Comments on: Nail, Meet Coffin

By: NODO Dweller

NODO Dweller — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:40:50 +0000

tomas –

I think you missed a key element in your question (the same one the FO does BTW).

but it sure seems like a lot of formerly good players come to the M’s and stink

The FO only seems to value past performance. Picking up an injured and/or declining former All-Star and expecting them to perform like they did at their peak is a madness pervasive in this organization.

By: CCW

CCW — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:02:26 +0000

Anyone see Ned Yost’s comments. They’re virtually identical to McLaren’s, and further evidence that you really shouldn’t too much attention to what these guy’s say… they all say the same things (and so would you, probably, in their shoes):

“We’re all frustrated by the way this season has gone so far for the most part,” Yost said. “I know we’re a better team than our record shows, and I know the guys in our clubhouse feel the same way. The frustrating part for us is that we’ve been going about our business the right way, playing the game like it’s supposed to be played but we just haven’t always gotten the results. It hasn’t been a case of guys not putting forth the effort and coasting. It’s tough when you bust your butt every single day and don’t have as much to show for it as you think you should.”

By: tomas

tomas — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:44:01 +0000

Anyone have any stats on players before and after their time with the M’s? It might be just that I noticed because they were M’s players, but it sure seems like a lot of good players come to the M’s and stink, and average players leave the M’s and do better. This is the culture of losing thing I’ve ranted about before that only seemed to be somewhat canceled out by Gillick/Piniella.

By: bratman

bratman — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:04:12 +0000

42 -

They might write an open letter back along the lines of what President Bush would write back:

“Bitch all you want, jokes on you guys! I have been President for 8 years!”

Or:

“JJ Putz Train Night’ draws 38k, Armstrong ain’t going nowhere and the joke is still on you”

By: Jeff Nye

Jeff Nye — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:01:04 +0000

You can probably call the appropriate paper’s ad sales department if you want to find out; that being said, there’s a chance that they might not run the ad based on content, considering how closely tied the Times and PI are to the team.

I know there’s a couple media types hanging about, anyone want to weigh in on this?

By: Joe

Joe — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:59:40 +0000

I fully support the “open letter to the M’s FO” idea. Respectful, of course, but direct and demanding. We could all sign it. Or better yet, each send such a letter individually. Flood their inboxes with a clear message that we refuse to passively watch this crappy management run the team into the ground any more.

Anybody know what it costs to buy, say, a half-page ad in the PI or Times? That should be large enough for a “we, the undersigned passionate Mariners fans” open letter. The internet has more real reach, but the physical media is going to have far more impact on the cave-dwelling old folks in the upper reaches of M’s management.

By: joser

joser — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:55:47 +0000

Based on his track record, this team is only performing slightly below average for Bavasi-led teams. So what’s the problem? Oh, yeah, the other teams in the league aren’t led by Bavasi.

By: pygmalion

pygmalion — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:42:57 +0000

The M’s thought that about 50 AB’s were enough to evaluate Clement, so your argument ought to be good enough for them.

Lacking any adequate players to offer, M’s trade $100 million in cash for Zambrano and insert him at first base: “He’s got the hot hand! Look at that OPS! That’s what you statheads love, right?” Fast forward three months:

“…It turns out that Zambrano isn’t our answer at first base; but how could anyone have known?”

By: bratman

bratman — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:22:29 +0000

I think the nail in the coffin also exists when there is legitimate argument that Carlos Zambrano is a better hitter than nearly every one of our offensive players

.366 / .366 / .537 / .903 in over 40 AB’s

… oh and that he is better than every pitcher we have too

2.51 ERA / 1.22 WHIP with an 8-1 record ad 57 k’s

hahaha, now that is dark comedy the likes of which I’ve only seen this year in No Country for Old Men

By: Kunkoh

Kunkoh — Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:29:12 +0000

This reminds me of that commercial with the chimps dancing in the board room around a graph that shows their sales (wins) going up. The lone human tells them they have it wrong, and turns it the correct direction. Music stops. Chimps stare at him; then turn the chart the wrong way again. Music & dancing resume.

Reality is apparently => that way.