Comments on: All-Time All-Mariner Roster: Catcher

By: chimera

chimera — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:38:46 +0000

Randy only started 8 games in 1996; that was the year he had the first back injury. So Wilson in 1996 shouldn’t get much credit for having to catch the Big Unit. Plus that’s the year we got Moyer.

Fair enough, I was thinking of 1997 not 1996. I was sitting in the front row, next to first base the night he struck out 19 batters … and Mark McGwire bounced one of his fast balls off the back wall of the Kingdome, below or near the Jumbotron or whatever the screen was called. That was the hardest hit ball I’ve ever seen. It was more like a line drive and it seemed as if it was still rising. I remember the big unit standing there and said something like “Wow”. But even with 19 strike outs, he still lost the game.

In any case, I suppose my opinion is tainted, in watching Wilson stopping a lot of nasty pitches from Randy over the years.

I still have to vote for Wilson though.

By: Jeff Nye

Jeff Nye — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:52:35 +0000

Apologies for the somewhat messy comment thread, those of you who are actually interested in discussing the topic; some people have difficulty understanding relatively simple concepts.

By: mstaples

mstaples — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:49:16 +0000

[it's still ot]

By: normstradamus

normstradamus — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:47:46 +0000

[ot]

By: DMZ

DMZ — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:52:00 +0000

Yeah, I think 96 and 97 are both equally good choices, and I can see the case for 97, as some metrics have him a little ahead on offense in that year, while others go for 1996. I’d be happy with either answer, though I went with 96.

By: Steve T

Steve T — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:43:08 +0000

It was; his OPS+ was 96 in ‘97, 94 in ‘96. That’s got park and league in it.

By: JI

JI — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 22:39:24 +0000

In what way are we saying Wilson hit better in 1997? His “triple-slash” stats were down across the board.

My guess would be that it was better when weighted against the quality of the league.

By: mstaples

mstaples — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:53:12 +0000

[ot]

By: Mike Snow

Mike Snow — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:20:33 +0000

In what way are we saying Wilson hit better in 1997? His “triple-slash” stats were down across the board.

By: bob montgomery

bob montgomery — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:06:55 +0000

so have we agreed that Wilson’s 96 season is the best season a Mariner catcher has ever had?

Someone tell me how Dan Wilson 1996 was better than Dan Wilson 1997.

See #10 for details, but basically: Hit better. Ran better. Threw out more basestealers. Threw out a higher percentage of baserunners. Played more. Fewer passed balls. (More wild pitches, so that’s an argument against.) What else am I missing?

Sure, he was an All-Star in 1996, but they won more games and went to the playoffs in 1997.