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	<title>Comments on: They&#8217;re tanking</title>
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		<title>By: zDawgg</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/17/theyre-tanking/comment-page-1/#comment-282856</link>
		<dc:creator>zDawgg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ichiro doesn&#039;t like CF, so he gets to go back to his old spot.  Fine.  But it is time to get the average up.

At least we don&#039;t have an NBA-style lottery draft.

Could you imagine sucking like this for 6 months and NOT getting the #1 pick?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ichiro doesn&#8217;t like CF, so he gets to go back to his old spot.  Fine.  But it is time to get the average up.</p>
<p>At least we don&#8217;t have an NBA-style lottery draft.</p>
<p>Could you imagine sucking like this for 6 months and NOT getting the #1 pick?</p>
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		<title>By: wabbles</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/17/theyre-tanking/comment-page-1/#comment-282793</link>
		<dc:creator>wabbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, this isn&#039;t the desperate act of a madman. A madman has a plan, however sick or twisted. The people making these lineup and roster moves have no plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, this isn&#8217;t the desperate act of a madman. A madman has a plan, however sick or twisted. The people making these lineup and roster moves have no plan.</p>
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		<title>By: DAMellen</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/17/theyre-tanking/comment-page-1/#comment-282648</link>
		<dc:creator>DAMellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the very least, it does seem like Wlad belonged in the minors while Clement deserves a legitimate shot in the majors.  If that means Raul plays left, then I&#039;m okay with that.  I&#039;d rather have Strasburg than a good team anyways.  As far as moving Ichiro to right, that is the desperate act of a madman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the very least, it does seem like Wlad belonged in the minors while Clement deserves a legitimate shot in the majors.  If that means Raul plays left, then I&#8217;m okay with that.  I&#8217;d rather have Strasburg than a good team anyways.  As far as moving Ichiro to right, that is the desperate act of a madman.</p>
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		<title>By: notanangrygradstudent</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/17/theyre-tanking/comment-page-1/#comment-282628</link>
		<dc:creator>notanangrygradstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The only thing missing from that quote is their notion that they can “teach” plate discipline to a roster of free-swinging hackers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Plate discipline&quot; to the M&#039;s means &quot;not striking out&quot;.  It does not mean &quot;not making outs&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The only thing missing from that quote is their notion that they can “teach” plate discipline to a roster of free-swinging hackers.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Plate discipline&#8221; to the M&#8217;s means &#8220;not striking out&#8221;.  It does not mean &#8220;not making outs&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: huhwhat</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/17/theyre-tanking/comment-page-1/#comment-282590</link>
		<dc:creator>huhwhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah if the M&#039;s don&#039;t take Strasburg, I&#039;m gonna go nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah if the M&#8217;s don&#8217;t take Strasburg, I&#8217;m gonna go nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisK</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh this is priceless. I&#039;m listening to an interview with Lee Elia and he throws out this beauty:

&quot;If a guy is a career .280 hitter, we certainly expect him to hit .280 for us.&quot;

That pretty much sums up the Mariners outdated philosophies in one fell swoop:

1. Batting average is the key hitting metric
2. They have no concept of performance regression over time
3. They prefer &#039;proven&#039; players over younger players every time

The only thing missing from that quote is their notion that they can &quot;teach&quot; plate discipline to a roster of free-swinging hackers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh this is priceless. I&#8217;m listening to an interview with Lee Elia and he throws out this beauty:</p>
<p>&#8220;If a guy is a career .280 hitter, we certainly expect him to hit .280 for us.&#8221;</p>
<p>That pretty much sums up the Mariners outdated philosophies in one fell swoop:</p>
<p>1. Batting average is the key hitting metric<br />
2. They have no concept of performance regression over time<br />
3. They prefer &#8216;proven&#8217; players over younger players every time</p>
<p>The only thing missing from that quote is their notion that they can &#8220;teach&#8221; plate discipline to a roster of free-swinging hackers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve T</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/17/theyre-tanking/comment-page-1/#comment-282577</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still agog over these putative &quot;sabermetricians&quot; who predicted 97 wins.

Is there any reason to think Sexson couldn&#039;t play SS? Vidro can throw the ball; I&#039;m sure he could become our closer. Morrow and RRS to the rotation NOW, no more wasting time with &quot;learning&quot; or &quot;coaching&quot;, Johjima to CF, Ibanez -- duh! Catcher! He used to be a catcher 15 years ago, right? Washburn can play 1B. Clement needs to sit on the bench and absorb scrappiness from Cairo or Willie while the other plays 2B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still agog over these putative &#8220;sabermetricians&#8221; who predicted 97 wins.</p>
<p>Is there any reason to think Sexson couldn&#8217;t play SS? Vidro can throw the ball; I&#8217;m sure he could become our closer. Morrow and RRS to the rotation NOW, no more wasting time with &#8220;learning&#8221; or &#8220;coaching&#8221;, Johjima to CF, Ibanez &#8212; duh! Catcher! He used to be a catcher 15 years ago, right? Washburn can play 1B. Clement needs to sit on the bench and absorb scrappiness from Cairo or Willie while the other plays 2B.</p>
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		<title>By: Hustl504</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hustl504</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will Strasburg have the veteran grit to come in right away and start?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Strasburg have the veteran grit to come in right away and start?</p>
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		<title>By: et_blankenship</title>
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		<dc:creator>et_blankenship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Who is Major Major Major Major?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Like MMMM, Bavasi was promoted to a post for which he was not qualified thanks to the name his father gave him, plus he just crawled out of the proverbial window without taking responsibility for anything.  Eventually, MMMM  exits the story but nobody knows if he is hiding by choice or if he was &quot;dissapeared.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Who is Major Major Major Major?</p></blockquote>
<p>Like MMMM, Bavasi was promoted to a post for which he was not qualified thanks to the name his father gave him, plus he just crawled out of the proverbial window without taking responsibility for anything.  Eventually, MMMM  exits the story but nobody knows if he is hiding by choice or if he was &#8220;dissapeared.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: edgar for mayor</title>
		<link>http://ussmariner.com/2008/06/17/theyre-tanking/comment-page-1/#comment-282546</link>
		<dc:creator>edgar for mayor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Strasburg is certainley an advantage to loosing as many games as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Strasburg is certainley an advantage to loosing as many games as possible.</p>
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