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		<title>By: Typical Idiot Fan</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/16/bavasi-firing-press-conference-post/comment-page-3/#comment-282398</link>
		<dc:creator>Typical Idiot Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Johjima at first

This doesn&#039;t bother me in the slightest.  It makes more sense then Reed there.  It allows Johjima to play first and have Clement fill out his maximum value at catcher.  Then, as needed, the two can flip and / or have Burke give them a day off.

I don&#039;t see an issue there.  The Reed idea was retarded on too many levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Johjima at first</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t bother me in the slightest.  It makes more sense then Reed there.  It allows Johjima to play first and have Clement fill out his maximum value at catcher.  Then, as needed, the two can flip and / or have Burke give them a day off.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see an issue there.  The Reed idea was retarded on too many levels.</p>
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		<title>By: scraps</title>
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		<dc:creator>scraps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that if you take all the defensive metric into account, Ichiro rates as most likely a good to very good center fielder; not among the very best, but certainly better than average.  Now some people are talking as though it&#039;s generally accepted that he&#039;s just average. Where is this coming from?  One metric, or has he actually declined in the consensus of metrics?

&lt;blockquote&gt;
He was asked if he had any regrets, any moves in hindsight that could have helped the team.

[. . .]

Bavasi feels Guillen would have helped some of the problems he’s seen in the clubhouse this season.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As bad as I feel for Bavasi, look at this: he didn&#039;t learn anything about his most basic mistakes. All the bad deals he made, and what does he regret? Letting Jose Guillen go. Why? Character/clubhouse issues.  He believes that this team really is good, and needs a Guillen type to light a fire. A guy who &quot;wants to win&quot; (and what a nice passing insult to all the other guys).

Seriously, this is sad. He is so wedded to what he &quot;knows&quot; that everything, positive or negative, is explained by that &quot;knowledge&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that if you take all the defensive metric into account, Ichiro rates as most likely a good to very good center fielder; not among the very best, but certainly better than average.  Now some people are talking as though it&#8217;s generally accepted that he&#8217;s just average. Where is this coming from?  One metric, or has he actually declined in the consensus of metrics?</p>
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He was asked if he had any regrets, any moves in hindsight that could have helped the team.</p>
<p>[. . .]</p>
<p>Bavasi feels Guillen would have helped some of the problems he’s seen in the clubhouse this season.
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<p>As bad as I feel for Bavasi, look at this: he didn&#8217;t learn anything about his most basic mistakes. All the bad deals he made, and what does he regret? Letting Jose Guillen go. Why? Character/clubhouse issues.  He believes that this team really is good, and needs a Guillen type to light a fire. A guy who &#8220;wants to win&#8221; (and what a nice passing insult to all the other guys).</p>
<p>Seriously, this is sad. He is so wedded to what he &#8220;knows&#8221; that everything, positive or negative, is explained by that &#8220;knowledge&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulMolitorCocktail</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulMolitorCocktail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Anybody have an idea on the timeline for hiring a new GM? Sometime between now and when all the trade deadline deals start?&lt;/em&gt;

The only GMs you can hire now are retreads who are out of work; think Dan Duquette.  If you want to hire a good GM, you have to wait until the end of the season; then you can go after Antonetti.

So - I&#039;d say they hire a GM by the All-Star break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Anybody have an idea on the timeline for hiring a new GM? Sometime between now and when all the trade deadline deals start?</em></p>
<p>The only GMs you can hire now are retreads who are out of work; think Dan Duquette.  If you want to hire a good GM, you have to wait until the end of the season; then you can go after Antonetti.</p>
<p>So &#8211; I&#8217;d say they hire a GM by the All-Star break.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 02:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve T, in #94 you said in part: &lt;blockquote&gt;JSA, I don’t think people believe Ichiro is outstanding defensively in center. He’s adequate there, nothing more. He’s outstanding in right (defensively).

But he IS an outstanding center fielder, because he’s so much better a hitter than other center fielders on average. And having him in center allows you to play someone else in right, which is much easier to play, and thus is more likely to be a prime hitter. (etc) Basically, Ichiro in CF is a 0 defender but a +++ hitter; in right he’s a + defender but a 0 or + hitter. You gain more by playing him in CF.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My contention is that Ichiro looks a little more mortal because he&#039;s doing just what you (or someone else) said earlier, cutting in front of Ibanez to catch fly balls -- trouble is, those fly balls are so far into LF that Ichiro is getting a bit too many miles on those legs, and he&#039;s getting a bit...tired...and it&#039;s only a bit under halfway through the season.  

That makes Ichiro a victim of statheads&#039; evaluations, unfortunately.   I felt sorry for the guy.  Moving him back to RF is a mercy.

Next up:  Between now and the All-Star Break all the casual fans who adore Raul Ibanez will have a chance to see a slightly less accomplished fielder in Jeremy Reed try to cover the same ground Ichiro did, and leave a huge Ibanez-gap in LCF that NO fielder will get to.  

Prediction:  Under the new GM management (he may not know what he&#039;s doing today, but I&#039;ll bet he works out a plan before the week is out), after the All-Star Break McLaren gets the OK to put Ibanez in at DH and bench Vidro.

I think they&#039;re just going to keep running Sexson out there until he either breaks a leg or the season ends, whichever comes first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve T, in #94 you said in part:<br />
<blockquote>JSA, I don’t think people believe Ichiro is outstanding defensively in center. He’s adequate there, nothing more. He’s outstanding in right (defensively).</p>
<p>But he IS an outstanding center fielder, because he’s so much better a hitter than other center fielders on average. And having him in center allows you to play someone else in right, which is much easier to play, and thus is more likely to be a prime hitter. (etc) Basically, Ichiro in CF is a 0 defender but a +++ hitter; in right he’s a + defender but a 0 or + hitter. You gain more by playing him in CF.</p></blockquote>
<p>My contention is that Ichiro looks a little more mortal because he&#8217;s doing just what you (or someone else) said earlier, cutting in front of Ibanez to catch fly balls &#8212; trouble is, those fly balls are so far into LF that Ichiro is getting a bit too many miles on those legs, and he&#8217;s getting a bit&#8230;tired&#8230;and it&#8217;s only a bit under halfway through the season.  </p>
<p>That makes Ichiro a victim of statheads&#8217; evaluations, unfortunately.   I felt sorry for the guy.  Moving him back to RF is a mercy.</p>
<p>Next up:  Between now and the All-Star Break all the casual fans who adore Raul Ibanez will have a chance to see a slightly less accomplished fielder in Jeremy Reed try to cover the same ground Ichiro did, and leave a huge Ibanez-gap in LCF that NO fielder will get to.  </p>
<p>Prediction:  Under the new GM management (he may not know what he&#8217;s doing today, but I&#8217;ll bet he works out a plan before the week is out), after the All-Star Break McLaren gets the OK to put Ibanez in at DH and bench Vidro.</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re just going to keep running Sexson out there until he either breaks a leg or the season ends, whichever comes first.</p>
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		<title>By: mln</title>
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		<dc:creator>mln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody have an idea on the timeline for hiring a new GM? Sometime between now and when all the trade deadline deals start?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody have an idea on the timeline for hiring a new GM? Sometime between now and when all the trade deadline deals start?</p>
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		<title>By: jlc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why release Sexson? So he doesn&#039;t use up any more Mariner resources, like hitting coach time. And doesn&#039;t take up a spot that could go to some untried youngster who could take a half season to show that he can stay here or isn&#039;t ready. Although the Mariners apparently can tell that kind of thing in less than 20 at bats.

But I&#039;d be happy if he just disappears into the dugout. I don&#039;t wish him any more embarrassment. Just want him gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why release Sexson? So he doesn&#8217;t use up any more Mariner resources, like hitting coach time. And doesn&#8217;t take up a spot that could go to some untried youngster who could take a half season to show that he can stay here or isn&#8217;t ready. Although the Mariners apparently can tell that kind of thing in less than 20 at bats.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d be happy if he just disappears into the dugout. I don&#8217;t wish him any more embarrassment. Just want him gone.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulMolitorCocktail</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulMolitorCocktail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s pretty amazing that he&#039;d come by answer questions, considering that he was outright fired (instead of the usual &quot;decided to resign for personal reasons.&quot;)

I actually am surprised that they didn&#039;t do the latter; firing is usually made public when you are throwing someone to the wolves.  

Personally I think they canned Bavasi because the FO wanted it to look like they were &quot;doing something&quot;, rather than realizing that the club wasn&#039;t moving in the right direction.  But that&#039;s just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s pretty amazing that he&#8217;d come by answer questions, considering that he was outright fired (instead of the usual &#8220;decided to resign for personal reasons.&#8221;)</p>
<p>I actually am surprised that they didn&#8217;t do the latter; firing is usually made public when you are throwing someone to the wolves.  </p>
<p>Personally I think they canned Bavasi because the FO wanted it to look like they were &#8220;doing something&#8221;, rather than realizing that the club wasn&#8217;t moving in the right direction.  But that&#8217;s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bavasi comes by the press room after the conference is over to answer questions. That strikes me as pretty incredible.  When I&#039;ve been fired, sticking around to answer questions has not been high on my list of things to do, and those didn&#039;t involve situation in which what I said might appear in a newspaper.  It also speaks to his relationship with the team and their confidence in him as a person that they would allow him to appear at team facilities in a press briefing after having just been fired.  In most situations organizations would be worrying about embarrassing or unpleasant situations that could develop in that scenario.

For whatever his limitations as a GM, he remains a fine person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bavasi comes by the press room after the conference is over to answer questions. That strikes me as pretty incredible.  When I&#8217;ve been fired, sticking around to answer questions has not been high on my list of things to do, and those didn&#8217;t involve situation in which what I said might appear in a newspaper.  It also speaks to his relationship with the team and their confidence in him as a person that they would allow him to appear at team facilities in a press briefing after having just been fired.  In most situations organizations would be worrying about embarrassing or unpleasant situations that could develop in that scenario.</p>
<p>For whatever his limitations as a GM, he remains a fine person.</p>
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		<title>By: gwangung</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwangung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s assuming your team can take advantage of the opportunity to put a hitter in right. We are not in that category.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This team can&#039;t even RECOGNIZE the opportunity.

And the more I hear, the more I think they&#039;re not going to in the near future...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That’s assuming your team can take advantage of the opportunity to put a hitter in right. We are not in that category.</p></blockquote>
<p>This team can&#8217;t even RECOGNIZE the opportunity.</p>
<p>And the more I hear, the more I think they&#8217;re not going to in the near future&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I was looking back at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/147452_mari08.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;articles&lt;/a&gt; from when Bavasi was hired, and we have 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
[Bavasi] cites San Francisco Giants GM Brian Sabean as a model, admiring Sabean&#039;s ability to carefully control the makeup of the clubhouse. Sabean values good people and hard workers but also keeps players with &quot;enough of a mean streak&quot; -- a trait some have said is missing in Seattle.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And apparently he&#039;s outdoing his model on putting together a team that sucks, too.  Though not by much (and if the Giants weren&#039;t at least as dysfunctional as the M&#039;s, Sabean would be long gone too).

&lt;i&gt;Besides, I thought Jeremy Reed was taking 1B practice.&lt;/i&gt;

That was last week. This week, it&#039;s &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/archives/141288.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Johjima&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt; that&#039;s taking 1B practice.  (No, I wish I was making that up.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I was looking back at the <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/147452_mari08.html" rel="nofollow">articles</a> from when Bavasi was hired, and we have </p>
<blockquote><p>
[Bavasi] cites San Francisco Giants GM Brian Sabean as a model, admiring Sabean&#8217;s ability to carefully control the makeup of the clubhouse. Sabean values good people and hard workers but also keeps players with &#8220;enough of a mean streak&#8221; &#8212; a trait some have said is missing in Seattle.
</p></blockquote>
<p>And apparently he&#8217;s outdoing his model on putting together a team that sucks, too.  Though not by much (and if the Giants weren&#8217;t at least as dysfunctional as the M&#8217;s, Sabean would be long gone too).</p>
<p><i>Besides, I thought Jeremy Reed was taking 1B practice.</i></p>
<p>That was last week. This week, it&#8217;s <b><a href="http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/archives/141288.asp" rel="nofollow">Johjima</a></b> that&#8217;s taking 1B practice.  (No, I wish I was making that up.)</p>
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