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		<title>By: don52656</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/02/necessary-records/comment-page-2/#comment-278426</link>
		<dc:creator>don52656</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be totally stunned if the M&#039;s made it back to .500 this year.  It&#039;s more likely that they&#039;ll lose 100 games....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be totally stunned if the M&#8217;s made it back to .500 this year.  It&#8217;s more likely that they&#8217;ll lose 100 games&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/02/necessary-records/comment-page-2/#comment-278309</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But he&#039;s &lt;i&gt;averaging&lt;/i&gt; third place.  And dropping.

The M&#039;s are 21-37, .362, which projects out to 58-104.  With a $118M payroll, that projects out to $2M/win.  That&#039;s Yankees territory.  In fact, Yankees $/win the last five years:
2007	...	2.02M
2006	...	2.01M
2005	...	2.19M
2004	...	1.82M
2003	...	1.51M
And note that’s evidence of deep pockets, not bad play: those Yankees teams won well over 90 games each of those seasons.  No other team in the history of baseball has wasted that much money in pursuit of fewer wins; the next highest is the 66 win 2003 Mets (1.78M/win) and last year&#039;s 72 win White Sox ($1.51M/win).  Spending $2M per win and not reaching even 60 wins would be some kind of spectacular new benchmark in inefficiency.

And frankly, I don&#039;t think the M&#039;s are &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; bad.  I&#039;d like to think they could still pull it together and reach .500, but that&#039;s an increasingly distant prospect.  To do that, they&#039;d have to go 60-44 (.577) the rest of the way, which doesn&#039;t sound that difficult unless you&#039;ve been paying attention to the litany of incompetence this team has been demonstrating so far this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But he&#8217;s <i>averaging</i> third place.  And dropping.</p>
<p>The M&#8217;s are 21-37, .362, which projects out to 58-104.  With a $118M payroll, that projects out to $2M/win.  That&#8217;s Yankees territory.  In fact, Yankees $/win the last five years:<br />
2007	&#8230;	2.02M<br />
2006	&#8230;	2.01M<br />
2005	&#8230;	2.19M<br />
2004	&#8230;	1.82M<br />
2003	&#8230;	1.51M<br />
And note that’s evidence of deep pockets, not bad play: those Yankees teams won well over 90 games each of those seasons.  No other team in the history of baseball has wasted that much money in pursuit of fewer wins; the next highest is the 66 win 2003 Mets (1.78M/win) and last year&#8217;s 72 win White Sox ($1.51M/win).  Spending $2M per win and not reaching even 60 wins would be some kind of spectacular new benchmark in inefficiency.</p>
<p>And frankly, I don&#8217;t think the M&#8217;s are <i>that</i> bad.  I&#8217;d like to think they could still pull it together and reach .500, but that&#8217;s an increasingly distant prospect.  To do that, they&#8217;d have to go 60-44 (.577) the rest of the way, which doesn&#8217;t sound that difficult unless you&#8217;ve been paying attention to the litany of incompetence this team has been demonstrating so far this year.</p>
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		<title>By: don52656</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/02/necessary-records/comment-page-2/#comment-278298</link>
		<dc:creator>don52656</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was kind of wondering about Bavasi&#039;s record as GM when he was with the Angels.  I knew that he has never GM&#039;d a playoff team.  What I didn&#039;t know is that he has never had a team finish 3rd, either!

Angels (1994-1999):  4th, 2nd, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 4th
M&#039;s (2003-2008):  2nd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, sure looks like 4th.

So, in 11 years, five 2nd&#039;s, 6 4th&#039;s.  Assuming that we finish 4th again this year, that&#039;ll be 7 last-place finishes in 12 years as a GM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was kind of wondering about Bavasi&#8217;s record as GM when he was with the Angels.  I knew that he has never GM&#8217;d a playoff team.  What I didn&#8217;t know is that he has never had a team finish 3rd, either!</p>
<p>Angels (1994-1999):  4th, 2nd, 4th, 2nd, 2nd, 4th<br />
M&#8217;s (2003-2008):  2nd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 2nd, sure looks like 4th.</p>
<p>So, in 11 years, five 2nd&#8217;s, 6 4th&#8217;s.  Assuming that we finish 4th again this year, that&#8217;ll be 7 last-place finishes in 12 years as a GM.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/02/necessary-records/comment-page-2/#comment-278256</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;it was up the stairs, thus increasing the difficulty quotient.&lt;/i&gt;

So &lt;i&gt;that&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; why he got such a high score from the East German judge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>it was up the stairs, thus increasing the difficulty quotient.</i></p>
<p>So <i>that&#8217;s</i> why he got such a high score from the East German judge!</p>
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		<title>By: msb</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/02/necessary-records/comment-page-2/#comment-278248</link>
		<dc:creator>msb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see &lt;a href=&quot;http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080602&amp;content_id=2819212&amp;vkey=allstar2008&amp;fext=.jsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Josh Hamilton &lt;/a&gt; has bumped Ichiro! to third in the AL AS voting ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see <a href="http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080602&amp;content_id=2819212&amp;vkey=allstar2008&amp;fext=.jsp" rel="nofollow">Josh Hamilton </a> has bumped Ichiro! to third in the AL AS voting &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pygmalion</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/02/necessary-records/comment-page-2/#comment-278234</link>
		<dc:creator>pygmalion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What a loser.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A guy who refuses to pay child support and tries to lie his way out of it on Judge Judy is a loser.  Richie Sexson simply isn&#039;t a very good baseball player anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What a loser.</p></blockquote>
<p>A guy who refuses to pay child support and tries to lie his way out of it on Judge Judy is a loser.  Richie Sexson simply isn&#8217;t a very good baseball player anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Ballfour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ballfour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bring on &#039;The Babe&#039; cause I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll have mass cases of South Pacific, 
SP Lager and Niugini Ice!  YEAH BABY!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bring on &#8216;The Babe&#8217; cause I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll have mass cases of South Pacific,<br />
SP Lager and Niugini Ice!  YEAH BABY!!</p>
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		<title>By: bratman</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/02/necessary-records/comment-page-2/#comment-278206</link>
		<dc:creator>bratman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>46 - that is outrageously depressing - but well deserved. hopefully Sexson wont be a member of the 100/100 club (100 k&#039;s and less than 100 hits).

What a loser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>46 &#8211; that is outrageously depressing &#8211; but well deserved. hopefully Sexson wont be a member of the 100/100 club (100 k&#8217;s and less than 100 hits).</p>
<p>What a loser.</p>
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		<title>By: G-Man</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/02/necessary-records/comment-page-2/#comment-278204</link>
		<dc:creator>G-Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The optimism for redeeming the season won&#039;t abate from the M&#039;s org anytime soon. There are too many tickets left to sell. That alone will keep them from giving up anytime soon. However, some of the moves we talk about wouldn&#039;t necessarily be giving up and looking ahead to 2009, they could as easily be trying to improve for the current season, so we can still hope for changes.

As far as the win % needed to catch the Angels, I&#039;d throw in some % figures for 89, 88, 87, even 86 wins. Sure it means the A&#039;s getting caught too, and the Angels would have to play below .500 in some cases, but that&#039;s more realistic than the M&#039;s playing like the old Yankees.

Wait a minute, Edgar and Boone are available - they could turn into the 2001 Mariners!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The optimism for redeeming the season won&#8217;t abate from the M&#8217;s org anytime soon. There are too many tickets left to sell. That alone will keep them from giving up anytime soon. However, some of the moves we talk about wouldn&#8217;t necessarily be giving up and looking ahead to 2009, they could as easily be trying to improve for the current season, so we can still hope for changes.</p>
<p>As far as the win % needed to catch the Angels, I&#8217;d throw in some % figures for 89, 88, 87, even 86 wins. Sure it means the A&#8217;s getting caught too, and the Angels would have to play below .500 in some cases, but that&#8217;s more realistic than the M&#8217;s playing like the old Yankees.</p>
<p>Wait a minute, Edgar and Boone are available &#8211; they could turn into the 2001 Mariners!</p>
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		<title>By: themedia</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/02/necessary-records/comment-page-1/#comment-278203</link>
		<dc:creator>themedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm... Who&#039;s like Babe Ruth, only without the &quot;dead&quot; thing? Barry Bonds? If only he were available in some kind of trade. What&#039;s that you say? He&#039;s a free agent? Well, unless Bavasi works out a way to send six top prospects to free agency in exchange for Bonds, it ain&#039;t happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230; Who&#8217;s like Babe Ruth, only without the &#8220;dead&#8221; thing? Barry Bonds? If only he were available in some kind of trade. What&#8217;s that you say? He&#8217;s a free agent? Well, unless Bavasi works out a way to send six top prospects to free agency in exchange for Bonds, it ain&#8217;t happening.</p>
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