Swept at hoooome by the Nationals
DMZ · June 15, 2008 at 4:31 pm · Filed Under Mariners
Write “we suck” on a paper bag, cut out two eyeholes, and head on down to Safeco Field for three games against the 37-32 Marlins.
From the Pocket guide to McLaren firing dates:
Assuming that they want to do the traditional Viking funeral, where they set the manager on fire and the team off on a road trip away from fans, here are your next two opportunities:
June 19th, after the Boston/Toronto road trip and Washington/Florida home stand
Three games against Florida ahead. What bone are they going to throw the braying wolves, assuming they don’t sweep? Sexson or Vidro released? Another coach fired? Even… McLaren?
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I’m sure it’s just my imagination, but it sure seems that a majority of recent runs have come from the other team making an error and saving the Ms from getting themselves out.
that’s so sad … a fan just called to say they had driven from Richland to watch the friday & saturday games.
On the bright side, at least the Nationals are worse than we are.
In what sense?
Yeah, they’re four games better than us, and they just swept us in our own ballpark. Doesn’t sound like “worse” to me.
I’d pay anything to be a fly on the wall in the M’s offices tomorrow morning. Or maybe right now. I’ll bet everyone is coming in at odd hours trying to get their resumes off the printer when no one else is looking.
Thanks USS Mariner for hosting a meeting that got me fired up about the M’s again. As a reward I watched those last two games and got irritated all over again…
Less talent, inferior league.
Then how come they crushed us in our park?
Sub-prime stars sale?
“Sub-prime.” Hee.
It’s not just that the team stinks. It’s also that they give fans so little reason to care. Let’s compare: the 1992 team was one of the worst ever (by record), but you could come to the Dome and see future stars, or even Hall of Famers, like RJ, Griffey, Edgar, Buhner, Vizquel, etc. There was a reason to be excited. But this year’s version, trying to avoid a sweep by the NL’s worst (at home, no less), sends out Vidro at DH, Cairo at 1B, and WFB at SS. Really, why give a shit? Besides Felix and Ichiro, maybe Morrow, they could DFA the whole team and come out net ahead.
We suck as well, SSS.
Oh Derek! How you do love to tease us so!
The M’s have a team payroll of $116,876,482 and 24 wins.
The Nats have a team payroll of $54,166,000 and 28 wins.
That sensible comparison indicates a greater degree of sucktitude on the M’s part.
I predict that come season’s end the 2008 Mariners will have the worst payroll-to-win ratio in the history of MLB and that the dubious distinction will stand for several years, despite ever-increasing payrolls.
Just when being swept at home by the Nats feels like being at the bottom of the barrel I go to the Mariners’ homepage. When I see Carlos Silva staring back at me in the Probable Starters box I realized things can always get worse.
MARLINS MANAGER FREDI GONZALEZ COMPARES MARINERS TO 1927 YANKEES – AP
#14 — a fair comparison, I think. Two teams of stiffs.
I tune out for four days. I come back to
– a sweep by the (g)Nats
– talk of Reed at first
– Lincoln claiming to have stats people on staff
Insane. Unreal. Comical. Pathetic.
We need to trade for Everett’s own Travis Snider.
A couple weeks ago, I thought it was absurd to suggest that the Mariners’ ineptitude, impressive as it was, could compare to the ineptitude of the Knicks. I’m reconsidering.
I wonder if there’s another organization backward enough to believe Bavasi had the right ideas and was just a victim of bad luck. I wonder if there’s another GM job for him anywhere.
Who knows? The old boy network in baseball is pretty strong.
Then again, I can’t really believe he still has a job HERE.
I agree, the old boy network is strong. But I don’t know if it’s strong enough to overcome this level of failure and lack of accountability. It’s one thing if you have some past record of success to fall back on. All Bavasi really has is his father’s name; and even his name means less and less to the increasingly savvy baseball management world that’s quickly leaving the Mariners in the dust.
I think a lot of people still want to give him credit for the success of the Angels while he was there, so his “track record” might not seem as bad to those who make baseball’s hiring decisions as you might think.
That being said, as long as he doesn’t continue to have a job here (although I felt a little bad when Bob Fontaine made it clear at the feed that he didn’t want Bavasi to go anywhere), I don’t care where else he ends up.
Heck, I wouldn’t mind if he did end up somewhere else so we could try to have our new and presumably smarter GM try to make some trades with him.
The success of the Angels while he was there
Excuse me? Bavasi’s record with the Angels:
1999 ...70-92 (.432) ...4th
1998 ...85-77 (.525) ...2nd
1997 ...84-78 (.519) ...2nd
1996 ...70-91 (.435) ...4th
1995 ...78-67 (.538) ...2nd
1994 ...47-68 (.409) ...4th
Total: 434-473 (.476)
Maybe he laid the foundation for their World Series run 3 years after he left. And maybe they never would’ve gotten there if he’d stuck around to screw things up. (Perhaps, if things fall as they should, we can hope for an M’s WS run in 2011). But: three last place and three second place finishes in six years, and an overall losing record, doesn’t describe “success” to me. Though, granted, it apparently does to Lincoln, Armstrong, et al.
Actually, I think you could probably exhume all the members of the ’27 Yanks and they’d still beat this current M’s squad.
While I could not bare to see it. I wonder what happens if the Marlins sweep us? What happens if we loose that series? Could they possibly fire more than one person? Vidro and Mac? Mac and Sexson? Sexson and Vidro? Bavasi?
I can hope.
Honestly, after getting swept by the worst NL team, it just doesn’t make sense for one guy to go.
Literally everything about this team is broken. There are a few individual pieces of value, but that’s only in context of the market. Letting go of one of the broken parts (again) is just like the Pentland firing…inconsequential.
Either everyone stays, or everyone goes.
Remember you can’t write “Suck” on the bag over your head … that would violate the Safeco Field code of conduct! I went to the saturday night game and actually considered wearing a bag. Maybe that should be the M’s next marketing night.
Say what you will about the Nats sucking, but their offense/defense is superior to ours at nearly every position:
C – Johjima/Burke vs. Flores/Nieves – (Flores is a future All-Star)
1B – Sexy/Cairo vs. Nick Johnson/Da Meat Hook – (Nick is made of glass and Da Meat Hook weighs 300 lbs . . . yet they are light years better than what we currently have)
2B – J-Lo vs. F.Lopez/Belliard (The Nats can’t find any takers for Belliard, who is the offensive equivalent of Jose Lopez, plus he plays better defense at 2B and he’s more versatile. In other words, Lopez has no trade value)
3B – Beltre vs. Zimmerman (I love Adrian Beltre, but there isn’t a GM in baseball who wouldn’t prefer Zimmerman)
SS – Yuni vs. Guzman/F.Lopez (Just like the Lopez vs. Belliard debate, except Guzman does everything better than Yuni.
LF – Raul vs. Kearns/Pena (As bad as Raul’s defense is, I would still take him over Kearns)
CF – Ichiro! vs. Milledge (Of course I take Ichiro, but it would be even better to play Milledge in LF and move Raul to DH)
RF – Wlad/Reed vs. Dukes (Dukes would be the 2nd or 3rd best player on the Mariners roster – the dude can flat out play ball. It’s just too bad he likes eating babies and stuff)
DH – Vidro vs. Snicker’s wrapper (If the wrapper smells like Snickers and has a bit of chocolate stuck to it . . . ah hell, I would take the wrapper regardless)
I Dunno what happen ^ed with the double quote there. But the Second paragraph in mine.
I was talking about the current roster, and not the potential roster… and you’d have to be nuts to take Guzman over Yuni.
…or Zimmerman over Beltre
I didn’t really set any parameters, but if I were a GM building a team using players from both teams, I would take Zimmerman in a flash, shoulder and all.
I would probably take Yuni over Guzman simply based on age, but I don’t know how you can defend Yuni as the better player. Yuni’s defense is currently in reverse and his best defensive season of 2006 has actually been topped by Guzman four times over the course of his career. Offensively, Yuni’s value is propped up by an empty batting average while Guzman has spent the last two sdeason hitting like the 2001 version of himself.
Also, 29(?) year old Adrian Beltre makes 30 times as much as 23 year old Ryan Zimmerman. The shoulder is a concern, though.
[ot, has its own thread now]