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	<title>Comments on: The person responsible for the players was ordered to enjoy a delicious beer</title>
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		<title>By: bongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>bongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The events of the last few days have been extremely depressing.  The solution to having such a terrible team is not for the management to create a unprofessional environment where even the good players feel demeaned and unappreciated.  It&#039;s to take a more sensible approach to roster construction. 

Can we start a thread on some intelligent moves that the team could take to improve the defense?  The most obvious moves are to move Ibanez from LF to DH, play Reed regularly, and find a better first baseman.  However, the defensive problems go deeper than just LF and 1B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The events of the last few days have been extremely depressing.  The solution to having such a terrible team is not for the management to create a unprofessional environment where even the good players feel demeaned and unappreciated.  It&#8217;s to take a more sensible approach to roster construction. </p>
<p>Can we start a thread on some intelligent moves that the team could take to improve the defense?  The most obvious moves are to move Ibanez from LF to DH, play Reed regularly, and find a better first baseman.  However, the defensive problems go deeper than just LF and 1B.</p>
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		<title>By: sealclubber253</title>
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		<dc:creator>sealclubber253</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Fine. But is your performance quantified and recorded for all time? Can anybody who knows how to spell your name look up exactly how you did your job on any given day?&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, ever week numbers are sent out to everyone in the company to show every employees performance for that period.  It also shows your pay and where you rank among the other 175+ employees of the company.  But I think you missed the point. The point is it doesn&#039;t help anyone to point fingers of blame at them. It helps to coach them to do a better job.  This stunt was very unperductive and won&#039;t help the moral of the club one bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Fine. But is your performance quantified and recorded for all time? Can anybody who knows how to spell your name look up exactly how you did your job on any given day?</em></p>
<p>Yes, ever week numbers are sent out to everyone in the company to show every employees performance for that period.  It also shows your pay and where you rank among the other 175+ employees of the company.  But I think you missed the point. The point is it doesn&#8217;t help anyone to point fingers of blame at them. It helps to coach them to do a better job.  This stunt was very unperductive and won&#8217;t help the moral of the club one bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Elwood P. Dowd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elwood P. Dowd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blatant appeals to racism aside, does anyone really want an extremely hands-on owner, such as Charles O. Finley?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blatant appeals to racism aside, does anyone really want an extremely hands-on owner, such as Charles O. Finley?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Bavasi, McLaren, and the Mariners players think the press here in Seattle being a witness to all this dysfunction is burdensome, just wait &#039;til they get to Boston.  Reading some of the articles in the Boston Herald and the Globe online ought to be interesting, to say the least.  They usually are brutal to their own hometown team if that team is anything but spectacular -- they won&#039;t hold anything back writing about the Mariners...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bavasi, McLaren, and the Mariners players think the press here in Seattle being a witness to all this dysfunction is burdensome, just wait &#8217;til they get to Boston.  Reading some of the articles in the Boston Herald and the Globe online ought to be interesting, to say the least.  They usually are brutal to their own hometown team if that team is anything but spectacular &#8212; they won&#8217;t hold anything back writing about the Mariners&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Arkinese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arkinese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 10:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;that stunt lowered him a notch or two in my eyes. I hope to hear him apologize for it soon - he’s under a lot of stress and I can certainly understand a momentary lapse of judgement. But he really does need to apologize to the players, they are not children.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I find very interesting that after McLaren went off on his tirade, Bavasi tells the &lt;em&gt;press&lt;/em&gt; that &quot;he could have said that a month ago.&quot;

Why in the world is Bavasi telling the press that? Why did he have to make it public? And why is he saying that a month after he supposedly wanted to McLaren to drop a bunch of F-bombs to give the illusion that things are going to change around here, %&amp;#*$^@&amp;*!

While Bavasi may have &lt;em&gt;been&lt;/em&gt; a nice guy except for that bumbling idiocy that is his baseball managing, I think he&#039;s finally getting to the point where he has to throw McLaren under the bus to save his job.

This may bode well for the purging of the front office (Bill does it, then Chuck does it, etc.) but it makes Bavasi even more of a delusional jerk still running the team. Not only do the players have to &quot;take responsibility&quot; for his mess but geez, guys, Mac could have said that a month ago and that&#039;s the &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; problem here! Swear up a storm earlier in the season, Johnny! Come on!(™GOB, Arrested Development)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>that stunt lowered him a notch or two in my eyes. I hope to hear him apologize for it soon &#8211; he’s under a lot of stress and I can certainly understand a momentary lapse of judgement. But he really does need to apologize to the players, they are not children.</p></blockquote>
<p>I find very interesting that after McLaren went off on his tirade, Bavasi tells the <em>press</em> that &#8220;he could have said that a month ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why in the world is Bavasi telling the press that? Why did he have to make it public? And why is he saying that a month after he supposedly wanted to McLaren to drop a bunch of F-bombs to give the illusion that things are going to change around here, %&amp;#*$^@&amp;*!</p>
<p>While Bavasi may have <em>been</em> a nice guy except for that bumbling idiocy that is his baseball managing, I think he&#8217;s finally getting to the point where he has to throw McLaren under the bus to save his job.</p>
<p>This may bode well for the purging of the front office (Bill does it, then Chuck does it, etc.) but it makes Bavasi even more of a delusional jerk still running the team. Not only do the players have to &#8220;take responsibility&#8221; for his mess but geez, guys, Mac could have said that a month ago and that&#8217;s the <em>real</em> problem here! Swear up a storm earlier in the season, Johnny! Come on!(™GOB, Arrested Development)</p>
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		<title>By: Evan R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;[MARINERS ITS MARINERS NO APOSTROPHE ARRGGHHHH]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This moderator was so blinded by no-apostrophe rage that he left one out of &quot;it&#039;s.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>[MARINERS ITS MARINERS NO APOSTROPHE ARRGGHHHH]</p></blockquote>
<p>This moderator was so blinded by no-apostrophe rage that he left one out of &#8220;it&#8217;s.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JMHawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMHawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 08:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt; [MARINERS ITS MARINERS NO APOSTROPHE ARRGGHHHH]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But apostrophe and castastrophe are so close.  And clearly the catastrophe key is stuck in the down position on Bavasi&#039;s keyboard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em> [MARINERS ITS MARINERS NO APOSTROPHE ARRGGHHHH]</em></p></blockquote>
<p>But apostrophe and castastrophe are so close.  And clearly the catastrophe key is stuck in the down position on Bavasi&#8217;s keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 07:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I work in a performance based environment. &lt;/i&gt;

Fine.  But is your performance quantified and recorded for all time?  Can anybody who knows how to spell your name look up exactly how you did your job on any given day?  Are your performances totalled at the end of the year, added to your career totals, and compared to all your peers who have ever done your job over the last hundred+ years?  If you do really, really well over the course of your career, is there a place that thousands of people visit every year where they&#039;ll put up a plaque with your likeness and accomplishments?  In short, are you working for just a paycheck, or are there larger forces at work that might cause you to strive and take pride in your performance even on the worst days, and the worst years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I work in a performance based environment. </i></p>
<p>Fine.  But is your performance quantified and recorded for all time?  Can anybody who knows how to spell your name look up exactly how you did your job on any given day?  Are your performances totalled at the end of the year, added to your career totals, and compared to all your peers who have ever done your job over the last hundred+ years?  If you do really, really well over the course of your career, is there a place that thousands of people visit every year where they&#8217;ll put up a plaque with your likeness and accomplishments?  In short, are you working for just a paycheck, or are there larger forces at work that might cause you to strive and take pride in your performance even on the worst days, and the worst years?</p>
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		<title>By: enazario</title>
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		<dc:creator>enazario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guaranteed contracts are the way things are done in MLB. It&#039;s not like the [MARINERS ITS MARINERS NO APOSTROPHE ARRGGHHHH] are the only organization doing this. I don&#039;t like guaranteed contracts but the rules apply to all teams in the Majors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guaranteed contracts are the way things are done in MLB. It&#8217;s not like the [MARINERS ITS MARINERS NO APOSTROPHE ARRGGHHHH] are the only organization doing this. I don&#8217;t like guaranteed contracts but the rules apply to all teams in the Majors.</p>
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		<title>By: John D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Maybe it’s time to start a letter writing campaign to Paul Allen. The Blazers have had their issues but the Seahawks’ front office seems like a pretty well-oiled machine to me.&lt;/em&gt;

Doesn&#039;t MLB have a prohibition
against owning both an NFL and MLB team? 
Or do you propose that Allen sell the Seahawks ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Maybe it’s time to start a letter writing campaign to Paul Allen. The Blazers have had their issues but the Seahawks’ front office seems like a pretty well-oiled machine to me.</em></p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t MLB have a prohibition<br />
against owning both an NFL and MLB team?<br />
Or do you propose that Allen sell the Seahawks ?</p>
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