Game 48, Mariners at Tigers

Dave · May 22, 2008 at 8:57 am · Filed Under Mariners 

Batista vs Bonderman, 10:05 am.

Jeremy Bonderman has the second highest walk rate of any pitcher in the AL this year, putting 14.3% of all batters he faces on via the free pass. Miguel Batista has the fourth highest walk rate in the AL this year, putting 13.5% of all batters he faces on via the free pass.

This game is going to be torture, but slightly less torturous than usual – Reed in left, Ibanez at DH. Yep, they actually did something that we like. Turbo sits down, the defense gets better… I mean, really, this is pretty obvious, right?

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298 Responses to “Game 48, Mariners at Tigers”

  1. BillyJive on May 22nd, 2008 12:36 pm

    245 – I don’t know…I bet their are more alcoholic M’s fans out there that say…Tampa Bay Ray fans…
    *grin*
    Cheers everyone…

  2. Beniitec on May 22nd, 2008 12:36 pm

    What’s the point..no one can pitch on this team lately… no one. The group is defeated before they play. The clubhouse has forgotten that they play to win…

  3. notanangrygradstudent on May 22nd, 2008 12:37 pm

    236: I just bought a new washing machine, and I can tell you right now that I won’t give it up for Sexson and Vidro….

  4. jro on May 22nd, 2008 12:39 pm

    236: my washing machine is broken.

    The difference between my washing machine and Sexson/Vidro: my washing machine can be fixed.

  5. JMHawkins on May 22nd, 2008 12:39 pm

    So, since pretty much absolutley everyone is sucking (even Ichiro is batting below .300), doesn’t that mean the team’s “chemistry” guys are failing at their job? I mean, it’s one thing to believe in a dubious theory, but it’s another to believe in it only when it “works” and ignore it when it doesn’t. But that’s the thing about the M’s lately, they don’t just use dubious reasoning, they aren’t even consistent about it. I’m beging to conclude their problem isn’t that they have bad theories, it’s that they have no theories. They just use highly subjective reasoning to explain doing whatever it was they wanted to do in the first place.

  6. ManageWA on May 22nd, 2008 12:40 pm

    243: The only reason I see hope in the griffey trade is because it seems like Seattle is a very emotionally driven team. Most every single player is playing below expectation, even when expectation is low. The city is apathetic and even with the fervent support on this board, apathy seems more and more rampant with each passing game. Griffey would at least act as a spark for something. Does it save the team? No. But he would at least make us lively again. Maybe get the safe packed again and get some hope in the community. Of course, the FO would see that as a genius move and then we’d be back to square one with no FO changes and our pain becoming exacerbated with a turn around leading to a !!70 win!! season.

    Basically, I’d love to see Griffey’s return, it would give some life, but that’s it. And I doubt the Reds will release him until post-600.

  7. notanangrygradstudent on May 22nd, 2008 12:42 pm

    I’m begining to conclude their problem isn’t that they have bad theories…[t]hey just use highly subjective reasoning to explain doing whatever it was they wanted to do in the first place.

    I think those amount to the same thing.

  8. gwangung on May 22nd, 2008 12:43 pm

    I think the only ones that think Griffey could save this team work for the FO..I just think it would give some of us a reason to still watch the games..

    Nah, he’d stink as bad as everyone else. (Truly…see his stats these days?)

  9. ChrisK on May 22nd, 2008 12:44 pm

    Dear Mariners,

    Thanks for kick-starting our season.

    Signed,

    The Baltimore Orioles
    The Texas Rangers
    The Detroit Tigers

  10. argh on May 22nd, 2008 12:44 pm

    If I were McLaren I think I’d be contemplating a resignation about now. There’s some dignity in being able to clean out your desk on company time.

  11. jlc on May 22nd, 2008 12:44 pm

    So, since pretty much absolutley everyone is sucking (even Ichiro is batting below .300), doesn’t that mean the team’s “chemistry” guys are failing at their job?

    I don’t know. I’m closer to believing in chemistry with this team than any other in the last umpteen years. Bad chemistry, granted, but that was one of DMZ’s options. You’d think there’d be somebody playing over (maybe up to) their potential.

  12. ManageWA on May 22nd, 2008 12:45 pm

    At least the marlins are doing well. I always cheer for them because they’ve been to the post season twice, and have two world series rings. Let’s see if they can keep up that impossible streak. Also, Mark Hendrickson is pitching pretty well for them, and he’s local fodder (mount vernon).

  13. bermanator on May 22nd, 2008 12:45 pm

    Swing low, sweet chariot…

  14. Some Dude on May 22nd, 2008 12:48 pm

    Does anyone know where I can look up LOB numbers? It’s either not on BR or I’m not adept enough to find it.

  15. tomas on May 22nd, 2008 12:48 pm

    The solution to the M’s chemistry problems:
    1. Douse with gasoline.
    2. Light match

  16. Rick L on May 22nd, 2008 12:49 pm

    Reed is now hitting .400. The last time a Mariner was at that level this year, they DFA’d him. If you want to fit in, Jeremy, you need to get your average down closer to the Medoza line so as not to make the veterans feel bad.

  17. jro on May 22nd, 2008 12:50 pm

    256: P.S. The New York Yankees felt it would be inappropriate to be included on the list until *after* the games have been played.

  18. msb on May 22nd, 2008 12:50 pm

    Going home, going home,
    I’m just going home.
    Quiet-like, slip away-
    I’ll be going home.
    It’s not far, just close by;
    Jesus is the Door;
    Work all done, laid aside,
    Fear and grief no more.
    Friends are there, waiting now.
    He is waiting, too.
    See His smile! See His hand!
    He will lead me through.

  19. Rick L on May 22nd, 2008 12:50 pm

    Sorry, Reed made the last out while I was reading the blog. He may be safe now.

  20. tomas on May 22nd, 2008 12:51 pm

    I wanna see what the attendances are like next home stand, now that everyone has gotten their ‘it’s baseball season!’ obligatory games out of the way. I predict a new low of under 5,000 fans in the seats, not tix sold

  21. JMHawkins on May 22nd, 2008 12:51 pm

    Basically, I’d love to see Griffey’s return, it would give some life, but that’s it.

    I’m expecting the moderators to swoop in any minute and point out this isn’t a Griffy thread (though it is a game thread, so maybe it goes), but I’ll take this opportunity to point out bringing Griffey back would be a great example of several of the bad ideas that are causing the team to lose.

    -PR move trumps game impact? check.
    -Oft injured player on back side of career trumps young player? check
    -Defensive liabilities ignored? check
    -Panic quick fix instead of addressing underlying problems? check

    As a fan, yeah, Griffey is a huge part of the M’s history, and I’d like to see him end his career as a Mariner. But bringing him in this year would be a giant mistake. It would make Baker’s commentors happy and give the local media fits of joy, but I think most fans, even casual ones, would see it as throwing in every towel in the clubhouse.

  22. JMHawkins on May 22nd, 2008 12:53 pm

    Does anyone know where I can look up LOB numbers? It’s either not on BR or I’m not adept enough to find it

    Try hardballtimes.com.

  23. Jeff Nye on May 22nd, 2008 12:55 pm

    Whew. I was afraid we’d go a full week without another entirely unrelated thread turning into yet another Griffey discusson.

    Dodged a bullet with that one!

  24. SexsonMendoza on May 22nd, 2008 12:55 pm

    Pinch hitting Bloomquist for Ichiro for the last at bat. Talk about raising the white flag of surrender.

  25. LMF on May 22nd, 2008 1:00 pm

    So if McLaren and Bavasi aren’t gone until after the draft, I’m assuming any sort of fire sale won’t happen until well after they’re gone. I’m almost looking forward to it at this point. Unfortunately it doesn’t really seem like we have much to sell. He is my favorite player and I would hate to see him go, but I would guess that Beltre would be one of our top chips. Who else will be on the block? Putz? Bedard already? I guess I’m assuming we are sellers. By going out and getting Bedard I took management to be saying – “it’s all or nothing.” It’s pretty clear we didn’t get “all”, so we start over, right?

  26. jephdood on May 22nd, 2008 1:00 pm

    Singin’..

    “It’s been a long, a long time coming
    But I know a change gonna come, oh yes it will.”

  27. NiceThrowLupus on May 22nd, 2008 1:02 pm

    I think our pitching staff just broke Joe’s Tracer in this series. What’s Blowers going to do now???

  28. Evan on May 22nd, 2008 1:04 pm

    I think those amount to the same thing.

    Tey have the same result – the team sucks – but they’re very different, and one of them is fixable.

    If the team is basing its decisions of poor theories, then simply correcting the theories should improve the team. But, if they’re acting based on no real reasoning at all and just rationalising after the fact, you can’t fix that without years of intensive logic therapy.

  29. Evan on May 22nd, 2008 1:06 pm

    Pinch hitting Bloomquist for Ichiro for the last at bat. Talk about raising the white flag of surrender.

    Ichiro wanted to go home early so he could dress up neighbourhood cats in Mariner uniforms and feed them to Ikkyu.

  30. Ollie in Raleigh on May 22nd, 2008 1:09 pm

    Mustering any positive emotion at this point is futile. Mariner brass…get bent.

  31. gwangung on May 22nd, 2008 1:19 pm

    Ichiro wanted to go home early so he could dress up neighbourhood cats in Mariner uniforms and feed them to Ikkyu.

    LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (And I HATE using that acronym…..)

  32. MedicineHat on May 22nd, 2008 1:21 pm

    Stupid reporter question of the day:

    To McLaren:

    Before the series you compared your team to the Tigers as being similar…does it give you hope seeing how fast they turned it around against you guys?

  33. Kunkoh on May 22nd, 2008 1:27 pm

    I don’t know. I think that’s a good question. At least if the reporter was going for snarky, sarcastic, snide, etc. If that was a real question asked, then that reporter has some balls.

  34. Tom on May 22nd, 2008 1:28 pm

    The more I think about this team, the more I think about how eerily similar this team and this front office is to the New York Knicks under Isiah Thomas.

  35. et_blankenship on May 22nd, 2008 1:32 pm

    Either way, the report has big balls. Great question if you ask me.

  36. et_blankenship on May 22nd, 2008 1:32 pm

    “reporter”

  37. bakomariner on May 22nd, 2008 1:40 pm

    What was Mac’s response?

  38. north on May 22nd, 2008 2:14 pm

    re: 282

    That question doesn’t look stupid, it looks harsh – if deliberate – the reporter was implicitly insulting McLaren to his face.

    The reporters only turn on you when they know you don’t matter any more. Looks like this reporter might think McLaren is toast.

  39. Steve T on May 22nd, 2008 2:34 pm

    Is anybody else getting the feeling that this team might not be very good? I think I am. Just a tingle.

  40. Karen on May 22nd, 2008 2:54 pm

    The Nickster asked: Have you guys noticed what McLaren’s favorite expression is about his team? I mean besides, “[Name of pitcher] just didn’t have it today.” It’s this: “feeling good about ourselves.” Every damn interview it’s “We’re starting to feel good about ourselves again” or “we’ve just got to get back to feeling good about ourselves.”

    Sounds like Chuck Armstrong signed McLaren up for the 12-step program endorsed by Stuart Smalley in “Daily Affirmations With Stuart Smalley” and demanded he read Smalley’s book “I’m Good Enough, I’m Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!”

    😀

  41. SpokaneMsFan on May 22nd, 2008 3:40 pm

    That is the most awesome question ever, still laughing 10 minutes later.

  42. joser on May 22nd, 2008 4:01 pm

    The clubhouse has forgotten that they play to win…

    That’s the same sort of crap as “they wanted it more.” “Heart” and “want” can’t make up for talent and skill. This team is made up of people who play to win. Unfortunately, they’re mostly not very good at it. This is a badly-assembled collection of mostly mediocre, mostly overpaid players who mostly aren’t being employed in ways that minimize their shortcomings. No amount of desire or chemistry can overcome that.

    So, since pretty much absolutley everyone is sucking (even Ichiro is batting below .300)

    Ichiro is not sucking. He’s a lifetime .330 hitter, and he’s batting .351 in May. He was .252 in April. For his career, he’s hit .293 in April and .369 in May. So he’s a little below his career line for those months, but he still has a couple of weeks in May. (And offenses in general are down in the AL this year). Every year we are forced to listen to the clueless national media going on about how Ichiro has finally fallen off the cliff and every year they’ve been wrong. I have no doubt that’s the case this year too. Those of us who have watched him on a daily basis for the last seven years have no excuse for making that mistake.

  43. BillyJive on May 22nd, 2008 5:12 pm

    Anyone else here wondering if Ichiro regrets signing that extension yet?

  44. edgar for mayor on May 22nd, 2008 5:20 pm

    All I can say is. I am glad I missed this game.

    Glad Reed got a hit, though.

  45. Tom in Edmonds on May 22nd, 2008 7:29 pm

    198…. My Wife asked me why I still watch these guys day after day……

    Only answer I had was, I love the game.

  46. slescotts on May 22nd, 2008 8:10 pm

    [nope]

  47. joser on May 22nd, 2008 8:29 pm

    Hey slescotts — wherefore the hostility? Reverse red-eye is an airline flight. The M’s have a history of sending down (or releasing) members of the bullpen for no obvious good reason — and one HR certainly qualifies as that sort of specious reason. Given all that, that comment is both sad and humorous, sarcastic and accurate, all at once. I’m not sure what you thought he said, but it certainly seems more appropriate than your little diatribe.

    (And if the mods happen back here and just delete #296 — and I think they should — they should delete this as well).

  48. edgar for mayor on May 23rd, 2008 2:28 am

    14

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