Comments on: A’s Trade Harden http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/ Seattle Mariners and general baseball discussion with David Cameron and Derek Zumsteg Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:00:02 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: scott19 http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/comment-page-1/#comment-288523 scott19 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:38:01 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5458#comment-288523 <blockquote>Mr. Sports Talk Radio Host</blockquote> Uh-oh...I feel a Bud Light ad coming on... REAL MEN OF GENIUS...Yes, here's to you, Mr. Sports Talk Radio Host (chanted in background)...You sit behind the console at that big-stick 50k watt radio station...spouting the most obvious pablum puke over a 300-mile radius...never once bothering to <strong>really</strong> get all sides of the story! :)

Mr. Sports Talk Radio Host

Uh-oh…I feel a Bud Light ad coming on…

REAL MEN OF GENIUS…Yes, here’s to you, Mr. Sports Talk Radio Host (chanted in background)…You sit behind the console at that big-stick 50k watt radio station…spouting the most obvious pablum puke over a 300-mile radius…never once bothering to really get all sides of the story! :)

]]> By: qwerty http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/comment-page-1/#comment-288512 qwerty Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:57:59 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5458#comment-288512 With the NL Central grabbing Starting pitching. Does that mean STL is a player for Bedard? Rasmus for Bedard straight up sounds good to me.... With the NL Central grabbing Starting pitching. Does that mean STL is a player for Bedard? Rasmus for Bedard straight up sounds good to me….

]]> By: wily mo http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/comment-page-1/#comment-288487 wily mo Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:26:18 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5458#comment-288487 yeah, i don't buy the comparison. for years i've seen people talk up bedard's low inning counts and supposed injury-proneness, but since he had tommy john back in 03 it really hasn't been arm problems. knee, hip, back, oblique - harden's shoulder goes out every ten starts. there's a massive difference between a pitcher who gets body injuries and a pitcher with chronic arm problems. granted, bedard now has a sore shoulder. but as of the offseason, there was really no particular reason to worry about him - it'd been years since he had a real arm problem, no particular mechanical red flags. yet i even saw a couple of fantasy sources outright misreport his 07-ending oblique pull as a "shoulder problem". i feel the same way about ben sheets - people lump him in with prior and harden, but ear infections and hamstring pulls just aren't the same animal as a grinding sensation in your rotator cuff. yeah, i don’t buy the comparison. for years i’ve seen people talk up bedard’s low inning counts and supposed injury-proneness, but since he had tommy john back in 03 it really hasn’t been arm problems. knee, hip, back, oblique – harden’s shoulder goes out every ten starts. there’s a massive difference between a pitcher who gets body injuries and a pitcher with chronic arm problems.

granted, bedard now has a sore shoulder. but as of the offseason, there was really no particular reason to worry about him – it’d been years since he had a real arm problem, no particular mechanical red flags. yet i even saw a couple of fantasy sources outright misreport his 07-ending oblique pull as a “shoulder problem”.

i feel the same way about ben sheets – people lump him in with prior and harden, but ear infections and hamstring pulls just aren’t the same animal as a grinding sensation in your rotator cuff.

]]> By: smb http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/comment-page-1/#comment-288446 smb Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:07:07 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5458#comment-288446 Anyone else a little surprised the Cubs would trade for Harden after dealing with Prior's injuries for so long? Seems eerily similar, terrific pitcher who can't seem to stay healthy. I hope he stays healthy for the Cubs...he is fun to watch when healthy. Anyone else a little surprised the Cubs would trade for Harden after dealing with Prior’s injuries for so long? Seems eerily similar, terrific pitcher who can’t seem to stay healthy. I hope he stays healthy for the Cubs…he is fun to watch when healthy.

]]> By: Dave in Palo Alto http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/comment-page-1/#comment-288413 Dave in Palo Alto Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:13:38 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5458#comment-288413 I find it a strange concept that a questionable trade is okay because fan support is lacking. I find it a strange concept that a questionable trade is okay because fan support is lacking.

]]> By: PaulMolitorCocktail http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/comment-page-1/#comment-288408 PaulMolitorCocktail Wed, 09 Jul 2008 02:07:12 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5458#comment-288408 Is Bedard going to be worse than the Slocumb trade? Dave/DMZ, there's an idea... worst Ms trades ever! Is Bedard going to be worse than the Slocumb trade?

Dave/DMZ, there’s an idea… worst Ms trades ever!

]]> By: SequimRealEstate http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/comment-page-1/#comment-288406 SequimRealEstate Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:56:37 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5458#comment-288406 [this comment makes no sense] [this comment makes no sense]

]]> By: bakomariner http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/comment-page-1/#comment-288400 bakomariner Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:08:17 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5458#comment-288400 Preach on shortbus! Preach on shortbus!

]]> By: shortbus http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/comment-page-1/#comment-288399 shortbus Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:05:42 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5458#comment-288399 #27 And yet you still hear the local media claiming that "everyone thought the deal looked good" when it happened. Yes, everyone YOU talked to (Mike Gastineau, Mitch Levy, Softy Mahler, et. al.) thought it looked good. But had any of you bothered to spend your time mucking around on the blogs (eeeewwww) you'd have found dozens of informed people who HATED the deal. And the deal has failed for many of the reasons those dozens of people mentioned: Bedard is injury prone: CHECK Adam Jones and George Sherrill are guys who are going to really help the team THIS YEAR: CHECK The team is NOT one pitcher away from contending (especially when you take away Jones and Sherrill): CHECK You won't be able to adequately replace Jones on short notice: CHECK This was all known by people who get paid nothing to follow baseball. If you, Mr. Sports Talk Radio Host, or Baseball Beat Reporter, can't find and reflect those doubts to your listeners when they are freely available to you...you're paid exactly why? #27 And yet you still hear the local media claiming that “everyone thought the deal looked good” when it happened. Yes, everyone YOU talked to (Mike Gastineau, Mitch Levy, Softy Mahler, et. al.) thought it looked good. But had any of you bothered to spend your time mucking around on the blogs (eeeewwww) you’d have found dozens of informed people who HATED the deal. And the deal has failed for many of the reasons those dozens of people mentioned:

Bedard is injury prone: CHECK
Adam Jones and George Sherrill are guys who are going to really help the team THIS YEAR: CHECK
The team is NOT one pitcher away from contending (especially when you take away Jones and Sherrill): CHECK
You won’t be able to adequately replace Jones on short notice: CHECK

This was all known by people who get paid nothing to follow baseball. If you, Mr. Sports Talk Radio Host, or Baseball Beat Reporter, can’t find and reflect those doubts to your listeners when they are freely available to you…you’re paid exactly why?

]]> By: Jim_H http://ussmariner.com/2008/07/08/as-trade-harden/comment-page-1/#comment-288398 Jim_H Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:03:24 +0000 http://ussmariner.com/?p=5458#comment-288398 Maybe the A's know something about Harden that we don't, and are dumping him before it becomes a big issue? Maybe the A’s know something about Harden that we don’t, and are dumping him before it becomes a big issue?

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