners) than it does with a pennant-winning club.</p>
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		<title>By: jspektor</title>
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		<dc:creator>jspektor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the bright side, we only need 4 more games to complete our first of five 6 game winning streaks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the bright side, we only need 4 more games to complete our first of five 6 game winning streaks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, he means &quot;just as I &lt;a href=&quot;http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/16/game-43-padres-at-mariners-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;compared&lt;/a&gt; the M&#039;s and Padres prior to their recent series, I will now compare the M&#039;s and the Tigers.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he means &#8220;just as I <a href="http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/16/game-43-padres-at-mariners-2/" rel="nofollow">compared</a> the M&#8217;s and Padres prior to their recent series, I will now compare the M&#8217;s and the Tigers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: manifestus</title>
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		<dc:creator>manifestus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 21:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is me being somewhat obnoxious, but by Padres you mean Tigers right? :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is me being somewhat obnoxious, but by Padres you mean Tigers right? <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: fargomsfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>fargomsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all know how this works... Time to start Detroit&#039;s World Series run with a 3-game sweep of the M&#039;s by a combined score of 30-2. Pray it doesn&#039;t happen, then watch us attempt to pitch. I am one of little faith...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all know how this works&#8230; Time to start Detroit&#8217;s World Series run with a 3-game sweep of the M&#8217;s by a combined score of 30-2. Pray it doesn&#8217;t happen, then watch us attempt to pitch. I am one of little faith&#8230;</p>
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