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Game 77, Mariners at Mets
DMZ · June 24, 2008 at 3:10 pm · Filed Under Mariners
4:10 our time. Dickey v Perez.
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On the plus side, David Wright is sitting tonight because Jerry Manuel is a legitimate lunatic. On the negative side, we’re the Seattle Mariners, so I don’t expect us to take advantage of his absence.
So I don’t think I followed the posts on previous Dickey games. What’s the consensus on why he’s bitten it since becoming a starter?
Also, my question yesterday about Ichiro’s BABIP got kinda overwhelmed by the grand slam and subsequent server meltage. Someone answered it with a comment about BABIP in speedy players who get a lot of hits vs non-speedy players who get a lot of hits, but I didn’t really follow the conclusion. Any thoughts?
If this were not a game thread, I would expect to see [ot] above. In fact, perhaps I will post all future comments as fake comment deletions.
[OT; really insightful, something we wish we'd all thought of, and we have to agree that Lauren is awesome in every way, but yeah, off-topic so we had to delete it. But man was it cool.]
[OT; something about how Lauren is completely full of herself.]
I have yet to see Dickey pitch, whether on TV or in real life, but I get to watch the game tonight. Yay, me.
Small sample sizes be damned. Against Perez:
Beltre: .400/.500/.600 (12 PA)
Vidro: .750/.750/1.000 (4 PA)
Ichiro: .444/.444/.444 (9 PA)
Bloomquist: .000/.333/.000 (3 PA)
Cairo: .333/.429/.833 (7 PA)
The rest of the active roster has not faced Perez.
This should produce an interesting lineup tonight, should Vidro lead off or bat fourth? (tongue firmly in cheek)
You realize that by doing that, you give us all full license to mess with your comments, right?
Well, yeah, but you could do that anyway, really.
If Riggleman says Vidro’s knee is “bad”, doesn’t that mean that he won’t be playing? I’m probably having wishful thinking, because we all know we can’t survive without the worst hitter in the American League batting cleanup for us, right?
Here’s hoping that Dickey’s knucleball knuckles tonight and he pitches a great game.
me, I just don’t even know how to go OT.
“”Jerry knows the game. I’ll get a blow and hopefully come back refreshed,” said the always diplomatic Wright.”
I’ve been thinking about doing that for weeks, Lauren. I have an unaccountable love for:
I still haven’t decided how best to do it, but I like your version.
nah, because according to Rigglemania it has been bad all season.
per Larry Stone, the bullpen is so depleted Dickey has to go at least 6-7 innings, and Washburn has volunteered to come out of the bullpen as its his throw day.
In all seriousness though, we’d prefer you not fake moderation comments. It makes things confusing.
It’s also specifically called out in the comment guidelines.
I won’t touch any of what happened so far, but please let’s not make that this week’s new joke.
Will do, cap’n. No more from me.
Now please to be answering my Dickey and Ichiro questions, stat!
Morrow available tonight. Yay (assuming we get ahead).
Any lineups yet?
I’m not sure there has been a consensus on what has happened with his knuckler as a starter. I think there was more generalized whining about the outcome, instead.
I can’t address BABIP because my brain shuts down when I start contemplating numbers.
Prediction:
Neither Perez or Dickey can escape the 3rd inning and a battle of the bullpens ensues with the score knotted at 23-23. With Seattle trailing 37-36 in the 9th inning, a limping Jose Vidro is called upon to pinch-hit, bad knee and all. It will be a true Kirk-Gibson-in-the-’88-World-Series moment, the only difference being Vidro’s mammoth shot will be rolling through the grass about 360 feet short of Gibson’s and result in a game-ending double play.
line up
The lineup looks decent. It sure feels strange to be pleasantly suprised by that. Not thrilled to have WFB in center, but if you are giong L/R it makes some sense.
I sure hope that Dickey pitches well tonight. I’ve been suprised by how he has been hit around in his starts.
something I noticed last night on the radioside– when Rizzs is doing play-by-play, Sims takes on an oddly-EdMcMahon persona, interjecting syncophantic laughs and the occasional “you are correct, sir!s”
huh, apparently Dickey has been talking to Charlie Hough, and Chrlie thinks he hasn’t been changing speeds the way he did when in the pen.
I just can’t do it……just cant……. better luck tomorrow
You kinda answered your own question. He figured Felix was woerthy of his best lineup, but the 6th starter on the worst team in baseball doesn’t merit it.
Or Wright really hates hitting against knucklers.
I think Blowers and Niehaus just talked about small sample size…
I expected someone to say “Pinch hit with Felix” by now.
Sac fly. Better than a K, anyway.
Can Felix PH right now?
Wilson just did
oye yuni why are you swining on such a pitch on 1-0…take a pitch…this kid hasn’t improved 1 bit in the last few years what a disapointment.
Dickey breezes through the first, making my “maybe the opponents are more prepared when they know they’re facing the knuckler” comment seem silly, but I’ll make it anyway.
Nice slide Boom Boom!
Well, as ill-advised as that was, I’ll take the free run.
“Two days in a row, outstanding hustle by Bloomquist”.
The Dave Sims version of damning with faint praise.
Seems to me the Mariners have had some real breaks on this road trip, due to baaaad defense.
THAT’S how to slide into home when the catcher is out into the diamond – screw that reaching with your hand as you go by; scissor your legs and clip it with your toe. You touch the plate sooner and expose less of yourself to the tag.
Can someone please explain why you would have Ichiro! sacrifice with two on and one out?
Ugh, ESPN GameCast seems to be having trouble. Either that or it’s my computer.
Wilson, no, Willie busted his tail to third because it might go through.
36, he was bunting for a hit.
39, Got it, thanks. They called it a “sacrifice” on Gamecast.
Yes, no sac, he was bunting for a hit.
Yeah, he still gets a sacrifice though cause he moved the runners up.
Knuckleballers harness randomness. That means they’re randomly going to have really good innings, and really bad innings. Sometimes they’ll get a string of really good innings, and thus they’ll have a really good game. Sometimes the opposite occurs. Unfortunately, that’s not the only factor: the opposing lineup isn’t random (at least not when someone other than McLaren is filling out the lineup card) and they’re trying to skew the results against the knuckleballer. The more IP, the more chances for them to do damage.
And of course every pitch isn’t a knuckleball, and some knuckleballers are better than others. Plus you have the negatives, like wild pitches with men on base.
Ultimately, as much as I love the idea of having a starting knuckleballer, I fear Dickey just isn’t all that good.
37, its gamecast
Geez, can we play the Mets more often please?
Johjima just drove in Sexson, I need to reevaluate everything I thought was true.
Kenji! Hurrah!
Pull Power Kenji!!!
45 — Please and can the start Perez every time…
Can somebody PLEASE tell Perez to fix his shirt tag?!? I’m rather anal about those sort of things (and many others)…It’s really bothering me.
Weren’t the Mets the other team that Kenji visited before signing with the M’s originally?
Game 77, so we’re basically halfway through, and Kenji just got his 19th RBI. With a little luck, he might get 40 for the year.
Kenji’ed!
Mets fans don’t believe in bottling up their feelings, do they?
Wow Perez, that definitely shows some hustle up the line there.
Hehe…Gameday thinks Dickey’s cheese is a changeup. What’s it make of Moyer’s?
I gave up on gamecast (ESPN) a while ago. When I’m stuck at work during games (like now), if I have time to watch, I use the yahoo gamechannel. It seems to be more reliable.
And am I seeing this correctly?
5 – 0 after 3?
Suhwheeet!
Can Felix PH right now?
fun fact. Felix’s OPS+ for the season is 1208.
That is twelve hundred.
Now THAT is a creative way to avoid striking out…
Did anyone see Beltran get tossed there?
That was som BS by the ump. No question about it.
sorry, “some.”
Run Runge…
27 & 28: I heard Wilson say that, too…which is about the funniest thing I’ve ever heard from him out of the broadcast booth.
BTW, good to see ya back on here, Ham…hadn’t seen ya on here for a while after that tornado went thru your neck of the woods and was hoping all was OK.
Manuel was standing to close…umpire was justified;Manuel was in umps space.
I was on a month long road trip, good times not having to watch the Mariners dig the hole deeper. Easiest way to get rid of stress is not know who the M’s are losing to.
Good time to get back with last night and the way things are going though.
#56 High cheese probably. I missed the first 4 innings, please tell me The Streak is alive. Go Willy!
Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuul.
Sims, I know you’re a Mets fan and all, but… sometimes when you’re doing the game and you confuse the Mets with the M’s when something good happens, well, it makes me sad.
What the heck Beltre? That’s a triple if you touch it.
Question to Adrian Beltre…uh, why were you throwing your glove at the ball just now?
The M’s have scored a whole week’s worth of runs in this one.
Once in awhile Belte does something that just… well, what can you say?
Assuming Dickey’s improvement tonight is vaguely related to Hough’s advice on varying the speed on his pitches a bit, is the knuckler so arcane this isn’t something Stottlemyre would know, too?
Evidence that Perez is having a poor night:
That was Ibanez’ first homer against a LHP this year.
That was Kenji’s third homer this year.
GameCast appears to be operational again. Yay!
Good point on Mel S…though he wasn’t a knuckleballer himself, he certainly remembers a few of them from back in his day.
I’m not sure you can use the name of an M’s coach and the word “know” in the same sentence.
That would rank right up there with DMZ’s “brace of champaign” and “autogyro”.
dunno, the knuckleballers seem to think the only one who really understands is another knuckler– see Wake and Dickey’s meeting last time the Sox came to town.
entertaining to hear Dan on the subject of wriggling around the catcher to tag the base; he was surprisingly good at that for such a tall guy
Alright, RA!!
can we go back to playing National League rules in our ballpark?
We realy do need to get moved over to the NL.
I almost wish that Beltre had touched the ball with his thrown glove just to see how GameCast would post the play.
Gritty walk. Gritty advance to third.
Why does every announcer feel compelled to use the phrase “getting a chance” when they are talking about WFB? Why would they not assume that if a player has over 1100 AB’s in the Majors that he’s past the “chance” stage?
Really!
I don’t think Beltre was throwing his glove AT the ball. He just tossed it up because…well, he’s Beltre and he does that kind of stuff. The ball was well past him when he tossed it.
I’ve been trying to figure out just why Rizzs so loves Willie B.
I think it is because he is the closest that the Ms have to a scrappy little infielder, the kind of player Rizzs loves best, having been one himself.
Im really happy with the way Lopez is hitting this year, such an improvment to last year. I hope he can keep it up after the break, that would be some good light on a very down year.
On that walk, Dickey seemed to think for a minute before heading over to third.
Or maybe he is just enjoying being on the bases, and he wants to remember the experience.
Seriously, who the heck are these guys?!?
Wow!!
Just tuned in..I’m lovin’ this!!
Raul!!
At this point in the season, since we probably have no chance of anything, its going to be fun to try and play spoiler against the teams trying to make some sort of playoff run/appearance.
C’mon, Richie — work on that trade value.
Seriously, who the heck are these guys?!?
And what did they do with the Mariners?
Get a grip Sims…
excuse, me?
I seem to have mislaid my baseball team.
I liked Jim Caple’s take on Bloomquist last week…
He also does a good job calling out Silva, Washout, and Batista as the source of the M’s woes – and wisely leaves Beltre off the list of big FA busts.
10 Runs???!!!??? I don’t even know what to think at this point.
That 2nd strike looked so far outside on game cast…what did you guys see?
For that half inning I forgot about the whole season…It was kinda nice
Willie Bloomquist is supposed to be a utility player not an everyday player…and lately he’s playing better than a lot of our starters. I would rather have Willie on this team than Sexson, Vidro, Washburn, Batista and a few others…
But I’m not a professional sports writer so what do I know…
Go M’s!!
…….to bad the m’s can not play in the NL every year………
Nice play AB!!
I don’t know the exact date, but WFB’s last extra base hit was a double he hit in July of last season.
So, can he make it to a one year mark?
What up with the “this is Dan Wilson” thing ever 5 minutes?
I Bloomquist dammit quit hitting.
Dickey = 2nd coming of Phil Niekro
no, seriously
I wonder how much pressure is taken off, knowing they are out of the race and it’s only June?
The Mets have only had one walk against Dickey.
That’s gotta be partly a large strike zone, and partly good control, if it is possible to use the phrase good control when talking about a knuckleballer.
enough pressure to make this game today look easy.
RA Dickey does a Richie…
I wonder how much pressure is taken off, knowing they are out of the race and it’s only June?
Not much, for many of them, since they could be traded or relased. That would tend to keep some pressure on.
Dickey should throw his knuckleball more like he runs.
Our pitchers are apparently the missing link in our offensive woes, just because the M’s are in the AL, do we have to use a DH?
Mariners FO got lucky with the Riggleman move. They made it appear as though they knew what they were doing when they said he might turn the team around.
It’s nice to see the M’s beating up on someone for a change, but, especially with Beltran gone, the Mets lineup tonight really looks like a spring training split-squad team. Besides Reyes, who in tonight’s game is a real major-leaguer? Trot Nixon? The re-animated corpse of Carlos Delgado? We complain about Vidro and Cairo, but Luis Castillo and Fernando Tatis in the same lineup?
I’m glad I’m not a Mets fan tonight.
wait, was ichiro taken out of the lineup?
I figure they are “showcasing” us our choice of DH’s for next year.
Tatis? Nah, too young.
Marlon Anderson? Only makes a million a year, we need a more expensive DH.
Easley? Bingo! Experienced second-baseman, Perfect.
I think Reed went into RF for Ichiro. I’m not sure they mentioned it on TV.
The Nationals are creeping us behind us in the loss column. 48
don’t forget Damion Easley
actually, I think its creeping down in front of us…
We’re about to rear end them.
Mom?
the Mets followed me home, can I keep ‘em?
Huh????
WFB…stop looking like a valuable player will you?
We’ll never get him out of the lineup now.
Gawd that Bloomquist is horrible..blah blah blah
Nice catch…
Uh, Rizzs never played ball professionally, at least not for an MLB team or affiliate.
This was a use of Cairo of which I approve. No use putting Beltre at risk in a blowout (memories of Cleveland 2001, get away from me).
Extra bases for Richie! The sky is falling!
What is this? A Extra base hit?
Ah, Richie…showing off that great blowout power some more!
Yuni refuses to join the hit parade.
The Mets announcer is talking about his dog.
What is the prognosis update on Felix today?
131-Now he knows how the Mariners announcers feel…
Good game for Kenji, that’s nice to see. Still hoping he’s having an off year and not reaching the end of his career. Although I’d rather be seeing him at DH or 1B.
they said at the start of the telicast that the king didn’t look good today. fyi i think i would have a better chance hitting than lowe did.
Willie is now tied for 17th on the “most AB to start a season without an XBH” list with 74.
WE WINNNNNN OMG 2 IN A ROW!
That was fun…
I forgot all about the dismal season we’re having and the injury to Felix and that our DH is a guy named Vidro and…
*sigh*
Gosh, how low must the Mets feel these days…getting completely shut down two games in a row at home by the M’s!
Man Beltre just sounded like a total jerk about Felix’s homer run. Man. Haha
I wonder if it feels to the mets the same to the baltimore ravens when they got beat by the dolphins, maybe if we sweep them tomorrow then that sort of feeling will set it
Nice game Boom Boom!
Your NL ticket is waiting @ gate 7-31.
Best wishes!
Dad
I couldn’t really decide which comment to leave, so…
A) The Mariner’s are playing a lot better lately.
B) Regardless of their record, games like this are a lot of fun to watch.
C) Wow, the Mets sure do suck.
D) How much of this is because of the manager change? Still really early, but it’s looking like a diffrent team right now.
E) YAY!!! Contract extensions for everyone!!! (Just kidding, but their trade values are looking a little better maybe)
I can’t believe that ESPN has not started live in-game coverage of Willie’s every at bat yet. This is a travesty that Willie’s pursuit of baseball history and immortality is going unnoticed.
Seriously, who is cooking up the headlines over on the M’s site?
and…
or from the other day…
They’re really reaching for the word-play over there. It’s embarrassing.
145-So true.
The 2nd one is especially awful.
Gosh, how low must the Mets feel these days…getting completely shut down two games in a row at home by the M’s!
Probably about like the Yankees feel, getting walloped 12-5 by the lowly Pirates. I kind of wish I was in NY tonight to listen to WFAN. Wait, no I don’t.
I can’t believe that ESPN has not started live in-game coverage of Willie’s every at bat yet. This is a travesty that Willie’s pursuit of baseball history and immortality is going unnoticed.
More East Coast media bais at work, clearly. They’re also ignoring Jose Guillen’s walkless streak. I guess they’re just too busy monitoring Schilling shoulder surgery and the shattered bats controversy.
It’s high comedy reading the comments from Mets fans, who sound exactly like M’s fans (only the players’ names are different; the appeal to ownership to clean house, from the overpaid/underachieving 1B to the GM, is the same)
I like the handle “Brewski_McChug.”
I just gave them some words of encouragement over there. I think they need it after getting pasted these last two games.
no, no, he didn’t. He was (IIRC) a walk-on at college. It just heightens his appreciation for the little guys.
Hey look willie made the top 10 plays on espn tonight lol
Congrats for making ESPN, Willie Ballgame!
Willie making SportsCenter while heading toward the record for AB without an XBH is proof of Bill James’s point about how talent in professional baseball is the left-hand slice of a bell curve, meaning that the lower you go on the scale, the more players there are who can do what you do. So you go from unique players, like Bonds or Ichiro or the Big Unit, to good but not unique players like Beltre or Buhner to guys with some value to guys like Willie who are a dime a dozen, but won’t hit .000 and will make plays that the ordinary duffer will never be able to make in the field. There are 200 players in AAA and 150 players in AA who could do what Willie does, but they aren’t making his salary, let along major league minimum.
Good luck in the NL next year, Willie.
I’m sorry, but how is Willie being on SportsCenter proof of Bill James’s point?
And it isn’t the right-hand side of the bell-curve, with higher value on the far right?
gotta love the NY Post front-page headline on today’s game story:
Amazin’ Embarrassment
NY Daily News — you can’t beat these NY baseball beat writers for colorful writing, especially when they get to tee off on the Mets losing to the Ms:
Jerry Manuel gets ejected as Mets get blown out by lowly Mariners
By PETER BOTTE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Even before he was named manager of the Mets last week, Jerry Manuel already had been ejected from more games this season than Willie Randolph.
But Manuel went all “gangsta” for the first time as skipper Tuesday night, getting tossed – along with center fielder Carlos Beltran – for arguing balls and strikes in the fourth inning of the Mets’ latest unwatchable loss, 11-0, to the Mariners, before yet another hostile crowd at Shea.
Manuel, who appeared to be bumped by home-plate umpire Brian Runge before truly earning his ejection, clearly had no need to stick around to see the final five innings of his team’s second straight deplorable loss at home to Seattle, which still sports the worst record in baseball (28-49).
He already had witnessed enough of the shaky pitching and offensive lethargy that contributed to Randolph’s axing last week as the Mets fell to 3-4 under Manuel and 37-39 overall. They have a chance to ignominiously be swept by the Mariners in tonight’s series finale with a four-game series against the Yankees looming this weekend. …
Ummmm…. what does it mean to say
because that seems awfully racist.
158- I believe that Mr. Peter Botte is an avid fan of Don Imus.
Not to mention irrelevant. That was 100% the Umpires doing, Manuel was walking away when the umpire bumped him.
What is the likeliness that the MLB takes action against the umpire, such as they did in the Bradley incident.
The “gangsta” comment definitely comes across poorly, but it’s surely based on this quote from Manuel about keeping Jose Reyes in line after Reyes kind of showed him up a bit by initially refusing to leave a game:
“Next time he does that I’m going to get my blade out and cut him. I’m a gangster. You go gangster on me, I’m going to have to get you. You do that again, I’m going to cut you right on the field.”
Ooooooooooooooooh. Still, that’s a strange way to reference that, given the circumstances.
Forget about grit, chemistry, or proven veteranness. That’s what the Mariners need–more Gangsta!
Mariner coaches need to start throwing gang signs like nobody’s business.
woooo teal and blue on white or grey great gangsta colors. : )
oh, yeah.
Maybe when Manuel walks out of the dugout to argue a call, his song is “damn it feels good to be a gangsta…”