Game 50, Mariners at Yankees
DMZ · May 24, 2008 at 9:37 am · Filed Under Mariners
Silva v Mussina. 10:05 our time.
SP Lager: Official Beer of the 2008 Mariner Season.
“Usually I enjoy Japanese beer, but given the situation, if I was objectively watching the game, I wouldn’t care if it was Japanese beer, American beer or beer from Papua New Guinea,” he said.
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Pregame lineups show Sexson in RF and Reed at 1st. A mistake I presume?
If that’s not a mistake… well, I don’t know what to do.
What do they make beer from in the South Pacific – taro?
They should have a ‘pick yer position’ day. Everyone gets to pick the position they’ve always wanted to play. Sure, Sexson in right.. Ichiro can pitch.. can’t possibly get any worse.
Remember when there was some talk of getting both Sexson and Delgado, but neither would DH so there were some rumblings (and I don’t know how serious or official they were) of putting Sexson in left field?
I want to blame the quote for my craving of an Asahi right now, but in reality I know it’s a bigger problem when it’s 9:53 in the morning and I want to drink…Damn the Mariners franchise being the problem.
A metric for quitting:
Can we track how often batters swing at the first pitch? With Pitch F/X, can we track by first-pitch strike or first-pitch ball?
To batters perform better or worse in an AB when they swing at the first pitch?
#1 – Actually, Sexson would be able to cover as much ground in RF as Ibanez does in LF, so why not?
Drayer talked to Bavasi– apparently the interview is up on the KOMO page.
Paraphrasing:
they are talking to other teams, as they have a player designated for assignment; nobody (else) is really ready to make moves yet
it is a player personnel, player performance problem, not a field manager problem
still waiting for someone to step up and be a leader, and then more than one player has to go along — they’re good guys, solid guys, they’re playing hard, they’re working hard, they’re getting out on the field and getting a little scattered.
those kind of leaders are not real common in baseball anymore.
timing? as a team they are not giving up, not giving in; doing it with this nucleus is another question
consequences? what consequences can be worse than what they are going through now? They need to play good baseball three days in a row, they haven’t played clean baseball more than three games in a row since they left spring training
With the offensive struggles of AL second basemen this year, isn’t Lopez (decent defense, .293 avg.) an All-Star by default?
Why the hell is Turbo batting third?
Anyone notice when a runner doesn’t go 1st to 3rd or 3rd to home that the runner has a “good arm” according to Dave Sims?
Uh, Ian Kinsler, Brian Roberts, Dustin Pedrioa. An empty 293 average won’t get you into the All-Star game (or shouldn’t)…
9, I figure that the M’s incompetnace will cost Jose a lot of votes.
There is one thing that they could have accomplished this season, but they missed their chance when Turbo was Mendozing it. they could’ve DFA’ed him and be assured that he won’t take up $$$ next season. But with him resurging and now batting third, I guess they won’t rock that boat, his option will vest, and we’ll b eolder and slower in ‘09.
If Beltre can’t hit that hanging splitter that he got on the first pitch, I don’t know what he can hit (apparently nothing off of Mussina, given his lack of any hits against him in his career).
I have faith that the Turbo option will not vest. I think. I hope.
Vidro at #3!
I have extremely low expectations today.
They just explained Joe’s Tracer on air. There’s 3 cameras that track where the ball crosses the plate and it’s accurate to a half-inch. It is not where the catcher catches the ball. That’s for anyone who doesn’t trust it.
No Mariner will be voted to the All-Star team this year. Ichiro or Ibanez may go as a reserve, but that’s it.
So Blowers is saying that the strike zone is where the ball crosses the front edge of home plate. I thought the zone is 3-dimensional, so that if the ball curves over the plate past the front edge, it’s a strike as well.
Which is it?
Yeah, I forgot about those people.
Not a chance Ichiro doesn’t go to the All Star game. People vote for him out of habit now.
I don’t get it. Why not put Reed in left, Wlad in right, DH Ibanez, and sit Vidro? How tough a decision is this really to make? It’s not like Vidro has spent a ton of time here, and not like he’s a fan favorite or long time Mariner, does he have incriminating photos of Mac doing bad, bad things?
Brad Wilkerson just hit a grand slam.
It is a ’strike’ if “any part of” the ball passes through “any part of” the strike zone, is not struck at and…”when so called by the umpire.”
Official Rules: 2.00 Definition of Terms
If Ichiro started cracking open a nice Japanese beer between innings would anyone really blame him?
To interpret that definition of “strike,” we still need a definition of “strike zone.”
Thanks to MLB’s Little League “every team gets an All-Star” rule, the M’s have to send someone. That means Ichiro goes by default.
Over / under on the number of runs we give up by the end of the fifth inning today?
Haha. There goes that.
4 and 48.
Give a number, and we’ll tell you over or under.
Somebody should put a suicide watch on McLaren.
This team is a joke.
Didn’t someone say that Silva is prone to giving up homeruns to lefthanded hitters?
I think the scouting report for the Yankees’ hitters is “hit the ball at Raul”.
That’s it. I’m having a beer. 2 more runs and I’m breaking out the 120 minute IPA
Productive AB? Why bother making an out against this team? Someone will drive Cano in from 2B anyway.
I dunno, but I said that he was due to give up some more home runs because his HR/FB rate has been abnormally low.
7.
Hey Melky, hit the ball at Raul!
Raul is sure showcasing his range today.
Over.
Time to warm up
Baekdamn it.7.9.Does Mclarean make it home from this trip?
They’ve batted around. Sweet.
Worst road trip in club history?
Is it Dickey time already?
That Bavasi interview is just unbelievable. The same old cliches about needing a “leader.” NO, they need more talent! And to say there’s no FM problem? Has he watched any of the games? The awfulness of McL isn’t subtle; anybody with a minimal knowledge of baseball and a functioning brain can tell this guy has absolutely no business managing. Does Bavasi really believe this nonsense, or is this just PR?
bullpen is so spent, he’s going to keep Silva in no matter what.
It’s PR, even if he believes Mcl is the problem, he will not say that
I think the problem is all of the pitchers need a personal catcher from their own country, state or province. Silva needs a Venezualan catcher like Ramon Hernandez to truly realize his awesome potential. Washburn needs a catcher from Wisconsin, otherwise he’ll stubbornly throw the suck pitch at his own discretion. And Bedard needs an Ontarian catcher, etc.
Fair play to Bavasi:
He is not going to go out there and attack the players and manager that HE hired. That would be Jarrod-Washburn-issue crass.
If he has to mouth meaningless cliches and platitudes to avoid sticking the knife into the back of Sexson, Johjima, Vidro, Raul, Silva, Batista, Washburn, Mac etc, so be it.
Hey, why not? Not like we’re getting any other use out of our bench.
Maybe Geoff Baker could help Bedard with this. He’s spent a little time in Toronto.
I’d love to see Sexson, Vidro, etc. with knives sticking out of their backs. Anything to keep them off the field.
More Catchers! Sign Doug Mirabelli to catch Dickey, bring up Clement again and we have 4! Sure, Ramon Hernandez, bring tons! That’s the problem with our pitching.
I think the bigger problem with the pitching is that the ball rarely makes it all the way to the catcher.
Men on base for the fearsome #3 hitter.
That’s not a knife, it’s a spoon.
I see you’ve played knifey-spoony before!
That’s how I feel about our FO, GM, and Mac. We’re proud of them when they can identify the difference between a knife and a spoon.
Fuck. Vidro homers. Worst possible result.
The Apocalypse is nigh.
TURBO!
There is hope on earth.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Life, you win.
Oh my god. HR? That’s like the worst thing that could happen to this franchise.
If we go with an 11 man pitching rotation then we could have six catchers, yes? That still limits us a little because ideally we could give Putz his own catcher, but the bullpen’s catcher needs to be Mirabelli, for Dickey. Putz would, however, have his choice of the starters’ catchers.
So, our DH now has 3 home runs. Fearsome!
Nice 1st hit off of Mussina for Adrian.
My goodness, strange things happening!
F-that. Ichiro will catch Putz.
Is AB an all star?
obviously I’m now having a beer with every single game. Who knew I could get this kind of result.
Wow, you know, the Mariners should sign Mussina. Gritty, Vet, Gamer…over the hill, off the cliff, living on name only. That’s a Mariner!
Is that tea or SP Lager in my morning cup.?
I pop over to the scoreboard and see Jose Vidro and Brad Wilkerson with early morning home runs.
Ah, so that’s why they called up Reed.
Okay, Richie, nice and sexy. Chicks dig the long ball.
Ugh. I know it’s tough when they throw them right down the middle at all of 87 mph Richie, but try to get a swing on it, who knows? You might get a hit!
…and Sexson remains below the elusive Mendoza Line.
I just noticed that Reed has already moved ahead of Sexson in the lineup. I would assume that this meant something if the lineups didn’t look like something my dog barfed up.
A-Rod, Matsui, Thong Man.
Let’s go Silva(???)!
The thong song from a few years ago should be Giambi’s at bat song. That’d be hilarious.
jzal-I’d have to think at some point when the yanks are on the road someone is going to do just that.
Sadly, I can’t imagine a major league stadium crew willing to do that. If only the Yankees had a series with the Oregon Ducks. I bet that they’d be willing to do it.
Carlos Silva dumps like a truck.
On Schtick, that was awesome.
I’d love to find out how many times this year the M’s have either tied or taken a lead in a game and then given up the lead in the very next inning. It seems to happen in every game they tie or lead.
I’m just going to ask this, what exactly was the benefit of having Mel Stots on the team again?
Over/under:
7 98.Gah, Wlison’s kid’s baseball team back in NH sounds about as bad as the M’s…he just mentioned that they were behind 22-3 in third inning.
CAPTAIN OF THE NEW YORK YANKEES, Abreu, A-Rod.
This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Carlos Silva; you’re my only hope.
*Wilson*
Name autocorrected by a blog dork who was typing too fast.
Over/under:
7 9 87.Only two thirds of an inning to go for Silva and this is the most successful start of any Mariner pitcher on this road trip!
They figured that, at some point in the season, the 3-5 starters would get so wretchedly bad that they’d have to activate Mel after thirty-some years of retirement and put him in the rotation.
@ pygmalion
And we’re down, 5-4. You forgot to add “and we’re down 5-4.”
Still can’t believe we’ve scored 4 runs.
New suggestion for Mac–allow players to drink before, during, and after the game!
91: What could it hurt? After all, it worked for the early-70’s Oakland A’s.
I would fly to Seattle from D.C. to go to Safeco to see Sexson, bases loaded, 2 out, 0-2 count, call time, step back, and pull a flask out to take a huge slug, then step up and hit a grand slam. Great idea jguier.
Hey, I’m just happy that Girardi isn’t alreadying substituting in the defensive replacements yet.
Yeah, or that MacLaren isn’t just “getting guys some work.”
Well, look on the bright side…unlike the last four rounds of bloody carnage, at least this one sort of resembles a “real” game thus far.
Woo! 5 innings pitched, 5 runs given up!
Whoever took the under, won the pot.
The pot is filled with a stew made from old sneakers and orange newts. Sorry.
Uh oh, a good pitcher.
I don’t know if anybody’s mentioned it the past couple of days or not, but Dan Wilson actually sounds halfway decent behind a microphone. He sounds light years ahead of Blowers, as a matter of fact.
Though I suppose if he was doing the gig full-time, the Souless Minions of Homerdom would find some way to corrupt him.
#97
Silva’s lunch?
Well, good going, J-Lo!
E4
Gotta love giving the middle of the order an extra out.
Yup, saw that coming.
Nice job pitching to contact, Silva.
C’mon M’s. Give up one more run and we don’t have to see Rivera!
Oops, guess I spoke too soon about this resembling a “real” game…here comes the bloody carnage!
I still love seeing A-Rod look like a fool at the plate. That never gets old.
Maybe our collapses are just moving from the early-mid game to the late-mid game.
Be interesting to see if the Mariners have any home support left in the series against Boston. I expect more Sox fans than usual, which is a lot.
That is why he’s “hot” (eyes rolling).
When referencing the rec-league ball fields located across the street from Yankee Stadium, Wilson mentioned how it was interesting to be pulling out of the stadium after a day game to see a group of kids playing a sandlot game and probably dreaming about being in the big leagues.
Hmm…the way the M’s are playing these days, maybe they should be across the street at the sandlot.
husky-love seeing Arod look like a fool? Petty, much?
I love the people who want to hate a guy for taking $250 million, as if they somehow, someway would have turned it down.
Ridiculous.
Back to the game, does anyone have any hope when we’re behind late? I sure don’t.
How’s that working out, Mel?
I can confirm that they do NOT have SP Lager or any other kind of Papua New Guinea beer at Big Star Beer Market on Northgate at Aurora. Lots of yummy bottle-conditioned Belgian and Brit ales, though. I think I’ll try some until I start to believe I’m a lucky Devil Rays fan.
KILL IT, RAUL! KILL IT! STAMP ON ITS HEAD!
You’re a terrible bandwagoner. It’s “Rays.”
Yep…sure glad they dumped Sherrill and kept Rhodes.
Note to John McLaren: we might have a couple World’s Championships if Lou hadn’t gone to Arthur in Yankee Stadium. What makes you think he can pitch there now?
I feel like a bad Mariner fan, but I can’t wait for LAAAAAAAA’s game to start so I can see some decent baseball.
No, it’s still Devil Rays. The team has no say in the matter.
Jeter is so not clutch.
Blowers: “Looks like the hitters are wearing out left-center field today”.
No, really???
Well, I’ve had enough. I’m going to go do something productive now, like go to work.
I think I’ll just handicap the Mariners for the rest of the season. Like golf, or bowling. Then I can pretend they’re on the same level as the teams they play. This is (almost) unbelievable.
Though I have found one silver lining. When it’s this bad, Sims loses that manic edge to his voice. What he says still annoys the shit out of me, however.
I propose a new promotion. Barf bags! With the day’s starting pitcher on the inside bottom.
For the seventh inning retch.
Seventh inning retch. That’s good.
125: I’d love to see a starter still in the game in the seventh.
Actually, I can’t wait for 5 o’clock to roll around — when Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Finals between the Red Wings and Penguins comes on. Even if you’re not really into hockey, at least they’re playing for something worthwhile rather than just playing out a freakin’ string with over 100 games left to go.
Yankee announcer just said,
“That’s ‘the Epitomy of Mel.’”
Which is funny.
Hey, that’s not a bad idea…they could come complete with the Compass Rose logo already on them!
Also, have them available at the team store afterwards. It’s gonna be a LOOOOOOONG and bloody season!
What the heck is Sims talking about. “Just when you think they’re about to turn the corner”?
Who the hell taught Reed to work the count like that? Is he trying to get sent back to Tacoma? A true Mariner swings at every pitch regardless of location!
131: Yes, but it’s a blind corner on a one-lane road — with a semi coming head-on from the other direction!
No kidding right. The corner is not even in sight.
132: Yuni’s been doing that a bit, too. Luckily, we have true Mariners like Kenji.
YEEEE-HAAAAW, RICHIE!!!
WOW! I just LOOOOVE those irrelevant Sexy HR’s!
A homerun. Sexy. I’m not even excited.
Richie – Too little, too late. Thanks for the effort big guy!
Awww, Kyle Farnsworth felt sorry for us. How sweet.
Maybe Farnsworth hadn’t been checking the standings, mistakenly thought we were somehow “in contention”, and was auditioning for Bavasi to pick him up as one of this season’s late-inning Gas Cans.
As Derek told me last season, winning is never inevitable. I don’t expect these guys to win, I don’t even expect them to play well. At least they go out every day because it’s their job. How insane am I not to just turn them off? Sigh.
Morrow is looking a lot better this season than last. However, given that this year is toast, does it make sense to send him to AAA and work on turning him into a starter? It’s pretty obvious that Silva and Batista aren’t the answers at the back end of the rotation.
Somebody in the front office has to start building for years after 2008.
Blue puts us out of our misery.
Oh, heck, they fixed it.
As a Red Sox fan, this serious was one of those enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend deals. I’m very disappointed. Bedard was very tough on the yankees last year. Silva? Ehh. I guess I might have predicted his getting rocked. But, Bedard?!?
And, #132, I honestly believe that the teams that show a lot of discipline at the plate actually sort of shame the hacking teams into greater patience. I’ve got no numbers to prove it but my fan’s sense of things is that after one of the high walk total or pitches per plate appearance guys battles one of their pitchers for 11 pitches, they feel slightly guilty about hacking away immediately. I don’t mean to suggest that I think this is what happened in Reed’s at bat but I think it goes on, in general, when one of the OBP teams faces one of the hacking teams.
Gee, that was the most entertaining moment of the game.
It’s quite obvious by Beltre laughing at the plate that his leadership skills are lacking. Therefore, I think it’s Silva’s job to throw him under the bus for his horrible start.
This series not this “serious”. sigh. Where did that come from?
132 & 145: Maybe Jeremy’s actually trying to get DFA’s by this organization — so he can wind up with Oakland as an “undervalued” guy and bat .280 down there.
at least they have the mercy rule.
sigh. it was a tied game when last I heard.
I went to the game today. I have tickets tomorrow. I almost don’t want to go.
What is the protocol on wearing a paper bag over your head at a road game?
Ring Lardner used “serious” for series in most of his stories. I figured you were just channeling him….