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		<title>By: PILOTS-GUY</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/21/game-47-mariners-at-tigers/comment-page-5/#comment-273513</link>
		<dc:creator>PILOTS-GUY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Used to be, I&#039;d read the sports pages for comments/observations on this team from the night before. Now, I come here to get honest, objective news about this train wreck of a MLB team. This morning&#039;s blast about Washburn insisting on his personal catcher was the final straw. Couldn&#039;t agree more with comments from today. While signing Kenji for 3yrs at his age and level of production was a stupid move, to bench him half the time now and thus provide a wall for Clement to return. You truly have to wonder which inmates in the asylum are running things today. Or, do they take turns? McLaren has zero nads to let any player dictate to him, Washburn or otherwise. It should be painfully obvious to anyone (although not noted in the PI or anywhere else I could find)that he has lost dynamic control of his troops. He must go, in an effort to retain some of the new manager&#039;s respect level for this club. If not, these troops will be dictating other &quot;terms&quot; to McLaren in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Used to be, I&#8217;d read the sports pages for comments/observations on this team from the night before. Now, I come here to get honest, objective news about this train wreck of a MLB team. This morning&#8217;s blast about Washburn insisting on his personal catcher was the final straw. Couldn&#8217;t agree more with comments from today. While signing Kenji for 3yrs at his age and level of production was a stupid move, to bench him half the time now and thus provide a wall for Clement to return. You truly have to wonder which inmates in the asylum are running things today. Or, do they take turns? McLaren has zero nads to let any player dictate to him, Washburn or otherwise. It should be painfully obvious to anyone (although not noted in the PI or anywhere else I could find)that he has lost dynamic control of his troops. He must go, in an effort to retain some of the new manager&#8217;s respect level for this club. If not, these troops will be dictating other &#8220;terms&#8221; to McLaren in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: notanangrygradstudent</title>
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		<dc:creator>notanangrygradstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>147: That&#039;s called folding pre-flop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>147: That&#8217;s called folding pre-flop.</p>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/05/21/game-47-mariners-at-tigers/comment-page-5/#comment-273475</link>
		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 05:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>226:  The M&#039;s had gotten rid of all their good young (and I might mention mainly black) players over the years:  Ruppert Jones, Dave Henderson, Phil Bradley.  But they developed a fetish for Jim Presley, whom they could easily have traded two years before Edgar came up for good.  There is always a market for a power-hitting third baseman.  And Edgar had only batted .372 in his cup of coffee in 1987, so why he was sent down to win another PCL batting title was beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>226:  The M&#8217;s had gotten rid of all their good young (and I might mention mainly black) players over the years:  Ruppert Jones, Dave Henderson, Phil Bradley.  But they developed a fetish for Jim Presley, whom they could easily have traded two years before Edgar came up for good.  There is always a market for a power-hitting third baseman.  And Edgar had only batted .372 in his cup of coffee in 1987, so why he was sent down to win another PCL batting title was beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: scott19</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 03:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>225:  Not really, no...and the sad thing about having both Phelps &lt;strong&gt;and&lt;/strong&gt; Jim Presley around at the same time is that it wound up keeping Edgar down in the minors longer than he should have been.  I know it&#039;s hindsight, but I&#039;ll bet &#039;Gar would&#039;ve finished in the neighborhood of 3k hits if not for those lost seasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>225:  Not really, no&#8230;and the sad thing about having both Phelps <strong>and</strong> Jim Presley around at the same time is that it wound up keeping Edgar down in the minors longer than he should have been.  I know it&#8217;s hindsight, but I&#8217;ll bet &#8216;Gar would&#8217;ve finished in the neighborhood of 3k hits if not for those lost seasons.</p>
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		<title>By: don52656</title>
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		<dc:creator>don52656</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 03:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Buhner/Phelps trade was probably why the M&#039;s hired him....out of gratitude!

Actually, Phelps was a hell of a power hitter.  I can see why someone would have wanted him aiming at the short right field porch in Yankee Stadium.

But, it didn&#039;t work out for them, did it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Buhner/Phelps trade was probably why the M&#8217;s hired him&#8230;.out of gratitude!</p>
<p>Actually, Phelps was a hell of a power hitter.  I can see why someone would have wanted him aiming at the short right field porch in Yankee Stadium.</p>
<p>But, it didn&#8217;t work out for them, did it?</p>
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		<title>By: scott19</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 03:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And he traded Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps. While with the Yankees.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Prompting my favorite line from &lt;em&gt;Seinfeld&lt;/em&gt;:  &quot;Why the hell&#039;d you trade Jay Buhner?!&quot; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And he traded Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps. While with the Yankees.</p></blockquote>
<p>Prompting my favorite line from <em>Seinfeld</em>:  &#8220;Why the hell&#8217;d you trade Jay Buhner?!&#8221; <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: scott19</title>
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		<dc:creator>scott19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 03:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep...like the guys from Del Amitri once said:  &quot;C&#039;mon baby, let&#039;s KISS THIS THING GOODBYE!&quot; :o</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep&#8230;like the guys from Del Amitri once said:  &#8220;C&#8217;mon baby, let&#8217;s KISS THIS THING GOODBYE!&#8221; <img src='http://ussmariner.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Breadbaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Breadbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 03:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edgar was drafted in 1982, also before Woody&#039;s time.  Woody did do the Moyer trade, which was tremendous, and both sides of the Randy Johnson saga (it will be ten years since the M&#039;s were certain Randy was going to have back trouble; they were right!!), which both got us value.  His worse trades will need no introduction.  

And he traded Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps.  While with the Yankees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edgar was drafted in 1982, also before Woody&#8217;s time.  Woody did do the Moyer trade, which was tremendous, and both sides of the Randy Johnson saga (it will be ten years since the M&#8217;s were certain Randy was going to have back trouble; they were right!!), which both got us value.  His worse trades will need no introduction.  </p>
<p>And he traded Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps.  While with the Yankees.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 03:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone just please BLOW THE WHOLE THING UP!!!!

It&#039;s time for heads to roll.

NOW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone just please BLOW THE WHOLE THING UP!!!!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for heads to roll.</p>
<p>NOW.</p>
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		<title>By: jlc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 03:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Did you just hear the Washburn interview on Fox? He only threw one bad pitch, to Thames. The other hits he says he was throwing good pitches, hitting his spots, and the Tigers were hitting them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You guys are too much. I wouldn&#039;t let my kids get away with that. It would be hysterical if a major league pitcher actually said stuff like that. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Did you just hear the Washburn interview on Fox? He only threw one bad pitch, to Thames. The other hits he says he was throwing good pitches, hitting his spots, and the Tigers were hitting them.</p></blockquote>
<p>You guys are too much. I wouldn&#8217;t let my kids get away with that. It would be hysterical if a major league pitcher actually said stuff like that. . .</p>
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